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Q - 07 Apr 2004 22:43 GMT
Ok pretty gruesome sites.Yikes!

   Food for thought. He's a maniac though! Sneak attacks on everybodies
feet not to mention what our furniture, drapes etc will probably look like
in a year.
   I've been attempting operate conditioning with a water bottle and a
noisemaker (can full of pennies) , but it doesn't appear to be having much
effect . He has a 2 ft and a 3 ft stratching post that are regularly
sprinkled with cat nip. He pays them the same amount of attention that he
does the forbidden objects.He's strictly an indoor cat and unless he pulls a
"Houdini" will remain so.
   I noticed at the vet they had these "falsies" for lack of a better term.
Little glue on covers for his claws. Anyone have any experiance with these?
Are they effective or just a gimmick?
   As much as I appreciate the responses , I and my family are the ones
that have to live with my cat and while the sites I was directed to were
informative and a tad shocking I am still leaning towards having it done.
Da_Missus - 07 Apr 2004 22:48 GMT
> Ok pretty gruesome sites.Yikes!
>
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> that have to live with my cat and while the sites I was directed to were
> informative and a tad shocking I am still leaning towards having it done.

I used those covers for my oldest cat, Cricket, because she was also
scratching a lot. They're called "Soft Paws" as I remember it. Overall I
liked them, but the first time I used them, I wasn't putting enough glue in
so they were falling off. The next couple of times were ok. By the last
time, both me and Cricket were pros and she grew out of it. The key is
rewarding your cat when they scratch properly, and when you see him
scratching stuff you don't want him to, say NO firmly, pick him up and bring
him over to his scratching post. Just wondering, what material is used on
it? Carpet? Maybe your cat might like sisal more. Both of mine do, and they
never bothered with the carpet one I had.
Q - 07 Apr 2004 22:53 GMT
> > Ok pretty gruesome sites.Yikes!
> >
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> it? Carpet? Maybe your cat might like sisal more. Both of mine do, and they
> never bothered with the carpet one I had.

Ok time to reach for the dictonary: Sisal????
Da_Missus - 07 Apr 2004 23:01 GMT
> > > Ok pretty gruesome sites.Yikes!
> > >
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>
> Ok time to reach for the dictonary: Sisal????

Sisal is a type of rope that is recommended for cats to scratch. It's pretty
inexpensive and readily available. It comes in 1/8" and 1/4" as far as I
know, and it lasts for a pretty long time and discourages generalized
scratching. Sisal rope isn't like anything else you'd have in your house,
unlike the carpet scratching posts, which are well... carpet!

Give it a shot. You should be able to replace the carpet with sisal rope
with little effort or cost. At least give the poor little guy a chance to
learn how to scratch properly :-)
JoJo - 08 Apr 2004 04:17 GMT
Why is it when I tell my cats "no" firmly they seem to want to stick their
tongue out at me?  <smile>  At least the dogs know when I mean business,
cats just seem to laugh at me.

JoJo

> > Ok pretty gruesome sites.Yikes!
> >
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> it? Carpet? Maybe your cat might like sisal more. Both of mine do, and they
> never bothered with the carpet one I had.
Victor Martinez - 08 Apr 2004 14:01 GMT
> Why is it when I tell my cats "no" firmly they seem to want to stick their
> tongue out at me?  <smile>  At least the dogs know when I mean business,
> cats just seem to laugh at me.

You need to be persistent. Cats are not the docile critters eager to
please that dogs are. Cats do not see us as boss, they see us as their
equals or their inferiors (sometimes...) All our cats know what NO
means, and they also know what they're not supposed to do. They will
stop doing it 99% of the time when we call them on it. However, they are
stubborn critters... and wouldn't have them any other way.

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Gee - 07 Apr 2004 23:29 GMT
> Ok pretty gruesome sites.Yikes!
> I am still leaning towards having it done.

Hi Q,

I really hope you'll leave your cat's claws where they should be and try
some other methods. I have a few suggestions you may wanna try
1. Your cat is still only a kitten and WILL calm down very soon and stop
being a "maniac". In fact if there is a suggestion I can give is this: get a
video camera and capture this crazy moments, becuase they go away only too
fast, and soon you'll start missing it. So, maybe in a year, you will want
him to be more of a baby he is now.
2.Get a pair of cat-scissors and get vet to show you how to cut his nails
yourself. I always do that to 4 of mine. Always give him a treat afterwards
so he associate teh cutting of nails with something nice and doesn;t fight
you off. Basically don;t just cut them off anywhere as cat nails have the
blood vain protruding up to about half of the nail, so you must cut the nail
only up to that blood vain or the nail will bleed and hurt. So just ask the
vet to show it to you once, it;s not too difficult to see the vain.
3.To prevent him from scratching other things then a scratching post, try
placing some regular kitchen aluminum foil on the items he tends to go for.
Even for a few days only. Most cats are terrified of aluminium foil, and if
he realises it's there he will hopefully abandon the items and concentrate
more on scratch post.
4. Try sprayin some clear vinegar/lemon juice on the other items. Cats
usually hate the smell of both. Bare in mind you might not like the smell
either :)
5.Even better, buy some double sided selotape and stick it on to the
bed/other items then hide and watch. The cat will be most upset to feel the
selotape on its paws, and should;nt go back there. Give a few days though to
create the negative association
6. Place the current scratching posts in a place he likes to scratch the
most.
7. Buy another scratching post with the baove mantioned sisal rope on it
already.Cats just seem to know they love it and go for it.
8. If he is scratching/biting humans, simply scream when he does it. Really,
scream as loud as you can, in a high pitched voice, cos cats hate it as it
is far too loud and noisy for their ever-amazing hearing sense. It will take
less then a week to create negative association of cat bite=scream he hates
and he will stop doing it. All mine did and fast.

Please don;t declaw the poor baby, he may be left in pain for the rest of
his life, or he may get some complication and die and that is surely not
worth some peace of furniture. Furniture can be replaced, our babies cannot.
I know that only too well since my QT got run over. I'd give anything to
have him back. Anything...

Please please please reconsider.

Best wishes and have many happy years together

Gee, Tiara, Shadow, Tigger and Charlie
with QT in our hearts
Q - 08 Apr 2004 02:12 GMT
> > Ok pretty gruesome sites.Yikes!
> > I am still leaning towards having it done.
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> Gee, Tiara, Shadow, Tigger and Charlie
> with QT in our hearts

Wow what great ideas. Thank you. The scales are tipping...
Victor Martinez - 08 Apr 2004 03:55 GMT
> effect . He has a 2 ft and a 3 ft stratching post that are regularly
> sprinkled with cat nip. He pays them the same amount of attention that he

Only one? That's your first problem. You need to have many scratching
posts, preferably of different materials (carpet, sissal rope,
cardboard) so that you cat can find what he likes and use it.
Second, it is possible to train a cat. It takes time and you have to be
constant. Praise the cat when it scratches on his furniture, say a loud
"NO!" when he does it to yours, then move him to his furniture and
praise him there.
We have seven indoor-only cats and all our furniture is in great shape.
They have dozens of scratching posts all over the house and they never
mess with our stuff.

>     As much as I appreciate the responses , I and my family are the ones
> that have to live with my cat and while the sites I was directed to were
> informative and a tad shocking I am still leaning towards having it done.

Why not try training him first? Declawing is a horrible procedure,
imagine having your fingers cut off at the 1st knuckle.

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Q - 08 Apr 2004 03:57 GMT
> > effect . He has a 2 ft and a 3 ft stratching post that are regularly
> > sprinkled with cat nip. He pays them the same amount of attention that he
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> Why not try training him first? Declawing is a horrible procedure,
> imagine having your fingers cut off at the 1st knuckle.

Point taken
Mmhsb - 08 Apr 2004 08:28 GMT
An effective & harmless cat training method is using a water spray. It
insults them & quickly stop- when they see you pick up the spray bottle.
I've tried it all, this is effective & best training method as it always
works & they quickly learn to avoid the spray. An insult far better than
other methods, no pain & easy & free!

> > > effect . He has a 2 ft and a 3 ft stratching post that are regularly
> > > sprinkled with cat nip. He pays them the same amount of attention that
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>
> Point taken
rpl - 08 Apr 2004 08:44 GMT
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> Why not try training him first? Declawing is a horrible procedure,
> imagine having your fingers cut off at the 1st knuckle.

Even if they could do it without actually amputating the cat's fingers
,the claws are how a cat grasps things, keeps from falling off of things
in an emergency, and they're expressive... if I play with one of my cats
she bats my hand, if she doesn't want to play, the claws come out just
enough to scrape but not scratch; at other times to get my attention
she'll step on my foot and stick a claw out. The cats occasionally stick
their claws into the furniture to stretch; no damage is done; it's the
scratching post and a wooden post outside that gets the "treatment".

pat
NobodyMan - 08 Apr 2004 23:59 GMT
>Even if they could do it without actually amputating the cat's fingers
>,the claws are how a cat grasps things, keeps from falling off of things
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>their claws into the furniture to stretch; no damage is done; it's the
>scratching post and a wooden post outside that gets the "treatment".

The last several cats my parents have had were all declawed.  These
were cats that spent most of their time inside, but a decent amount
outside as well, especially in the summer.  None of them ever suffered
from not having their front claws (the rear claws were left intact).
In fact, a few were mighty hunters even with no front claws, brining
home fresh food on a regular basis.

I've never declawed any of my cats - the procedure sounds painful to
me, and frankly, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to do it (and I
don't) - but front claws aren't the necessity that everyone seems to
think.

And for the record, I stand against declawing cats.  Sometimes I wish
my new 1 year old was declawed, but I would never subject it to him.
Blondie - 12 Apr 2004 00:47 GMT
Nobodyman sucked a cock and then spit this out:
   
> > And for the record, I stand against declawing cats.  Sometimes I wish
> my new 1 year old was declawed, but I would never subject it to him.

Take a guranteed-never-dull Ginsu knife then substantiate a 45 degree
angle, raise the blade and commence chopping starting at the 3rd
vertabrea and never look back till you reach the furry padded paws,
wipe the blood off your smiling face then masturbate profusely. Job
well done!!

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