Cat Forum / General Topics / April 2004
Neutering Question
|
|
Thread rating:  |
Q - 07 Apr 2004 21:04 GMT Hello All:
My cat is approaching the 5 month mark , is it too early for the snip? Last time he was in at the vet she said his testes were fully decended and in a month ( now) it would probably be time. Also are there any detriments to waiting a month or so? Once bad behavior is learned ie urine marking I imagine that it can't be unlearned. He's not displaying any unwanted behavior yet. The only reason that I want to wait is financial , I want to get his claws and microchip done at the same time. She said not only is it cheaper in one visit but safer for the animal as well. ?
Orchid - 07 Apr 2004 21:27 GMT >Hello All: > > My cat is approaching the 5 month mark , is it too early for the snip? Not at all. Kittens can be and are done as early as 8 weeks.
>Last time he was in at the vet she said his testes were fully decended and >in a month ( now) it would probably be time. > Also are there any detriments to waiting a month or so? Once bad >behavior is learned ie urine marking I imagine that it can't be unlearned. >He's not displaying any unwanted behavior yet. Once a cat starts spryaing, it's very difficult to get him to stop, neutered or no. IMO, get it done now.
> The only reason that I want to wait is financial , I want to get his >claws and microchip done at the same time. She said not only is it cheaper >in one visit but safer for the animal as well. Um. Can I get you to reconsider declawing? It's the amputation of the first joint of your cat's toes (the distal phalanx) and apart from the physical and psychological effects on a cat, the surgery itself has an unacceptably high rate of complications (50% of cats immediately after the surgery, 20% of cats at a year or more out).
Here's a link to a very factual site about declawing:
http://www.maxshouse.com/facts_about_declawing.htm
Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Victor M. Martinez - 07 Apr 2004 21:36 GMT > The only reason that I want to wait is financial , I want to get his >claws and microchip done at the same time. She said not only is it cheaper >in one visit but safer for the animal as well. Please take a few minutes to read some of the following articles to learn more about declawing: http://www.maxshouse.com/Truth%20About%20Declawing.htm http://www.declawing.com/ http://amby.com/cat_site/declaw.html (this site provides tons of links) http://www.cfainc.org/health/declawing.html http://www.stopdeclaw.com
Please don't declaw your cats! It's cruel and inhumane. Most industrialized countries ban this procedure as part of their animal protection laws.
Here's a description of how the declawing procedure is done. Judge by yourlself:
"The claw is extended by pushing up under the footpad or by grasping it with Allis tissue forceps. A scalpel blade is used to sharply dissect between the second and third phalanx over the top of the ungual crest . The distal interphalangeal joint is disarticulated (disjointed), and the deep digital flexor tendon is incised (severed). The digital footpad, is not incised. If a nail trimmer is used, the ring of the instrument is placed in the groove between the second phalanx and the ungual crest. The blade is positioned just in front of the footpad. The blade is pushed through the soft tissues over the flexor process. With the ring of the nail trimmer in position behind the ungual crest, the blade is released just slightly so that traction applied to the claw causes the flexor process to slip out and above the blade. At this point, the flexor tendon can be incised and disarticulation of the joint (disjointing) completed. Both techniques effectively remove the entire third phalanx. If a larger segment of the third phalanx is left, it should be dissected out with a scalpel blade. A surgeon's knot of absorbable suture material is sometimes used to decrease hemorrhage and to act as a "guiding suture" for second intention wound healing in large cats. " Slatter D; Textbook of Small Animal Surgery 2nd ed vol I, p.352 W.B. Saunders Company Philadelphia.
The following is a clinical report published in the journal of Veterinary Surgery:
Vet Surg 1994 Jul-Aug;23(4):274-80 Feline Onychectomy at a Teaching Institution: A Retrospective Study of 163 Cases.
Tobias KS Department of Veterinary Clinical Sciences, Washington State University, College of Veterinary Medicine, Pullman 99164-6610.
"One hundred sixty-three cats underwent onychectomy from January 1985 to November 1992. Fifty percent of the cats had one or more complications immediately after surgery. Early postoperative complications included pain (38.1%), hemorrhage (31.9%), lameness (26.9%), swelling (6.3%), or non-weight-bearing( 5.6%).
Follow-up was available in 121 cats;
19.8% developed complications after release. Late postoperative complications included infection (11.6%), regrowth (7.4%), P2 protrusion (1.7%), palmagrade stance (1.7%), and prolonged, intermittent lameness (0.8%)".
The following clinical report was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association:
J Am Vet Med Assoc 1998 Aug 1;213(3):370-3 Comparison of Effects of Elective Tenectomy or Onychectomy in Cats.
Jankowski AJ, Brown DC, Duval J, Gregor TP, Strine LE, Ksiazek LM, Ott AH Department of Clinical Studies, Veterinary Teaching Hospital, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia 19104, USA.
"OBJECTIVE: To compare short- and long-term complications after Tenectomy of the deep digital flexor tendons or onychectomy. ANIMALS: 20 cats undergoing Tenectomy and 18 cats undergoing onychectomy. PROCEDURE: Cats undergoing Tenectomy or onychectomy were monitored for a minimum of 5 months to enable comparison of type and frequency of complications. Type and frequency of complications did not differ between procedures. CLINICAL IMPLICATIONS: Owners should be aware of the high complication rate for both procedures."
The Cat Fanciers' Association unanimously approved this guidance statement on the declawing of cats: "CFA perceives the declawing of cats (onychectomy ) and the severing of digital tendons (tendonectomy) to be elective surgical procedures which are without benefit to the cat. Because of post operative discomfort or pain, and potential future behavioral or physical effects, CFA disapproves of declawing or tendonectomy surgery."
Dr. Nicholas Dodman, Professor of Behavioral Pharmacology and Director of the Behavior Clinic at Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine and internationally known specialist in domestic animal behavioral research, explains declawing:
"The inhumanity of the procedure is clearly demonstrated by the nature of cats' recovery from anesthesia following the surgery. Unlike routine recoveries, including recovery from neutering surgeries, which are fairly peaceful, declawing surgery results in cats bouncing off the walls of the recovery cage because of excruciating pain. Cats that are more stoic huddle in the corner of the recovery cage, immobilized in a state of helplessness, presumably by overwhelming pain. Declawing fits the dictionary definition of mutilation to a tee. Words such as deform, disfigure, disjoint, and dismember all apply to this surgery. Partial digital amputation is so horrible that it has been employed for torture of prisoners of war, and in veterinary medicine, the clinical procedure serves as model of severe pain for testing the efficacy of analgesic drugs. Even though analgesic drugs can be used postoperatively, they rarely are, and their effects are incomplete and transient anyway, so sooner or later the pain will emerge."
 Signature Victor M. Martinez martiv@FAKE.che.utexas.edu http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv
Magic Mood Jeep? - 07 Apr 2004 21:42 GMT No - my vet neutered a hand raised (mamacat abandoned it) kitten at 12 weeks.
 Signature The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep
> Hello All: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in one visit but safer for the animal as well. > ? Arjun Ray - 07 Apr 2004 21:47 GMT | My cat is approaching the 5 month mark , is it too early for the | snip? Not at all. Better sooner than later.
| Also are there any detriments to waiting a month or so? Once bad | behavior is learned ie urine marking I imagine that it can't be | unlearned. It can be unlearned, but save yourself the trouble.
| I want to get his claws and microchip done at the same time. Claws? You mean you want to declaw him? If so, then here is the *real* information about such egregious mutilation:
http://www.stopdeclaw.com/ http://www.maxshouse.com/facts_about_declawing.htm
If your vet is one who declaws routinely, find another vet. One who doesn't condone butchery.
countertroll - 08 Apr 2004 00:56 GMT > | My cat is approaching the 5 month mark , is it too early for the > | snip? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > If your vet is one who declaws routinely, find another vet. One who > doesn't condone butchery. tear out the claws, tear them open open from the stomach, fold inside out, cat salad.
Q - 08 Apr 2004 03:23 GMT > | My cat is approaching the 5 month mark , is it too early for the > | snip? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > If your vet is one who declaws routinely, find another vet. One who > doesn't condone butchery. Actually the vet reccommended against it but she said that as I was the one that had to live with the animal and that they will do it on request. She also said that it's easier on the animal to have all three or two (I'm debating now) operations done at once. Snip , microchip and declawing
NobodyMan - 09 Apr 2004 00:01 GMT >> | My cat is approaching the 5 month mark , is it too early for the >> | snip? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >She also said that it's easier on the animal to have all three or two (I'm >debating now) operations done at once. Snip , microchip and declawing The microchip implantation is not a major project. They chipped my kitty when I adopted him for the shelter. It took them all of maybe five minutes, including the time needed for me to fill out the paperwork. They inject the chip under the skin, similiar to any other injection.
Sabrina's Mom - 07 Apr 2004 22:41 GMT The only thing I know is many vets don't recommend putting them under anethesia until after 6 months....
I did have a friend who's cat passed away during a spayign surgery at 5 months - all because of the anesthesia complications.
And, of course, I'll jump on the declawing bandwagon... Please reconsider. Although Sabrina is declawed, I adopted her as an adult cat who had been declawed by her previous owner who passed away. If I ever have another cat, the only way it would be declawed would be thru adoption of an adult cat, I wouldn't do it myself to a cat that had claws when I adopted him/her.
> Hello All: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in one visit but safer for the animal as well. > ? JoJo - 08 Apr 2004 04:10 GMT There can be complications with anesthetic at any age, not just 6 months. Vet I used to work for said they waited for that age because animals were about close to "sexual maturity" (testicles descended etc - there may be other reasons but it goes back years). Plus the vet did do declaws recommended age for that was 4 months old, so if anesthetic is ok at that age for that then why not fixing? In addition males and females surgeries are different. Male cats were given ketamine (which kids are now getting high on, go figure), knocked them out quickly - neuters are easy, just a few snips and that was it (vet techs did them routinely as part of their training). Females on the other hand got ketamine plus the other stuff (where they put a tube down throat and give halothane) - since females organs are inside they have to cut the belly open - a little more involved than a neuter. Neuters can take 5 minutes or so - spays take 20 minutes since it is invasive.
Shelter I foster for routinely fixes kittens as soon as they are over 2 lbs in weight (generally 8 weeks). Why do they fix so young? The found even with giving free vouchers for spay/neuter people were not getting it done. They decided this was the best way to ensure pets were fixed and not able to reproduce. Most animals come out of it fine, although there are a few exceptions - just as there is with any surgeries.
JoJo
> The only thing I know is many vets don't recommend putting them under > anethesia until after 6 months.... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > in one visit but safer for the animal as well. > > ? Q - 07 Apr 2004 22:44 GMT Ok snip time it is I guess , I shudder to think of what it'll be like if he started sprayin!
> Hello All: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in one visit but safer for the animal as well. > ? Tina Laitinen - 08 Apr 2004 04:00 GMT > Ok snip time it is I guess , I shudder to think of what it'll be like if he > started sprayin! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > in one visit but safer for the animal as well. > > ? I'm jumpin on the declawing wagon too. I saw the site and it made me wanna throw up. One of ours is declawed we got her that way and she has a ton of behavorial problems. She pees on the bed whenever her litter isn't cleaned or she pees on the bed when she's mad at us. It's not a good thing. Please get him neutered whenever you can. Learn to clip his claws. I do it with our male all the time. He fights me but it's better than having him declawed and we've also tried those Soft Paws See posting above and they do work. Please please please don't have him declawed.
Tina
Q - 08 Apr 2004 04:10 GMT > > Ok snip time it is I guess , I shudder to think of what it'll be like if > he [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Tina By way of playing devils advocate , is anyone pro declawing? The scales are definitly tipping!
Da_Missus - 08 Apr 2004 04:20 GMT > By way of playing devils advocate , is anyone pro declawing? The scales are > definitly tipping! Usually the only cat owners you'll find that are pro-declawing are the ones who either don't know enough about it, don't want to bother training their cat how to scratch, or are more worried about their furniture than the pain of their pet. Sorry to make it as blunt as that, but that's how it is. In my city, most vets will not declaw a cat, no matter how much the owner wants it, because it is inhumane. I only wish more vets would follow suit. Listen to your vet; she recommended against it, didn't she? Think about it: she cares more about your animal's wellbeing than the money in her pocket.
Trust everyone in here; we are all avid cat lovers and owners who have been through the 'terrible twos' of kittens (right before they get fixed). They do grow out of it with your help, patience, positive reinforcement, and understanding. My oldest not only used to scratch everything, she chewed on everything as well. She stopped both after some gentle training, treats for positive reinforcement, and non-cruel punishment for negative behaviour. Think of this phase as the toddler years for your cat and realize that eventually he will calm down. Just some more food for thought for you :-)
Q - 08 Apr 2004 04:33 GMT > > By way of playing devils advocate , is anyone pro declawing? The scales > are [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Think of this phase as the toddler years for your cat and realize that > eventually he will calm down. Just some more food for thought for you :-) Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I'm convinced! Now all I have to do is convince my wife! The graphics from those earlier sites may help! Ouch! I really hope you guy's are right and the sneak attacks will stop. The little bugger is sleeping and purring on my lap right now.
rangitotogirl - 08 Apr 2004 07:16 GMT > Thank you for your thoughtful comments. > I'm convinced! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Yay! Spend the money you saved on declawing on a cat scratching post. Preferably one with rope on it. Our kitten loves his cat tree and scratches it to bits. He leaves the furniture alone. It'll be worth it.
Mmhsb - 08 Apr 2004 08:49 GMT Agreed on declawing. An effective & free training method is using a harmless water spray. After several sprays cat will stop when they see you pick up the spray bottle. It appears to insult them as my cats would give me an incredulous hurt look - but it sure works.
> > Thank you for your thoughtful comments. > > I'm convinced! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Preferably one with rope on it. Our kitten loves his cat tree and scratches > it to bits. He leaves the furniture alone. It'll be worth it. Arjun Ray - 08 Apr 2004 11:57 GMT | I'm convinced! Great!
| Now all I have to do is convince my wife! The graphics from those | earlier sites may help! Ouch! Emphasize the *long term* aspects.
For instance, many declawed cats develop litterbox avoidance: it hurts them to scratch at the litter, so eventually they start prefering other absorbent surfaces. Such as your carpet. Or your bed. Does your wife want that? If it happens, is she prepared to live with it?
Another: declawing destroys proper body posture. The long term risk is arthritis. Does your wife want the cat to be in pain later on in life? How about the vet and medication bills in the future to deal with that?
The facts of the matter are three.
First, declawing is of *NO* benefit, absolutely none whatsoever, **TO THE CAT**.
Second, as a consequence, declawing is not any kind of "solution" at all - it is simply a myopic grope for a convenient out, as if there won't be long term implications. It is usually an act of ignorance: too many people simply don't know any better, maybe can't be bothered to find out, and then again can't get their heads around unpleasant facts. Done knowingly, it is an act of incredible stupidity and utter contempt for the wellbeing of companion animals, who will be *trusting* you to take care of them.
Third, because declawing is *medically* so utterly and gratuitously destructive of a cat's wellbeing, it shouldn't come as a suprise that declawing is either condemned or banned in most of the world - as an instance of *cruelty to an animal*. In England, a vet would lose his accreditation. In Switzerland, he would go to jail. The US and Canada are the only countries in the world still uncivilized enough to condone the practice.
If your wife can't handle the idea of a pet with claws, she should try goldfish.
| I really hope you guy's are right and the sneak attacks will stop. Kittens are rambunctious. They learn claw control, among other things, from playmates. As long as you discourage inapppropriate behavior (scream loudly and then ignore him, or gently pick him up and put him at the scratching post, etc.) you can help him grow otu of it.
Victor Martinez - 08 Apr 2004 13:59 GMT > Thank you for your thoughtful comments. > I'm convinced! > Now all I have to do is convince my wife! The graphics from those > earlier sites may help! Ouch! Yay! Thank you. In the name of all cats and cat lovers, thank you.
> I really hope you guy's are right and the sneak attacks will stop. The > little bugger is sleeping and purring on my lap right now. He will, eventually. We have two teenage cats (about 10 months old) right now, Fez and Rufous. They are not as feisty as they were a few months ago, but they're still quite active. In contrast, our oldest cat Xoxo is extremely laid back, he's over 7 years old.
 Signature Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com
Mary Ann Morgan - 10 Apr 2004 00:01 GMT I'm so glad you could be convinced. I can't look at the website as I know how awful it is, but showing your wife that and telling her of the negative effects of declawing: aggressive or standoffish behavior, litter box problems, etc shoulder help her decide, if she likes animals at all.
My cats use the scratching post with rope too and we have no problem w/furniture. Two other humane ways we found (when they were younger) to train for scratching and jumping on kitchen counter was a spray bottle w/water, but try not to let them see you spray then they'll associate it w/you, not the behavior, and temporarily putting aluminium foil on top of places you don't want them to jump or scratch. They hate the feel and sound of the foil. When they seem to have learned, remove the foil. Good luck and thanks for being a responsible cat owner!!
> > Thank you for your thoughtful comments. > > I'm convinced! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > months ago, but they're still quite active. In contrast, our oldest cat > Xoxo is extremely laid back, he's over 7 years old. Q - 10 Apr 2004 04:08 GMT > I'm so glad you could be convinced. I can't look at the website as I know > how awful it is, but showing your wife that and telling her of the negative [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of the foil. When they seem to have learned, remove the foil. Good luck and > thanks for being a responsible cat owner!! Yes some good ideas all around re tinfoil etc. The "amputation" would have cost around $250.00 Canadian , so we decided to invest at least half that much in some high tech scratching posts/that rope that was mentioned somewhere earlier. He gets the snip and chip on Tuesday. In and out same day.
Mmhsb - 10 Apr 2004 05:44 GMT Often the Vet trims their nails when they're under so that the cat doesn't harm itself or others during recovery. So he won't be able to scratch for awhile. That will give him awhile to forget his previous ways & once they grow enough he'll be gaga with his deluxe scratching post. If he starts again, try the water spray I suggested earlier & another mentioned. It's a #1 deterrent. Good luck Tues.!
> > I'm so glad you could be convinced. I can't look at the website as I know > > how awful it is, but showing your wife that and telling her of the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > somewhere earlier. He gets the snip and chip on Tuesday. In and out same > day. Da_Missus - 10 Apr 2004 16:29 GMT > > I'm so glad you could be convinced. I can't look at the website as I know > > how awful it is, but showing your wife that and telling her of the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > somewhere earlier. He gets the snip and chip on Tuesday. In and out same > day. This message made my day! I'm so glad you and your wife decided to avoid the declawing procedure. In return you will have a happier, content, and (once he gets older) calm cat.
MaryL - 10 Apr 2004 17:03 GMT > Yes some good ideas all around re tinfoil etc. The "amputation" would > have cost around $250.00 Canadian , so we decided to invest at least half > that much in some high tech scratching posts/that rope that was mentioned > somewhere earlier. He gets the snip and chip on Tuesday. In and out same > day. This is wonderful news. I am so glad you and your wife have decided not to have your cat declawed. When you get scratching posts, be sure to get them as tall and sturdy as possible. A cat can place a surprising amount of leverage against a post, and he may become frightened and refuse to use it again if one topples over. I'm not sure what is available in Canada, but PetSmart in the U.S. has an excellent post that is about 36" tall. It has an "L-shaped" base, so the cat stands on the base while scratching. This provides even more stability. This model is available with a carpeted pole or with one with small amounts of carpet at the top and bottom but with most of the pole carpeted in sisal (which is the one I have). I paid about US $39.00 for it. I also have a wonderful cat tree. It is made of solid wood with two carpeted poles, one sisal-covered post, and an enclosed upright tunnel. The cats love it, and Duffy has become a true gymnast while swinging around from one post to another. I ordered mine from www.createacatcondo.com.
I have been able to easily train all of my cats to use scratching posts, and I have done it without any punishment. The key is to be persistent when you start the training, and get them to look at the post as something pleasant and positive. Positive reinforcement is always better than negative reinforcement, in my opinion. When training each cat, I watched carefully and was alert for any sign that he or she was going to scratch anywhere other than the post. The I would say "no" and either go to the post and tap it and call to him, or even pick up the cat and carry him to the post. Tap the post or scratch it with your fingers or pull a small toy on a string up and down the post to get his attention (but be careful not to leave the string lying around when you are not present to make sure your cat cannot become entangled). Then praise your cat *lavishly* as soon as he uses the scratching post. This took only a few days for each of my cats, and I have not had any problems with damaged furniture or carpeting. I expected to need extra time for Duffy because he is blind and it was obvious when I adopted him at approximately 4 years of age that he had never used a scratching post. However, he learned in only a couple of days. Of course, if you have read many of my messages, you probably know by now that I consider him my miracle cat! ;o)
MaryL (take out the litter to reply)
Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'< http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
MaryL - 09 Apr 2004 00:22 GMT > Hello All: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in one visit but safer for the animal as well. > ? At one time, the concensus was that we should wait until 6-8 months of age to neuter a male cat. However, that was *years* ago. Cats are now routinely spayed and neutered at much younger ages, and there should be no problem as long as your vet is trained to use the procedure in young cats (and your cat at 5 months has almost reached the "former" guideline). You would be much better off to have your cat neutered *before* he begins to spray.
Please, please, please *do not have your cat declawed.* Many people do not realize what a devastating surgery this is -- it is actually a form of amputation. Ironically, most people who have their cats declawed think they will save their furniture. However, about one-third of declawed cats develop behavioral and/or medical problems, including biting, inappropriate urination, spraying, and early onset of arthritis. Not all declawed cats develop problems, but the statistics are much higher for declawed cats than for cats that retain their claws. Visit almost any animal shelter, and you will find many declawed cats that have been dumped because of "behavioral" problems. Your cat can be trained to use a scratching post, but imagine the cost (and the stench!) if your cat starts to spray indoors. Therefore, there are many good reasons not to declaw: most important, the fact that the cat needs his claws and will face unnecessary pain and possibly emotional problems if you go forward with the procedure; next, it simply isn't necessary because cats can be trained to use a scratching post (I have done it with each of mine, and it was not difficult -- just *ask,* and you will find that we can give you help on how to do it); finally, you mentioned some concerns about finances, but you could buy some very sturdy scratching posts for what declawing would costs.
MaryL (take out the litter to reply)
Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'< http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
Mary Ann Morgan - 10 Apr 2004 00:04 GMT Another BIG negative for declawing, is if you cat ever happens to get outside they have NO protection. Most cats use their claws to scratch a dog's nose and give it enough time to climb a tree or something else, but they can't do either if they have no claws. And teeth alone wouldn't help against a tough outside cat w/teeth AND claws.
> > Hello All: > > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) > http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in") kilikini - 10 Apr 2004 01:44 GMT > Another BIG negative for declawing, is if you cat ever happens to get > outside they have NO protection. Most cats use their claws to scratch a > dog's nose and give it enough time to climb a tree or something else, but > they can't do either if they have no claws. And teeth alone wouldn't help > against a tough outside cat w/teeth AND claws. My cat doesn't tolerate my dog (he's too boisterous and curious), but when she smacks him, she does it claws in, not out. You can hear a resounding SLAP as she bats his nose. It's alarming when you first hear it, but then on close inspection of his snout, it's perfect. Not a scratch. I give her alot of credit because even *I* think the dog is too much to take sometimes! LOL
kili
NobodyMan - 10 Apr 2004 02:26 GMT >Another BIG negative for declawing, is if you cat ever happens to get >outside they have NO protection. Most cats use their claws to scratch a >dog's nose and give it enough time to climb a tree or something else, but >they can't do either if they have no claws. And teeth alone wouldn't help >against a tough outside cat w/teeth AND claws. I copied this from the last post I responded to about a cat needing claws:
"The last several cats my parents have had were all declawed. These were cats that spent most of their time inside, but a decent amount outside as well, especially in the summer. None of them ever suffered from not having their front claws (the rear claws were left intact). In fact, a few were mighty hunters even with no front claws, brining home fresh food on a regular basis."
I don't condone declawing cats. Neither of the cats I shared my homes with have ever been declawed, nor have I ever desired it to be done to them. My parents have chosen to have their kitties declawed, and if you read above, the cats survive when they go outside just fine. A couple of those cats were found in trees, so they climbed up them just fine without those front claws.
Cats mainly use the front claws to grip with while they "rake" with the back claws.
|
|
|