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Cat Forum / General Topics / March 2004Neutering vs. Vasectomy Question
Which would you choose and why ? Would you consider a vasectomy as a viable option to neutering a pet ? Pat (still withholding opinion for the nonce) testing my own social prejudice that women will automatically choose "neutering" whereas men might consider "vasectomy" as an option, and hoping that with the "hot topic" here, somebody knowledgeable might actually post something useful in the original thread, apart from those few who did so before the thread tanked. > Would you consider a vasectomy as a viable option to neutering a pet ? Nope. That would not fix the spraying, fighting, roaming, etc. that comes with testosterone. Spaying and neutering are not only for preventing litters of kittens and helping with the very real pet overpopulation problem. They are also for the benefit of the cats. Intact cats live shorter, more stressful lives. Unlike cats, humans can control our primal urges (most of the time, most of us anyway). They cannot.  SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Hi Victor, <snip> > That would not fix >the spraying, That has absolutely nothing to do with the cat's health/happiness, just the owner's convenience and can be controlled to a certain degree (YMMV for housebound, ornamental cats). I put using that as a reason for neutering down solely to owner's convenience, and is an abuse of power, like declawing. > fighting, true, (but) do you want the unspayed females in your area covered by a "potent" cat or one who's "shooting blanks" [1] "Buggy" (one of 2 male kittens) has been on the arse end of a few skirmishes, but almost all of his dents and scrapes are "pre-testicles", so to speak. (For anybody who feels like personally attacking me at this point, there is almost an entire thread devoted to it a bit upstream) > roaming, yeah, I still don't see a solution for that, personally [2], though a former neighbours' "permanent houseguest" sticks with them/their spayed female as far as home territory goes[3]. <snip> > Intact cats live shorter, more stressful lives. haven't done any research, yet (I will though); I don't doubt it that much, but "fuller" is also a given, obviously. > Unlike cats, humans can > control our primal urges (most of the time, most of us anyway). :) as the morning paper can easily attest to. --------------- The option of giving a male cat a vasectomy is relatively new and not quite as entrenched with "Common Knowledge" of any variety yet, as the subject of neutering is. --------------- Pat hmm... footnotes outweigh post, aaargh :/ [1] when I wrote this I went "ahah" (guess which side I'm choosing, at least for argument's sake). Then of course it occurred to me that an unspayed female in heat + outside = kittens, Then it occurred to me that a male cat *will* turn away other male cats from his territory. [2] though the male kittens that I've had grow up here do tend to go on walkabout, but other large factors may play a part: a) the in-house female cats are related which makes them more inclined to simply beat the crap out of him; b) the extreme disapproval/locking in the bathroom sort of thing from the owners for mounting his mum/sister. [3] also the daddy of one of my (then unspayed) cat's litters (*all* of whom, I have to hasten to add, so people don't start in on me again, have found loving homes with people not normally inclined to visit a shelter). There is a *very* humourous story that goes along with his romantic exploits but I'll save that for a rainy day. "rpl" <plinnane3NO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:4c61c.67958as far as home territory goes[3]. > <snip> > > Intact cats live shorter, more stressful lives. > > haven't done any research, yet (I will though) well maybe you should before you tell those of us who know the facts that we are wrong. > "rpl" <plinnane3NO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:4c61c.67958as far as > home territory goes[3]. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > well maybe you should before you tell those of us who know the facts that we > are wrong. Maybe you could point out the post(s) in which I "tell those of us who know the facts that we are wrong". I have read the urls you posted btw. If you have cites handy which are a little less foggy vis-a-vis cancer/disease/lifespan, I'd appreciate it. thanks, Pat >Which would you choose and why ? > >Would you consider a vasectomy as a viable option to neutering a pet ? Some breeders will keep vasectomised males around as 'teaser toms' to help bring females they don't want to breed at the time out of heat, but they only do so for a short period of time (one, maybe two years). Vasectomised toms tend to be more aggressive than either intact toms or neutered males, for some unknown reason. They also have a higher incidence of prostate and testicular cancer (this, obviously, does not hold true for vasectomised human males) than intact or neutered males. Most responsible breeders use a male for a few years and then neuter and place as a pet before the age of six. This is for the health and emotional well-being of the cat primarily -- an intact male that is not breeding females is a profoundly unhappy animal. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid > Some breeders will keep vasectomised males around as 'teaser > toms' to help bring females they don't want to breed at the time out > of heat, but they only do so for a short period of time (one, maybe > two years). Vasectomised toms tend to be more aggressive than either > intact toms or neutered males, for some unknown reason. ... odd, maybe it's a subtle pride thing (lion "pun" intended). Cites? >They also > have a higher incidence of prostate and testicular cancer Is that kind of cancer normally high in cats? (Obviously, if a cat doesn't have the equipment, he's not gonna have cancer of said equipment) >(this, > obviously, does not hold true for vasectomised human males) than > intact or neutered males. Most vasectomies in human males occur at a later age. (?) >Most responsible breeders use a male for a > few years and then neuter and place as a pet before the age of six. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage > Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >> Some breeders will keep vasectomised males around as 'teaser >> toms' to help bring females they don't want to breed at the time out [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >... odd, maybe it's a subtle pride thing (lion "pun" intended). Cites? No formal studies have been done regarding aggression in intact vs. neutered vs. vasectomised male cats, but that may be because the only place you find vasectomised male cats is with breeders as teaser toms. Since I show my Bengals, I know a lot of breeders, many of which have teaser toms, and their experience has been that teasers are more aggressive. >>They also >> have a higher incidence of prostate and testicular cancer > >Is that kind of cancer normally high in cats? (Obviously, if a cat >doesn't have the equipment, he's not gonna have cancer of said equipment) It's between 5% and 7% of intact males. I'll see if I can dig up the study, but it's not online and somewhere in my stack of 'interesting studies to be filed'. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid > No formal studies have been done regarding aggression in > intact vs. neutered vs. vasectomised male cats, but that may be > because the only place you find vasectomised male cats is with > breeders as teaser toms. Since I show my Bengals, I know a lot of > breeders, many of which have teaser toms, and their experience has > been that teasers are more aggressive. rather unique environment that. >>>have a higher incidence of prostate and testicular cancer >> >>Is that kind of cancer normally high in cats? > It's between 5% and 7% of intact males. A little higher than humans sounds like. Thanks Pat > Which would you choose and why ? > > Would you consider a vasectomy as a viable option to neutering a pet ? No. First of all, an unneutered tom REEKS. Stinks to high heaven. Just snipping will NOT affect this. If you want a pet to be a part of your life, a reeking stink seriously negativly impacts that time. Second of all, they fight. Fighting leads to injuries and abcesses which are unhealthy for the animal and also leads to the additional expense of *unnecessary* vet bills. Thirdly, just because he's "shooting blanks" doesn't mean that he won't try to mount females in season. You don't want your cat out there aquiring STD's, do you? That's also additional vet bills. Fourthly, neutering prevents and lowers the incidence of many cancers, not just testicular cancer.That's saving you money at the vet again. Fifth, if you allow your tom outdoors time, they are far more prone to roaming and the dangers of car accidents, getting lost, and predatory humans and other animals. Car accidents and predator attacks also lead to high vet bills. It's not only economics that favor neutering, it's the positives that result from the operation. Neutering makes for a happier and healthier and longer lived pet with less trauma trips to the vet. These are all positives for most pet owners. I have yet to see one positive reason for performing a vasectomy versus neutering, and I doubt seriously that you'd even be able to find many vets who would perform such an operation. And, if you were able to find a vet who would agree to perform the operation, it'd be a lot more expensive than neutering. Your rationales and fears are anthroporphistic. You cat doesn't care about losing his balls. But, somehow, you seem to think yours are in jeapordy. > > Which would you choose and why ? > > > > Would you consider a vasectomy as a viable option to neutering a pet ? > > > Your rationales and fears are anthroporphistic. That should be anthropomorphistic. Too late at night. >>>Which would you choose and why ? >>> >>>Would you consider a vasectomy as a viable option to neutering a pet ? >>Your rationales and fears are anthroporphistic. > > That should be anthropomorphistic. Too late at night. anthropomorpheusistic ? Pat Sweet slumber comes and takes away the toils and worries of the... dammit I just let you out, you knew it was snowing go sleep in the garage oh all right >>Which would you choose and why ? >> >>Would you consider a vasectomy as a viable option to neutering a pet ? > > No. First of all, an unneutered tom REEKS. Stinks to high heaven. (aside: spraying isn't even in the same area code as cat-semen, though) > Thirdly, just because he's "shooting blanks" doesn't mean that he won't try > to mount females in season. That was actually my point. You don't want your cat out there aquiring > STD's, do you? That's also additional vet bills. Fourthly, neutering >Your rationales and fears are anthroporphistic. "Anthropomorphic" (coming up on anthroporphyric); of course they are, I'm not actually a cat, mostly trying to sieve through "common knowledge" a little. You cat > doesn't care about losing his balls. But, somehow, you seem to think yours > are in jeapordy. ? |
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