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Richard - 28 Feb 2004 13:28 GMT
Hi,

     I have been told by a few people that commercial cat food is not very
good for cats because it contains food from sick animals and even euthanised
cats.  Does anybody know better cats food?  I am using Hill's Prescription
Diet which I thought was very good because it is sold only at the vet and it
is costly.  However, I have been told that even that is not very good.
Previously I was using Iams but I stopped because PETA said that the company
mistreats cats in its laboratory.

           Thanks,

                 Richard
Victor Martinez - 28 Feb 2004 14:11 GMT
If you want the best food available try Innova, Felidae, Wysong, etc.
Those are really good, but not available everywhere. Good commercially
available food includes Nutro and Authority. They key is to look at the
top 5 ingredients. You want to be sure that meat is the number 1 (or 2
for canned) ingredient and that most of the top 5 ingredients are meat.
I try to avoid foods with by-products and I never buy any food that
lists a grain twice (i.e. corn and cornmeal, they're cheating by
separating the grains so they don't make it to the top of the list).
And remember, canned food is always better.

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---MIKE--- - 28 Feb 2004 14:12 GMT
Most commercial cat foods DO NOT contain parts of dead or diseased pets.
I prefer to use cat food that is made not using by-products but many
people feel that by-products are fine.  I use Wellness which is made
from de-boned chicken or turkey and has no by-products.  Iams used to be
a quality product but has become suspect since Proctor and Gamble took
it over.

                 -MIKE
philo - 28 Feb 2004 14:54 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Previously I was using Iams but I stopped because PETA said that the company
> mistreats cats in its laboratory.

I work as service engineer, so get to see the insides of a wide variety
of companies. One of my customers is an animal food supplier and their
cat food is made from the same animals destined for human consumption...
it's merely the lesser cuts and byproducts etc.

Any condemned meat is usually used in fertilizer
Chris - 28 Feb 2004 17:20 GMT
What I have been recently told by a VET and A pet found developer that some
companies us the 4D's in their pet foods dead, dieing, diseased or disabled
animals. There are more and more ultra premium foods on the market now that
are using organic and human grade meats in the food that they produce. I
also stay away from foods that contain any by products (especial IAM's)
try some of the following foods
Nutro
Nutrience
Royal Canin
Natural Balance
Eagle Pack are just a few of the supper premium foods on the market for cats
and dogs
One rule that I have if they advertise too much the food is not the greatest

> Hi,
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>                   Richard
Bazza - 28 Feb 2004 20:01 GMT
> > Hi,
> >
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> euthanised
> > cats.  Does anybody know better cats food?

Big snip.

You will not like this, but as you asked the question, you deserve an
answer. In their natural state carnivores will only hunt a herbivore,
hunting another carnivore would be too much trouble and both parties would
get terribly injured.

So carnivore kills herbivore, first eats the stomach where the semi digested
vegetation is with the necessary juices to digest it, thus getting the
vegetation it needs to have a healthy life, also the stomach would go bad
quicker in the mid day sun. Second it will rip as much flesh as possible fur
feathers and bone, if necessary it will tear off a limb and hide it for
later. Remember it will probably only get a kill once or twice a week, so it
will stuff itself to bursting, its stomach is made for that purpose, Cats
will smaller and more often that dogs. It is normal and necessary for
carnivores to starve every so often; it is good to starve one day a week.
Rain water is better than tap water and most animals will if given the
choice, chose puddles or rain water to tap water or milk in fact it is
better not to give milk. Cats rarely catch fish and if fed fish on a regular
basis can cause problems.

So you want to feed your carnivore a good diet. Breed small rodents and or
rabbits and give live food to them, its their natural diet.  I did an
experiment with dry food, after putting equal quantities of dry food and
water together overnight, I was able to stand a spoon up in it, it was like
thick porridge, you can imagine how that sucks all the moisture from the
animals' digestive system. This could at later date cause kidney damage.

You can give live or uncooked chicken (we are talking all carnivores (so
large dogs could eat a whole chicken)). A carnivore's digestive juice can
and will dissolve raw bone and feathers, NEVER give a carnivore cooked bone,
cooking it alters the structure and makes it brittle and indigestible.

Food for thought on this one, If I gave you a live rat and asked you to take
its gall bladder out without damage you could not do it with both hands and
a scalpel. A cat will do this as soon as it can catch a mouse or rat. My cat
lives off of the land, she is the tiniest thing you have ever seen,
extremely healthy not over weight and happy. She goes out when it is raining
thundering and lightening, its natural. She brings back live rabbits as big
as she is, in fact if man (human being) were to die out tomorrow she would
service and provide for her young.

I have spent my life with animals professionally, and disappear at the way
us humans try to bring them up as our babies.

Barrie

Barrie
~*Connie*~ - 28 Feb 2004 23:24 GMT
> > > Hi,
> > >
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> Barrie

This has been one of the best explanations Ive seen around.   While I don't
advocate only feeding a cat mice rats and/or rabbits, due to possible injury
when hunting and diseases they might carry and internal parasites, it is
their natural diet..
Bazza - 29 Feb 2004 20:31 GMT
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
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> when hunting and diseases they might carry and internal parasites, it is
> their natural diet..

Parasites, are a way of life, ugly detestable little critters, with no
friends. I did not go into great depths, but I would have suggested breeding
the food if you are worried about nasties.

Some animals kept in zoo's will not eat food unless they have killed it
themselves. Not that I agree with keeping animals in captivity.

Barrie
~*Connie*~ - 28 Feb 2004 23:18 GMT
I wouldn't listen to PETA.. do your own research.

I just recently found Felidae.. it sounds like amazing stuff.. Im awaiting
my first bag, as I had to specially order it..

you can find it on amazon.com and at their website http://www.canidae.com
> Hi,
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>
>                   Richard
Richard - 28 Feb 2004 23:32 GMT
Why would I not listen to PETA.  This is a great organisation who is there
to protect animals against cruelty.  I certainly do not have the time and
the tools that PETA has to do its research.  PETA has private investigator.

             Richard

> I wouldn't listen to PETA.. do your own research.
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> >                   Richard
Victor Martinez - 29 Feb 2004 01:39 GMT
> Why would I not listen to PETA.  This is a great organisation who is there
> to protect animals against cruelty.  I certainly do not have the time and
> the tools that PETA has to do its research.  PETA has private investigator.

Unfortunately, PETA does some things I strongly disapprove of. I would
never give them 1 cent of my money, I'd rather support other animal
causes (humane society, etc.). And I will not believe what they say
without proof from a separate source. They are fanatical, and fanatics
are not to be trusted.

Cheers.

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~*Connie*~ - 29 Feb 2004 03:46 GMT
> Why would I not listen to PETA.  This is a great organisation who is there
> to protect animals against cruelty.  I certainly do not have the time and
> the tools that PETA has to do its research.  PETA has private investigator.
>
>               Richard

Have you ever looked into PETA's practices and beliefs?  have you heard any
of the negative sides of PETA?  PETA is extremely radical.. and while Im
totally for the protection of animals, I find PETA to be abhorrent.
Richard - 29 Feb 2004 19:10 GMT
> > Why would I not listen to PETA.  This is a great organisation who is there
> > to protect animals against cruelty.  I certainly do not have the time and
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> of the negative sides of PETA?  PETA is extremely radical.. and while Im
> totally for the protection of animals, I find PETA to be abhorrent.

Animals are badly mistreated everywhere and especially in the farm
factories.  PETA is a voice for those who have no voice.  I do not think it
is being fantical to want to stop cruelty.  If what they say seem extreme it
is because the way we mistreat animals is extreme.  Chickens and porks spend
there whole life in a cage without being able to move.  Itl is extreme
cruelty.  Telling it to the people is not extreme.  If we were to respect
more animals, the Earth would be a better place.

                     Richard
~*Connie*~ - 29 Feb 2004 20:39 GMT
> > > Why would I not listen to PETA.  This is a great organisation who is
> there
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>                       Richard

It is NOT radical to want to stop cruelty.. nor is it to tell people.  it is
radical to do things that harm humans to save an animal.  Do your research
on PETA outside the PETA site.. you'll see that a lot of people agree that
PETA long ago went over the edge.

And with your views, Im going to assume you are an extreme vegetarian, and
only eat organically grown food - preferably that you grow yourself and
harvest your own seeds, don't drink milk, eat eggs, don't wear any leather -
in fact, you probably should be making your own clothing as well, or use any
type of transportation other than your own two feet.
Richard - 01 Mar 2004 12:51 GMT
> > > > Why would I not listen to PETA.  This is a great organisation who is
> > there
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> in fact, you probably should be making your own clothing as well, or use any
> type of transportation other than your own two feet.

I am not a vegetarian although I do not eat much meat.  The meat that I eat
do not come from supermarket where the meat come from farm factories where
animals  had antibiotics and growth hormones and live a life of total
misery.  I buy my meat from a farmer I know where the animals are free in a
large  field ( I have visited the farm) and do not take growth hormones and
antibiotics.

PETA may use tactics that you do not like but the goal is always to make
people think and stop the cruelty against animals.  I do not see how anybody
who love animals could be against anything that can help stop cruelty.

         Richard
Richard - 28 Feb 2004 23:33 GMT
Thanks all for your answers.

            Richard

> Hi,
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>                   Richard
JoJo - 29 Feb 2004 19:29 GMT
Pet food manufacturers have to follow regulations just like people food
manufacturers do.  They should not use dead/diseased animals, and if they
are above board, don't.  If PETA suspected otherwise they should turn the
offending company into the FDA.  Check w/the BBB as well, maybe they can
give you information.

And I'm with Connie - PETA is too radical, do you believe everything you
read?  One off the wall campaign they ran was for people to drink beer
instead of milk - since when does beer contain calcium and nutrients
contained in milk?

Support the Humane Society or ASPCA instead of radicals like PETA.  Come on,
Pam Anderson is a spokesperson - how serious can one take that?
> Thanks all for your answers.
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> >                   Richard
 
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