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Kyoto the Siamese
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Jeffrey Len Street - 11 Feb 2004 00:48 GMT HELP, I NEED INFORMATION
A friend of mine had 2 purebreed siamese cats, boy and girl, and they are very cool and grew up indoors around dogs. On xmas they gave birth to 6 kittens... then my friend got sick and decided to give the kittens away because he couldn't watch over all of them. On Friday I took one.
Now the help.
How to I take care of this little boy? My apartment is all computers and TVs, and wires and fishtanks... I work from 7am to 6pm... and I got to sleep.
During the weekend he slept in the family room on the couch with me, but last night I put him in the bathroom at midnight to 6am, and when at work he is in the bathroom too.
Now I see that on my lease I cannot have pets but if I keep him for 3 months or get a letter from a doctor (best friend is a doctor) I can keep him. I don't want to get rid of the little guy.
One thing is, he likes to talk, and I do not what my neighbors to hear him, and the second thing is I do not want him to get injured when I am away.
So, how do I kitten proof my game room, and how do I get him to be a little more quiet? And how do I stop him from play biting my hand, and well, how do I protect him so I can keep him? Money isn't an object, so pet care is taken care of... how much kitten play time is enough? Help, help, help...
--Kane
~*Connie*~ - 11 Feb 2004 10:04 GMT LOL... what a cutie!
I hate to tell you this, but Siamese cats talk.. they have always been talkers, they always will be talkers. You can train a cat, but that is a bit of work, and you have to do it on their terms.. give them something to do. Look into clicker training for cats. Make a point to get up about half an hour earlier than you do for play time with the kitten, then make about half an hour at night for it as well. Once the kitty gets older, half an hour at night is good as long as it is quality.. one on one.. Get a couple of good interactive toys as well. Change the toys on a regular basis.
Unless your kitty has a tendency to chew on wires, the tvs and computers aren't much of an issue. Although I did have one group of kittens that loved "surfing the net" aka walking over the keyboard and doing strange things to my computer if I left it on. Observe what trouble your kitty gets into when your not having play time. Do what you can to minimize those risks. Do not let him walk on top of the fish tank... cause of now, he's light, but if he gets used to it, the cover probably wont hold him once he's nine+ pounds.
You get him to stop biting your hands by not using them to play. If he is biting your hands immediately meow in an 'ow" sort of way.. very whine-y, like a kitten meow.... and stop moving. he should immediately stop and look at you quite puzzled. Kittens scream at each other this way when play gets too aggressive. its how they learn limits. if he gets right back into it, do the ow again, and put the kitten down. Do not scold the kitty for this, as they don't understand that. Praise him for stopping the biting.
There is nothing wrong with caging a kitten if he is destroying your house when your not around. Just make sure to work with him when you are home to teach him what is right and wrong. I personally - and I do break the 'rules" when it comes to this, do "hit" my cats to teach them when they are doing something wrong.. HOWEVER.. they have lots of warnings that it is coming, some very strong NO's or DOWN commands, using the kitten's name.. and then if they don't respond by stopping, I walk over very forcefully and with purpose, still saying the no or down.. and if they don't respond, then a slight tap on the rump or nose.. something they do not like but does not hurt them. I feel I should be able to shout at my kitty and have it respond, on the off chance they get into something that could seriously harm them, and walking across the room or finding a squirt bottle would take too long. I personally find a squirt bottle doesn't work. However, all of my cats HATE canned air. Don't even need to shoot it in their direction after the first initial..
as for kitten proofing. Do not leave strings, tie wraps, elastics, small shiny objects, or anything else a kitten might enjoy eating or playing with that aren't appropriate around. Nothing dangling off shelves. Watch your kitten to see what he is attracted to, and you can tailor appropriate toys, and remove any dangers.
Pamela Johnson Bennett has some great books out there on cat/kitten behavior.
> HELP, I NEED INFORMATION > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > --Kane NickKnight - 11 Feb 2004 16:45 GMT >Now I see that on my lease I cannot have pets but if I keep him for 3 months >or get a letter from a doctor (best friend is a doctor) I can keep him. I >don't want to get rid of the little guy. I've rented lots of apartments over the years, never heard of a place that allows no pets but lets you keep them after 3 months. -------------------------------------------- "Finally a member of the Jackson family finds another young boy to victimize." -------------------------Jimmy Fallon on SNL referring to Justin Timberlake
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MaryL - 11 Feb 2004 20:38 GMT > >Now I see that on my lease I cannot have pets but if I keep him for 3 months > >or get a letter from a doctor (best friend is a doctor) I can keep him. I > >don't want to get rid of the little guy. > I've rented lots of apartments over the years, never heard of a place > that allows no pets but lets you keep them after 3 months. > -------------------------------------------- This may be a variation of a rule that was enacted when I was renting. The apartment changed policies from a "small pets permitted" rule to a "no pet" rule. However, they permitted those of us who were already tenants to keep our pets if we had established a certain period of residency. This was a good many years ago, so I don't remember what the "period of residency" was. The manager actually told me that I was one of the reasons for the exception because they only had a few tenants with pets, and they knew I would move out if they tried to establish a "no pets" rule for me.
As I said, my guess is that this may be a variation of that rule -- in the current instance, sort of an "if you don't get caught first," the exception applies (but probably not what was actually intended).
MaryL
Jeffrey Len Street - 12 Feb 2004 00:09 GMT In NYC, if you do not hide the animal for 3 months you can keep him...
http://www.lawmall.com/petlaw/
So, I do not hide him, but I do not take him for a walk either...
I still need help on his mouth though... boy, can he talk :)
> > >Now I see that on my lease I cannot have pets but if I keep him for 3 > months [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > MaryL MaryL - 12 Feb 2004 04:55 GMT > In NYC, if you do not hide the animal for 3 months you can keep him... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I still need help on his mouth though... boy, can he talk :) That's an interesting article. I see there is a connection with New York's rent control law (something we do not have here).
You mentioned fish tanks. Be sure to keep them covered (a necessity for many fish, anyway, because some will jump out of a tank). Otherwise, there should be no problem having a cat in an apartment with fish tanks.
I wish I could be of some help with the "noisy" cat, but this is a problem I have never had. I can tell you that Siamese are known to be vocal. Your kitten needs lots of toys and also needs space where he can be active. This may conflict with your need to keep people unaware of his presence, but exercise is essential for any cat (and especially for a young one). Siamese, in particular, are noted for their love of jumping from one piece of furniture to another. Do you have space that is carpeted? That would help muffle the noise. Also, a sturdy cat tree would help. My cats love to clamber around on the cat tree, and that provides lots of activity and exercise without being noisy. It would be a good idea to leave a radio playing while you are gone. Tune to a channel with classical or "easy listening" music. That would provide a soothing atmosphere for the cat and might also help to muffle sounds. If it weren't for the problem with your lease, I would suggest a second cat as a companion and playmate for your cat. However, the lease imposes such a problem that this isn't a valid solution.
My cats sleep with me. They also will get on and off the bed at different times during the night, but they do not disturb me until early morning. It may take time to acclimate your new kitten to your schedule, but over a period of many years each of my cats has readily adjusted to my hours.
MaryL
NickKnight - 12 Feb 2004 18:45 GMT >You mentioned fish tanks. Be sure to keep them covered (a necessity for >many fish, anyway, because some will jump out of a tank). Otherwise, there >should be no problem having a cat in an apartment with fish tanks. A number of years ago I had a fish tank and I kept hearing a "snapping" sound. I went to investigate. I found one of my cats on the fish tank trying to get the cover open. She couoldn't get the cover open because she was stadning on the cover.
>I wish I could be of some help with the "noisy" cat, but this is a problem I >have never had. I can tell you that Siamese are known to be vocal. The best solution is buy a house, become your own landlord.
Can't afford it? Around here to rent an apartment is $1200/mo. at the very least while a mortgage on a good size house is in the $600 range. (Especially when you refinance at the lowest rates we've had in 40 years).
Ulitmately if you have a cat is next to impossible keep them out of the window, keep them from making noise. I know, i've tried. Been there, done that. It doesn't work. -------------------------------------------- "Finally a member of the Jackson family finds another young boy to victimize." -------------------------Jimmy Fallon on SNL referring to Justin Timberlake
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Becks - 11 Feb 2004 23:30 GMT "Jeffrey Len Street" wrote in message...
> HELP, I NEED INFORMATION > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > last night I put him in the bathroom at midnight to 6am, and when at work he > is in the bathroom too. I don't know, sounds a bit hard to be locking your little scamp in a bathroom, on his own, for 18 hours every day during the working week. Are you absolutely sure you can't give him access to any other rooms? How about finding him a playmate? -- Becks http://www.toontalents.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Charles Montgomery Burns -- "Oh, meltdown. It's one of those annoying 'buzzwords.' We prefer to call it an unrequested fission surplus." ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~:
JM - 12 Feb 2004 11:06 GMT >I don't know, sounds a bit hard to be locking your little scamp in a >bathroom, on his own, for 18 hours every day during the working week. Are >you absolutely sure you can't give him access to any other rooms? How about >finding him a playmate? You mean well obviously but I agree, being locked in the bathroom, on his own, for most of the day, that't not nice. An indoor cat should /at least/ have a window to look out of.
JM
NickKnight - 12 Feb 2004 18:50 GMT >>I don't know, sounds a bit hard to be locking your little scamp in a >>bathroom, on his own, for 18 hours every day during the working week. Are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >his own, for most of the day, that't not nice. An indoor cat should >/at least/ have a window to look out of. And in every house/apartment i've lived in there was a window in the bathroom.
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NickKnight - 12 Feb 2004 18:49 GMT >> How to I take care of this little boy? My apartment is all computers and >> TVs, and wires and fishtanks... I work from 7am to 6pm... and I got to >> sleep. And your cats don't sleep with you? MIne sleep with me.
Put the computers into a "computer room."
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 12 Feb 2004 06:59 GMT Jeffrey, While your intentions are admirable, it is apparent your home and schedule are not appropriate for having a kitten. What I would suggest you do is kittenproof your home, take a second kitten from your friend to keep the other one company, and then work on finding them a responsible, permanent home where they will be adopted together. I don't think it will be diifficult since they are probably beautiful and this is the time before kitten season hits and kittens are in short supply. Make sure to check veterinary references, do a home visit, etc., to make sure that the kittens will be properly taken care of and will have a forever home. It would also be wise to make sure the kittens are up to date on vaccinations and spayed/neutered before they are adopted. This can be done as early as 8 weeks of age and there are many places that will do early spay/neuter. This is a win-win solution as your friend will know two of the kittens are in good hands, the kittens will have each other to play with and won't be lonely, and you'll eventually have done a really good thing when you find them a good home together.
Megan
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Linda Terrell - 12 Feb 2004 18:36 GMT > HELP, I NEED INFORMATION > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > TVs, and wires and fishtanks... I work from 7am to 6pm... and I got to > sleep.
If the kitten is going to be alone that long, you might consider getting two kittens. They will keep each other company and won't be as likely to get into things out of boredom or to "show you."
that's such a long time for a little one to be alone.
LT
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