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Janel Cobianchi - 17 Jul 2003 00:50 GMT
Hi all. I'm new to this group and was just curious to find out opinions on
the best food to feed a cat? We currently feed ours Science Diet, but was
just wondering if there might be something better. When bringing our new cat
to the vet for a checkup, she suggested Eukanuba. My dad, who is also owned
by a cat, said his vet suggested Nutro. So many brands to choose from.
Thanks in advance.

Janel
Victor M. Martinez - 17 Jul 2003 03:06 GMT
First off, canned food is better than dry food. Other than that, look at the
label. Ignore any food that contains any grain as one of the top 3 ingredients.
I also avoid brands that have grains listed twice (i.e. corn gluten and corn
flour), that is misleading. I also try to avoid by-products. Never buy
any food with artificial stabilizers, look for vitamin E instead.

Cheers.

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Michelle Fulton - 17 Jul 2003 03:53 GMT
> First off, canned food is better than dry food.

Why is canned food better?  Doesn't the dry food help keep their teeth and
gums healthy?

M
sweetGApeach - 17 Jul 2003 05:42 GMT
Actually my vet told me to take my cat off wet food because she was gaining
to much weight. All I feed my cats is dry food and they are very healthy. I
feed them Nutro.
Karen

> > First off, canned food is better than dry food.
>
> Why is canned food better?  Doesn't the dry food help keep their teeth and
> gums healthy?
>
> M
Dee - 17 Jul 2003 16:32 GMT
> Actually my vet told me to take my cat off wet food because she was gaining
> to much weight. All I feed my cats is dry food and they are very healthy. I
> feed them Nutro.
> Karen

My vet told me to hold back on the dry food because it's too high in
carbohydrates and one of my cats is very fat.  I feed them a third to a
quarter of a 5/6 oz. can of food (Wellness, Felidae...Sam'll only eat
ocean fish Iams!) twice a day, and a "lite" all natural dry food
(Flint River Valley).

Dee
Victor M. Martinez - 17 Jul 2003 15:39 GMT
>Why is canned food better?  Doesn't the dry food help keep their teeth and
>gums healthy?

Canned food is better for several reasons, among them that is more closely
mimics their "natural" diet in composition. Also, cats usually do not drink
enough water, since their bodies evolved to get all the water they need from
their food. Particularly if you have neutered males, it is imperative that
they receive adequate water in their diet. Wet food is the best way of doing
this. As for the weight issue, why would wet food make a cat fatter than
dry food? Is has more water and more protein, but no more fat. A cat will
get fat if he or she does not exercise enough. We have 5 adult cats who eat
wet food morning and night, plus have kibble available all the time for snacks.
Not one of them is even slightly overweight.
Cats are notorious bad chewers. The "dry food is better for teeth" is nothing
more than a marketing gimmick. Besides, dry food has a lot of carbohydrates,
which cats have no need for. Why feed corn to a carnivore?
If you're interested to learning more about this, I recommend the following
site:
http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

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Michelle Fulton - 17 Jul 2003 16:47 GMT
> Besides, dry food has a lot of carbohydrates,
> which cats have no need for. Why feed corn to a carnivore?

I did notice on my kitten's food that the 3rd ingredient is grits.  I was
looking at the first 3 ingredients because of your earlier post.  She seems
to be thriving on it, though, and having regular and consistant toileting.

Funny you should mention the water thing, as I was thinking that my kitten
sure drinks a lot of water.  She drinks from her bowl that is sitting next
to her food (just in case she needs water while she is eating) and then she
goes to the dogs water bowl and drinks frequently.  I guess this is a good
thing, since I don't have to worry about her getting dehydrated :-)

> If you're interested to learning more about this, I recommend the following
> site:
> http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm

Thanks, Victor :-)  I will check it out.  I will also start looking at the
ingredients when I buy food for her.

M
Shazza - 17 Jul 2003 15:53 GMT
That's what I've been told by my vet.

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Michelle Fulton wrote in message ...
>> First off, canned food is better than dry food.
>
>Why is canned food better?  Doesn't the dry food help keep their teeth and
>gums healthy?
>
>M
Victor M. Martinez - 17 Jul 2003 17:28 GMT
>That's what I've been told by my vet.

Most vets have little knowledge of feline nutrition, nothing more that what
they learned in vet school. Also, they receive a lot of "information" from
food vendors, particularly the Science Diet folks. Do you expect a food
company to be objective in their recommendations? I certainly don't, that's
why I've taken the time to do research.

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Shazza - 17 Jul 2003 18:55 GMT
Victor M. Martinez wrote in message ...

>Most vets have little knowledge of feline nutrition, nothing more that what
>they learned in vet school. Also, they receive a lot of "information" from
>food vendors, particularly the Science Diet folks. Do you expect a food
>company to be objective in their recommendations? I certainly don't, that's
>why I've taken the time to do research.

What I don't like about the dry food is that it is dry and cats have to
drink lots of water to compensate for the lack of moisture.  Cats are not
drinking natural rain water or water from a creek, but city water;
fluoridated, chlorinated, chemically treated tap water.  I believe that
fluoride was banned from the water supply in Canada as fluoride hardens the
bone, but causes major problems as well, including arthritis, bone cancer,
etc.  The US continues to pump fluoride into its water supply which is too
much fluoride because unless you brush your teeth with baking soda, you'll
get plenty of fluoride in your toothpaste.  Now the danger in the US is that
young children are getting fluoride poisoning.  Troy is right on about cats
consuming small rodents and insects and that it's the best diet for them.
Natural prey has lots of moisture.  I suppose I'll have to order filtered
water and give some to the kittens.
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Five Cats - 17 Jul 2003 21:42 GMT
>> First off, canned food is better than dry food.
>
>Why is canned food better?  Doesn't the dry food help keep their teeth and
>gums healthy?

Wet food is better in some theories as it contains more water.

The best thing for health teeth & gums is some raw food every so often.
The canned stuff seems to get well stuck round their teeth, the dried
less so but if you think of cutting a biscuit with a knife it soft of
shots through compared with cutting meat.

However a wholly raw diet needs considerable care to make sure it's
balanced, not to mention a cat that will eat all the various bits of it!

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Troy - 17 Jul 2003 07:37 GMT
> Hi all. I'm new to this group and was just curious to find out opinions on
> the best food to feed a cat? We currently feed ours Science Diet, but was
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> Janel

The best diet for a cat are rodents, small birds, and insects - not
entirely practical for most of us!

I personally don't believe wet or dry food is particularly good - both
incredibly processed and full of artifical ingredients. The problem is
that there are really no "fresh" alternatives apart from the odd fresh
meat meal which does not provide all the nutrients that a cat needs. I
make my cats homemade food which is time consuming and, initially,
takes a lot of effort to make sure that the cats are getting all the
nutrients/minerals/vitamins/food groups they need.

People will often tell you that product "X" or "Y" is the best for
your cat and everything else is inferior. I think that anyone that
believes that you can get an entire balanced diet out of a can or box
of biscats has been subject to very good advertising. Whatever you do,
provide your cat with a variety because although cats will get used to
the same food day in and day out it doesn't mean it's good for them
(also bare in mind that a cats dietry requirments are no less
complicated than ours).

As Victor said, look at the label and check the ingredients and also
remember that you get what you pay for.

There is a superb all-round meal suppliment called "The Missing Link"
http://www.designinghealth.com which contains all the good bits that
other foods may be missing. It is well worth using as I've seen such
good results (as have friends).

Good luck with your decision making!

Troy.
Spillerm4n - 17 Jul 2003 19:03 GMT
We try not feed our cat at all as she was getting too heavy. Obviously she
has plenty of water, but deprived of food, heat and light has certainly
reduced her weight considerably.
Our vet told us to do this.

> > Hi all. I'm new to this group and was just curious to find out opinions on
> > the best food to feed a cat? We currently feed ours Science Diet, but was
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> Troy.
 
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