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cat urinating all over the place?
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Chris - 11 Feb 2004 16:20 GMT My mom's young female, Soraya, is perhaps acting out.
She knows where the litterbox is, but she's been urinating on the easychair, and in the front hall frequently as of late. Could this be a territorial issue? She appears highly jealous when the other cats are with or near mom.
Any tips on how we can alleviate this?
Linda Terrell - 11 Feb 2004 18:08 GMT > My mom's young female, Soraya, is perhaps acting out. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any tips on how we can alleviate this? She may also have a UTI. Please get her to the Vet immediately.
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Chris - 11 Feb 2004 18:36 GMT "Linda Terrell" <lindat5@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:epxRkhlUwRo0-pn2-GwhNJVl2FNNd@dialup-67.31.205.160.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3. net...
> She may also have a UTI. Please get her to the Vet immediately. She doesn't. It's definately behavioral. She uses her litterbox as well. It only happens when one of our other cats sits on mom's lap, or is within 2 feet of her. She doesn't pee outside the litterbox at any other time during the day except when mom is home from work, and a cat besides her is near mom.
NickKnight - 11 Feb 2004 20:06 GMT >She doesn't. It's definately behavioral. And you know this how? Did you have a vet check things out?
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Chris - 11 Feb 2004 20:20 GMT > >She doesn't. It's definately behavioral. > And you know this how? Did you have a vet check things out? Purpose of newsgroups as opposed to vet visits would be what, exactly?
You know the answer, so don't pretend not to.
NickKnight - 12 Feb 2004 18:55 GMT >Purpose of newsgroups as opposed to vet visits would be what, exactly? As much as HMOs would like otherwise a medical diagnosis can only be done in person by medical professional who do a hands on phsical examination.
The medical professional can't actaully touch the patient. The medical professional can't run tests on the stool sample.
I've had many years of medical training, I wouldn't attempt to diagnose something like this over a computer. Ultimately you need a medical professional to intervene.
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Chris - 12 Feb 2004 22:09 GMT > >Purpose of newsgroups as opposed to vet visits would be what, exactly? > As much as HMOs would like otherwise a medical diagnosis can > only be done in person by medical professional who > do a hands on phsical examination. Couldn't answer, could ya?
NickKnight - 13 Feb 2004 21:41 GMT >Couldn't answer, could ya? Here is a hint: we can't see the cat..
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Chris - 11 Feb 2004 18:50 GMT "Linda Terrell" <lindat5@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:epxRkhlUwRo0-pn2-GwhNJVl2FNNd@dialup-67.31.205.160.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3. net...
> She may also have a UTI. Please get her to the Vet immediately. Matter of fact, she doesn't act out at all with me, only with mom around. The most she'll do during the day with me is claw some furniture alittle. What I'm asking here is, are there any tips for helping her adjust to the other cats being around? Will there ever be a point where she can accept that mom has more than one cat, and they all need attention, not just Soraya? Would they have perhaps gotten along better if they were part of the same litter? Her and Blue (the male) are closest in age, but still months apart and different in breed and temperment. He is very social with everyone, human and cat alike, and she is only social with mom first, me when mom isn't here.
At first, she wouldn't react well to the other cats being in the room at all. Over the months, this has changed for the better, but she is still behaving very territorially whenever another cat is near mom, hissing and growling. He isn't territorial at all that we can see, and doesn't have a problem even if they eat out of the same dish. I guess Blue is the get-along-with-everyone kind of cat, but she just is the exact opposite.
I can tell this is a behavioral problem and not a physical one, because she exhibits definite signs of stress, and only does so when another cat is present. This is not a time of the day condition, and has been going on for far longer than would be healthy were it a UTI, with no other symptoms displayed. She just seems generally "mean" when the other cats are near mom, and I'd like some advice from someone on how she might better adjust to such situations.
Thanks.
NickKnight - 11 Feb 2004 20:04 GMT >My mom's young female, Soraya, is perhaps acting out. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Any tips on how we can alleviate this? The first thing to do is rule out an underlying medical problem.
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Chris - 11 Feb 2004 20:18 GMT > The first thing to do is rule out an underlying medical problem. Me and the vet joked in the waiting room about the "quality" advice I've gotten from here, too.
2 post threads, and guess how many actually answered my questions?
ZERO.
Even flame-war newsgroups have better statistics.
Bilar Crais - 11 Feb 2004 20:26 GMT > Me and the vet joked in the waiting room about the "quality" advice I've > gotten from here, too. > > 2 post threads, and guess how many actually answered my questions? Perhaps your vet will have some "tips" for you that will be to your liking.
~*Connie*~ - 11 Feb 2004 23:27 GMT every single behavioral expert will tell you that you should FIRST rule out medical issues. there is no point in working on behavior, if she is urinating because of a medical issue. Yes, you believe it is behavior, and yes, it does sound like it, but there is no point in cleaning up spilt milk if the milk isn't spilt.
You did not give a whole heck of a lot of details ya know. Im assuming that a new cat was brought into the house recently. To help the old cat adjust, You'll need to do some reintroductions. Separate the cats immediately. You did not say which cat was the resident, and which cat is the new one, Im assuming that Soraya is, even though you call her the younger one. For the purposes of making this extremely clear for you, Im going to call them the resident, the one that was there first, and the newbie.. the one that came into the house and is causing the issues.
So isolate the newbie. Give it food and water and litter in a separate room. Give lots of love and attention to the resident. Establish play time. Half an hour to an hour a day with some interactive toys. something at the end of a string is good. after a day or two of this, reintroduce the newbie AFTER play time. Give lots of love and attention and treats to the resident while the new cat is around. the point is to make good things happen when the newbie is around. Mostly ignore the newbie. yes.. its hard.. but it needs to be done. Take the newbie out for longer and longer visits, until you feel comfortable that the resident cat is comfortable and no longer jealous. Continue with the play times with the resident, so that it knows that it is not being displaced, which is what Im sure it felt like when this newbie came into the house and started taking its spot in your mother's lap.
May I recommend you read any of the books by Pamela Bennett Johnson. She's an excellent author when it comes to this subject. I particularly enjoyed her book "Twisted Whiskers" "Psycho kitty?" and "Hiss and Tell" She's coming out with a new one about cats living together..
> > The first thing to do is rule out an underlying medical problem. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Even flame-war newsgroups have better statistics. Chris - 12 Feb 2004 00:53 GMT > every single behavioral expert will tell you that you should FIRST rule out > medical issues. there is no point in working on behavior, if she is > urinating because of a medical issue. Yes, you believe it is behavior, and > yes, it does sound like it, but there is no point in cleaning up spilt milk > if the milk isn't spilt. Thankyou for being on-topic, and answering my questions.
Soraya is the resident, and Blue is the newbie. It's been about a year now, and we used to have to keep them separated fully, but they've been "ok" with being in the same room more or less for afew months. The acting out part comes into play still when mom is holding or paying any direct attention to any other cat but Soraya. Soraya doesn't do this as much during feeding or treat time, as they both get treats regardless of her actions. It's happening most frequently when my mother has one of the others on her lap, or if she comes home from work and talks to one of the other cats.
We have 3 in all, Vixen being our outdoor cat, as well as the oldest, and spending most of the day and night outside. She's an alleycat, and not very sociable except at dinnertime. Vixen gets along with neither of the other 2, best we can hope for at this point regarding her is to have them all in the house without a fight. Nothing more than that happens.
Soraya and Blue will "play" now, but we still have the problem when another cat goes near mom. That's the majority of the social issue. It's been happening probably for 2 or 3 months.
NickKnight - 12 Feb 2004 19:01 GMT >Me and the vet joked in the waiting room about the "quality" advice I've >gotten from here, too. There have been a number of times where a cat had this type of problem that was thought to be behavioral problem only to be proven that it was actually a problem with a medical basis.
You show me a doctor who will diagnos stuff like this through a computer and i'll show you a doctor looking for a mal practice suit.
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Chris - 12 Feb 2004 22:11 GMT You will get no reply, as you couldn't respond to my simple question. And it didn't even require "many years" of medical knowledge to answer.
Bilar Crais - 14 Feb 2004 03:41 GMT > You will get no reply, You just did.
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