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Is Declawing a common thing where you live?

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rangitotogirl - 28 Jan 2004 20:13 GMT
As I've read through this newsgroup over the last few weeks I have been
amazed at the number of people who have said they have got their pets from
an animal shelter and they were already declawed.  For those people who have
said it, is declawing really common in your part of the world?  It just
seems like every second cat from a cat shelter is already declawed.

I've never really come across it before but I guess I don't spend a lot of
time examining other cats claws.
Ivor Jones - 28 Jan 2004 21:11 GMT
> As I've read through this newsgroup over the last few weeks I have been
> amazed at the number of people who have said they have got their pets from
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> I've never really come across it before but I guess I don't spend a lot of
> time examining other cats claws.

This has been debated many times on this and other groups. As far as I
know, it's illegal in most places in the world except North America, it
certainly is here in the UK. I have heard recently that it has been
outlawed now in California, but I have no confirmation of this as yet, can
anyone there comment..?

Ivor
~*Connie*~ - 29 Jan 2004 01:31 GMT
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> I have heard recently that it has been
> outlawed now in California, but I have no confirmation of this as yet, can
> anyone there comment..?
>
> Ivor
Victor Martinez - 29 Jan 2004 04:02 GMT
> certainly is here in the UK. I have heard recently that it has been
> outlawed now in California, but I have no confirmation of this as yet, can
> anyone there comment..?

It was banned by city ordinance in West Hollywood, California. One of
the most liberal/progressive cities in the country. Hopefully others
will follow and outlaw this horrible, inhumane practice.

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Hugo Drax - 07 Feb 2004 01:04 GMT
> > certainly is here in the UK. I have heard recently that it has been
> > outlawed now in California, but I have no confirmation of this as yet, can
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> the most liberal/progressive cities in the country. Hopefully others
> will follow and outlaw this horrible, inhumane practice.

How is a city liberal and progressive if it puts down laws affecting peoples
choices. I am not for declawing but it sounds facist.
anonymous - 07 Feb 2004 17:35 GMT
>> > certainly is here in the UK. I have heard recently that it has been
>> > outlawed now in California, but I have no confirmation of this as yet,
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>How is a city liberal and progressive if it puts down laws affecting peoples
>choices. I am not for declawing but it sounds facist.

You obviously know nothing about politics! We don't call them facists
anymore, we now call them compationate conservatives. LOL

Then again, it confuses me too, but I didn't have the guts to admit
it.
MaryL - 28 Jan 2004 22:38 GMT
> As I've read through this newsgroup over the last few weeks I have been
> amazed at the number of people who have said they have got their pets from
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I've never really come across it before but I guess I don't spend a lot of
> time examining other cats claws.

I live in East Texas.  Declawing is very common here -- I have learned
recently there are even a couple of veterinarians in town who have declawed
their cats and claim that it it not inhumane.  One the much more "plus"
side, I think it is becoming much less common as more and more people learn
what this procedure really involves.  I admit that is anecdotal, and I don't
have any statistics to back up my statement; but that certainly is my
perception based on what I see and here in this area.  We now have some very
active groups that are "spreading the word" about this barbaric practice,
behavioral problems afterward, etc. -- and about how unncessary it is, in
addition to the cruelty.

MaryL
~*Connie*~ - 29 Jan 2004 01:35 GMT
Yes, in the united states is it unfortunately all too common. A lot of vets
would rather just declaw the cats at the owners request than to try to
explain to the owners exactly what declawing is and why it is unnecessary.
For half the cost of declawing, owners can get the kind of scratching post
that kitties need/want..

not all the cats in shelters are declawed, but there is almost always one or
two in there.. and the reason for that is because when cats are declawed,
their personalities change.  Because they do not have the use of their
claws, they become much more aggressive and prone to biting instead of a
swat with their paws, which tend to hurt so long after the surgery they stop
using them for defense at all.  Also using regular litter also is painful,
so they start peeing and pooping in the middle of the bed or living room,
which again owners don't like, so they give up the poor kitty who did
nothing but be a kitty.

> As I've read through this newsgroup over the last few weeks I have been
> amazed at the number of people who have said they have got their pets from
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> I've never really come across it before but I guess I don't spend a lot of
> time examining other cats claws.
Fan - 29 Jan 2004 18:39 GMT
>Yes, in the united states is it unfortunately all too common. A lot of vets
>would rather just declaw the cats at the owners request than to try to
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>which again owners don't like, so they give up the poor kitty who did
>nothing but be a kitty.

I volunteer at a shelter and I do not believe some of these statements
to be correct. I will try to not discuss declawing as a philosophy,
just the above statements.

While a scratching post is much less than half the cost of declawing,
it does not usually produce the desired result by itself. The goal of
most people who declaw is to stop damage to drapes, furniture, etc.
Simply getting a scratching post does not stop the cat from sharpening
on furniture or from climbing drapes.

Stopping that behavior takes a lot of work. The question of whether or
not a person should be forced to do that work is at the center of the
declaw issue and I don't want to get into that here.

I have seen several cats just after declawing and have seen none that
refuse to use the litter pan because of the pain. In "the old days",
prior to ten years ago, the vets said to put shreaded newspaper in the
litter pan because of this issue. That solved the problem until the
stiches were removed.

For the last several years, the vets have used a form of super-glue
instead of stiches. Actually, super-glue was developed for surgical
use and is commonly used in animals and people. That reduced the
discomfort to an extremely low level so the litter box issue is almost
non-existant. I have also observed almost no cats with apparent
discomfort after a month, maximum.

Even the apparent discomfort during the brief time seems quite minor.
I can not even remember seeing any cats who ave stopped using their
paws for defense more than a week or so after declawing.

Even though I see thousands of cats a year, that is a small percentage
of the cat population. That said, I have never actually heard a person
say THEIR cat's personality changed or they stopped using the
litterbox immediately after declawing. I have heard many people say
that they have heard of it, but none that have actually experienced
it, as I stated above.

I use the word immediate because there is a natural change in
personality for kittens in the age range that declawing is typically
done. How do you know that a personality change over the period of
months is from declawing or from a natural progression?

I have seen cats that did not get along well with people. They too
often scratched and bit everyone who they interacted with. Most of
those cats had their claws. I have seen no significant correlation
between negative behavior and clawing/declawing.

I will stop my reply at this point as my goal was to take issue with
these statments, not to debate declawing. The issue of declawing is a
very emotional one and has been, and will continue to be, debated for
ever. There will always be people on both sides of this issue. My
observation is that there are very kind and loving people on both
sides.
Christina - 30 Jan 2004 01:18 GMT
I believe the OP simply asked if declawing was a common thing where you
lived?

That's it....it's a yes or no question.

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> >Yes, in the united states is it unfortunately all too common. A lot of vets
> >would rather just declaw the cats at the owners request than to try to
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rangitotogirl - 31 Jan 2004 05:29 GMT
> I believe the OP simply asked if declawing was a common thing where you
> lived?
>
> That's it....it's a yes or no question.

Yup, that's exactly what I asked.  Wasn't trying to start a debate, just
wanted to know whether it was common because it was almost unheard of over
here.
~*Connie*~ - 31 Jan 2004 12:20 GMT
> I volunteer at a shelter and I do not believe some of these statements
> to be correct. I will try to not discuss declawing as a philosophy,
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> observation is that there are very kind and loving people on both
> sides.

take issue with them all you want, they are the truth. I volunteer at a
shelter, I work at a vet's office.  I work with a woman who worked for the
shelter for 5 years, and has been working with the vet's office for 10.  I
have not seen these issues myself, but she has.  I have seen the declawed
cats come into the shelter, and I"ve seen WHY they come in.

 Yes, kittens take to declawing a lot better than older cats do, but lots
of people have older cats declawed. Lots of cats are declawed and are fine
with it.  A lot are not.  End of debate.

And yes. there are a lot of loving people on both.  the owner of the clinic
where I work has all his cats declawed.  However, there are a lot of people
who say to me - "oh if I had only known" when I start talking about the
realities of declawing and the POSSIBLE side effects - the biting, the
resistance to the litter, the increased aggression.

And lastly.  If someone is not willing to work to train a pet, they should
get a gerbil or a hamster or fish!
Cats are not throw away animals  - at least they shouldn't be.  but looking
at the number of abandoned cats in the world, unfortunately not too many
people hold that belief.  I look forward to the day when cats are
registered, and like dogs, to get one you have to spend a couple of hundred
dollars.
Chris Street - 30 Jan 2004 18:37 GMT
>As I've read through this newsgroup over the last few weeks I have been
>amazed at the number of people who have said they have got their pets from
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>I've never really come across it before but I guess I don't spend a lot of
>time examining other cats claws.

AFAIK it's illegal in the UK and in almost all of Western Europe.
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