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Cat Forum / General Topics / January 2004Advantage or Frontline
Hiya all :) Please don't flame me for not doing any research... but the time has come for our new rescue kitties to leave the house and go outside to play :) They don't know this yet, but they'll be going to the *cough* V.E.T...*cough* to be registered, and w're looking into getting PROGRAM for them. Apparantly it kills the flea's life cycle, but not the actual adult flea? Of course, for PROGRAM to work, the flea actually has to BITE? Ewww. Anyway - what's to stop an adult flea from falling off the cat onto our carpet prior to biting the cat? SO, I'd like to get some flea killer, like Frontline or Advantage - anyone used both of these that can comment on the differences? TIA!  SignatureLiddle Feesh *fap fap fap fap* <>< <>< <>< <>< ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< . , .:/ . ,,///;, ,;/ . o:::::::;;/// >::::::::;;\\\ ''\\\\\'" ';\ ';\ > Hiya all :) > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > SO, I'd like to get some flea killer, like Frontline or Advantage - anyone > used both of these that can comment on the differences? I've used Advantage, it's brilliant, turns your cat into a walking flea killer..! Currently using Stronghold though as it also kills roundworm and getting worming pills down my Missy's throat isn't worth the hassle :-)) Ivor I always used Frontline for Henri it was good dont use anything for Wilson as he doesn't go out and doesn't have flee's thank the Lord Jean P. > > Hiya all :) > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Ivor Hi there. first things first.. if you don't let the little one out, you wont have to worry about fleas.. they'll have a longer life span, and will be healthier. and you wont need to buy either frontline or advantage now.. both advantage and frontline work the same. you put it on their skin, it absorbs into the oil glands, and then is redistributed through the glands, and it kills the fleas when they jump on your pet. its not an immediate thing, but it does kill them. Yes, they will jump off your pet and get into your carpet, but they need to jump back on the pet to feed, so if they are protected, then you shouldn't have to worry about an infestation. Advantage is a good choice for cats who have fleas who aren't going to go out, or who are in an area that does not have ticks, as it does not kill ticks. Frontline does. the price is about the same, but because it doesn't kill ticks, advantage has less chemicals in it, which some people find to be a bonus (for their indoor cats, as we have a huge tick problem around here) again, please consider keeping your cats in. They aren't any happier going outside (there has been research done by the experts) and you don't have to risk them being eaten by wildlife, being hit by a car, or running into mean kids who would torture your beloved kitten. > Hiya all :) > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > ''\\\\\'" ';\ > ';\ > Hi there. > > first things first.. if you don't let the little one out, you wont have to > worry about fleas.. they'll have a longer life span, and will be healthier. > and you wont need to buy either frontline or advantage Awww. I dunno - these two kitties are happish to stay inside, but they really want to go out - they spend a lot of their time (maybe 8-10 hours every 24) staring outside, sitting on windowsills... > now.. both advantage and frontline work the same. you put it on their skin, > it absorbs into the oil glands, and then is redistributed through the > glands, and it kills the fleas when they jump on your pet. its not an > immediate thing, but it does kill them. Yup. I've got some "Spot-On" that I've purchased over the counter, I haven't used any yet, it was just in case I needed some. I'd rather go with something a little more mainstream though. > Yes, they will jump off your pet and get into your carpet, but they need to > jump back on the pet to feed, so if they are protected, then you shouldn't > have to worry about an infestation. What about jumping back on ME to feed? > Advantage is a good choice for cats who have fleas who aren't going to go > out, or who are in an area that does not have ticks, as it does not kill > ticks. Frontline does. the price is about the same, but because it doesn't > kill ticks, advantage has less chemicals in it, which some people find to be > a bonus (for their indoor cats, as we have a huge tick problem around here) I think we'll be Frontlining then. I don't know this area's flora and fauna particularly well, but it's South England... not really known for a tick population, but there's some light woodland near our house that probably has some. > again, please consider keeping your cats in. They aren't any happier going > outside (there has been research done by the experts) and you don't have to > risk them being eaten by wildlife, being hit by a car, or running into mean > kids who would torture your beloved kitten. I guess each to their own. I'm worried about letting them out - strange as it may seem, I feel now how my parents must have felt letting me out for the first time :D What are the risks? Animals? Naah, none here. Other cats only. A couple of dogs. And LOADS of birds and some small squirrels. No foxes. Definately no snakes and birds! Getting run over? Hmmm - not here where I live - it's quite unlikely, we do have roads - but they are unadopted (i.e. not public) roads and they have speed bumps every 10 or so meters. Never had a problem with cats getting run over. In fact, most of the cats here think they are invulnerable to cars for this reason. Quite often I have to stop my car. Get out and move our neighbours cat out of the road before driving on. Not all cats are like this (this one thinks he could stop a car with his stare!). Mean kids? The thought makes me VERY angry. SignatureLiddle Feesh *fap fap fap fap* <>< <>< <>< <>< ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< . , .:/ . ,,///;, ,;/ . o:::::::;;/// >::::::::;;\\\ ''\\\\\'" ';\ ';\ > Yup. I've got some "Spot-On" that I've purchased over the counter, I haven't > used any yet, it was just in case I needed some. I'd rather go with > something a little more mainstream though. NEVER, EVER use over-the-counter flea medications. They are dangerous and have killed many cats. > What are the risks? > > Animals? Naah, none here. Other cats only. A couple of dogs. And LOADS of > birds and some small squirrels. No foxes. Definately no snakes and birds! So, the risks are to the animal population? SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > Yup. I've got some "Spot-On" that I've purchased over the counter, I haven't > > used any yet, it was just in case I needed some. I'd rather go with > > something a little more mainstream though. > > NEVER, EVER use over-the-counter flea medications. They are dangerous > and have killed many cats. Hmm. This one seems reputable: http://www.bobmartin.co.uk/products/catalogue/K0157.htm > > What are the risks? > > > > Animals? Naah, none here. Other cats only. A couple of dogs. And LOADS of > > birds and some small squirrels. No foxes. Definately no snakes and birds! > > So, the risks are to the animal population? What, the birds? Haven't seen a cat manage to get one yet. They stay up high in the trees, and the cats all sit at the bushes waiting for one to drop! I doubt our cats could manage a squirrel. SignatureLiddle Feesh *fap fap fap fap* <>< <>< <>< <>< ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< . , .:/ . ,,///;, ,;/ . o:::::::;;/// >::::::::;;\\\ ''\\\\\'" ';\ ';\ > Hmm. This one seems reputable: > > http://www.bobmartin.co.uk/products/catalogue/K0157.htm How exactly is it that you judge it's reputable? It doesn't even list the ingredients!!! SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > Hmm. This one seems reputable:> > > > http://www.bobmartin.co.uk/products/catalogue/K0157.htm > > How exactly is it that you judge it's reputable? It doesn't even list > the ingredients!!! Cat's Protection League recommendation. However, Advantage and Frontline as well as Program are highly reputable. I haven't heard a bad thing about them. I will be speaking to the vet in... oooh, 8 hours. SignatureLiddle Feesh ' O 0 o <"//>< ' o'^ (Remove UNDERPANTS to reply) > So, the risks are to the animal population? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I doubt our cats could manage a squirrel. I hate cat owners who are in denial. Cats can kill just about anything that is smaller than them. The first cat I lived with used to leave beaks and feet in our garage all the time. All the time I hear of squirrels and chipmunks being caught and dragged into the owners house and let go, for owners to catch or to dispose of bodies. most of the wildlife you described are a danger to your cat. a determined bird to get away could peck his eye out. Not to mention the risk of rabies from wild animals. another cat could have FIV or FIP or FeLv, and infect your cat and kill it that way, they could get into a fight and he could get a nasty nasty abscess like the cat we took in the other day who bleed out all over the owner because it ruptured. The cats are sitting staring out the window because that is what is called Cat TV. They probably have nothing better to do in the house. trust me, they don't need to go out. I have five.. none of them do, and none of them want to. If your determined to let them out, be aware of the risks.. chances are they will get lost and wont come home or could come home severely injured and cost you hundreds of dollars to either fix or to have the pet humanely euthenized. As for over the counter products flea products, Ive got to tell you, I see cats come in ALL the time that have had reactions to them. (I work for a vet) Why risk it. Spend the extra dollar and get something that is known to be effective, and wont kill your cat. Or is your cat not worth it to you? > I hate cat owners who are in denial. Sounds like you hate a lot of things! I find my cats calm me down after a hard days work! > Cats can kill just about anything that > is smaller than them. Yup. Sometimes even rabbits which would be a little larger than my smallest cat. > The first cat I lived with used to leave beaks and > feet in our garage all the time. All the time I hear of squirrels and > chipmunks CHIPMUNKS? Where the hell do you live? Canada? > being caught and dragged into the owners house and let go, for > owners to catch or to dispose of bodies. most of the wildlife you described > are a danger to your cat. a determined bird to get away could peck his eye > out. Oh gee, maybe so. But it's an adult CAT for goodness sake, not a declawed fluffy kitten or a teddybear, or even an aibo... > Not to mention the risk of rabies from wild animals. Small risk in the UK. Cats in England going out are pretty common here, and the injury rate is pretty low. That said, we have had experience of horrific cat injury from an outward bound cat... Don't really want to go into details. > another cat could > have FIV or FIP or FeLv, and infect your cat and kill it that way, they > could get into a fight and he could get a nasty nasty abscess like the cat > we took in the other day who bleed out all over the owner because it > ruptured. Same could happen to you too. I do quite a lot of consultancy in hospitals... where similar things (and worse) happen. > The cats are sitting staring out the window because that is what is called > Cat TV. They probably have nothing better to do in the house. trust me, > they don't need to go out. I have five.. none of them do, and none of them > want to. Cat TV :) I quite like that, our cats love it. Maybe it's cos the radiator is under the windowsill so it's nice and warm. > If your determined to let them out, be aware of the risks.. chances are they > will get lost and wont come home or could come home severely injured and > cost you hundreds of dollars to either fix or to have the pet humanely > euthenized. "Chances are"? It won't cost me any "dollars" to "fix" them. Both the RSPCA and the CPL both agree that our street is a wonderful place to house new cats. In the next few years, I am opening a new office in Canada near Toronto. When that happens, and if we both decide to immigrate properly to handle the affairs - our cats will almost 100% likely have to live indoors... But here in the UK, it's a different story. > As for over the counter products flea products, Ive got to tell you, I see > cats come in ALL the time that have had reactions to them. (I work for a > vet) Why risk it. Spend the extra dollar and get something that is known > to be effective, and wont kill your cat. Or is your cat not worth it to > you? Based on discussions with the Cats Protection League (CPL) who actually recommended this product, I have decided against it... We're taking both the cats to their new vets in the morning. Hopefully they'll be able to advise us on the Program/Frontline/Advantage. One last question though - does having Program negate the need for Frontline or Advantage? Or, to put it another way, if the cat is on Frontline, will they also need Program - or is Frontline/Adv really sufficiently effective? Thanks in advance! ) LF SignatureLiddle Feesh ' O 0 o <"//>< ' o'^ (Remove UNDERPANTS to reply) > In the next few years, I am opening a new office in Canada near Toronto. > When that happens, and if we both decide to immigrate properly to handle the > affairs - our cats will almost 100% likely have to live indoors... But here > in the UK, it's a different story. If you think there is a possibility that you will move to an area where the cats would need to live indoors, then it is particularly important to *keep* them as indoor cats now. It will be much easier on both you and the cats if you do not have to convert them from indoor/outdoor cats at some later date to indoor only. Do you have a cat tree? If not, that would be a good investment. Mine love theirs, and they get lots of pleasure and exercise from it. If you would like to view the one I have, scroll down toward the bottom of the photos (left side) within the second link under my signature. Good luck with your kitties. I really enjoyed your video. MaryL (take out the litter to reply) Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'< http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in") > If you think there is a possibility that you will move to an area where the > cats would need to live indoors, then it is particularly important to *keep* > them as indoor cats now. It will be much easier on both you and the cats if > you do not have to convert them from indoor/outdoor cats at some later date > to indoor only. That is true. I'm giving this a lot of thought at the moment. > Do you have a cat tree? If not, that would be a good investment. Mine love > theirs, and they get lots of pleasure and exercise from it. If you would > like to view the one I have, scroll down toward the bottom of the photos > (left side) within the second link under my signature. Both me and the missus loved your cat pictures! Duffy & Holly are really cute :) That cat tree is really great! Wow... Yup, our kitties are getting their own tree now, and there's a really great place for it in my office - near my desk and the Cat TV. > Good luck with your kitties. I really enjoyed your video. Thanks :D That was the first day they arrived, they were only around a few hours so were a bit unsettled. They're much more affectionate and "housecat" now. SignatureLiddle Feesh *fap fap fap fap* <>< <>< <>< <>< ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< . , .:/ . ,,///;, ,;/ . o:::::::;;/// >::::::::;;\\\ ''\\\\\'" ';\ ';\ || Hmm. This one seems reputable: || || http://www.bobmartin.co.uk/products/catalogue/K0157.htm Don't use this over the counter stuff, it really is not worth the money. Your cat won't like the spray, their worming tablets... have you ever tried to give a tablet to a cat?!! My cat has *Stronghold* from the vets. It's a tiny amount of liquid , in a one dose capsule, that gets put on his neck once a month. We get a 6mth pack when he goes for a check up. As an outdoor cat this is one of the better ones as it not only kills fleas/ticks that might bite him and prevents flea infestations but stops *ear mites*, *roundworm*, *intestinal hookworms* and prevents *heartworm disease*. It's fab. Last year when moving home we missed two months, Flea bites all over the poor thing when we let him out for the first time after being kept inside the new house for 1 month. So ask your vet, he/she will give you the best advice, remember to tell them ithey are going to be outdoor cats and about the woods nearby. My vet upped my cat from Frontline to Stronghold because of these two things. ( oh, and the fact he's a fighter!) Good luck and let us know what you bought! Vj > > Yup. I've got some "Spot-On" that I've purchased over the counter, I haven't > > used any yet, it was just in case I needed some. I'd rather go with > > something a little more mainstream though. > > NEVER, EVER use over-the-counter flea medications. They are dangerous > and have killed many cats. I have to agree on this one; Frontline/Advantage are proven products and work well. Because of the difficulty of getting pills down my Missy's throat (!) I use Stronghold, this is similar to Advantage but also kills roundworm. There is a product called Droncit that is similar and deals with tapeworm, so between the two of them I avoid serious claw injury ;-)) Ivor > Because of the difficulty of getting pills down my Missy's throat (!) I > use Stronghold, this is similar to Advantage but also kills roundworm. > There is a product called Droncit that is similar and deals with tapeworm, > so between the two of them I avoid serious claw injury ;-)) Hi Ivor, Thanks for that! How do you administer Advantage/Frontline? Our cats wouldn't eat anything added to their food (they know, you know!) and I'm sure they'd just cough up a pill. I could probably squirt something into their mouths though... i might need to take a day off work to recover! SignatureLiddle Feesh ' O 0 o <"//>< ' o'^ (Remove UNDERPANTS to reply) > Thanks for that! How do you administer Advantage/Frontline? Frontline and advantage are both liquids you put on the cat in a place they can't lick, which the only place would be between their shoulder blades. Needs to go directly on the skin, then not be touched for 8 hours ||| Thanks for that! How do you administer Advantage/Frontline? || || Frontline and advantage are both liquids you put on the cat in a || place they can't lick, which the only place would be between their || shoulder blades. Needs to go directly on the skin, then not be || touched for 8 hours *EIGHT HOURS* ???? Stronghold = 30 minutes or until dry, this is usually about 10 minutes. Vj > ||| Thanks for that! How do you administer Advantage/Frontline? > || [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Vj Im sure the recommendation on the package for stronghold is a bit longer.. I couldn't remember the exact time FL recommend and I don't have a flea issue at the moment so I don't have any in the house, but we always recommend to clients to put it on their pet right before they go to bed so they don't touch the area for at least a couple of hours. > > ||| Thanks for that! How do you administer Advantage/Frontline? > > || [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > clients to put it on their pet right before they go to bed so they don't > touch the area for at least a couple of hours. Quoting from the instructions on the Stronghold package I have in front of me: "Avoid direct contact with treated animals until the application area is dry. Keep children away from treated animals for at least 30 minutes following application of the product or until the hair coat is dry. Keep treated animals away from fires and other sources of ignition for at least 30 minutes or until the hair coat is dry." Ivor ||| ~*Connie*~ wrote: |||||| Thanks for that! How do you administer Advantage/Frontline? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] || before they go to bed so they don't touch the area for at least a || couple of hours. The time might have changed since you last encountered Stronghold, maybe they improved the product, I just read the detail right off the box :O) I have to use it every month as he goes to play in the woods and meets other cats right up close. Before bed time is the best, I agree. I put it on Busterdoggy, give him some yummy food, then he usually drops right off for a Catnap (12 hours) ;o) Vj > > Because of the difficulty of getting pills down my Missy's throat (!) I > > use Stronghold, this is similar to Advantage but also kills roundworm. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I could probably squirt something into their mouths though... i might need > to take a day off work to recover! It's a spot liquid, you squeeze the contents of the tube onto the back of the neck where they can't lick it off. Ivor > Awww. I dunno - these two kitties are happish to stay inside, but they > really want to go out - they spend a lot of their time (maybe 8-10 hours > every 24) staring outside, sitting on windowsills... In my opinion, you would be much better off if you do not introduce your cats to the outdoors. You say they are happy now but spend a lot of time on windowsills (though I hope that "8-10 hours" is somewhat of an exagerration). My Holly also likes to look outdoors, but *far* less than that. Nevertheless, she shows absolutely no interest in going outside, and I think she is far safer that way. Please consider some action toys for your cats to use indoors, such as a small laser beam. You definitely will have fewer fleas -- probably none, after awhile -- if your cats are indoor-only. As to Advantage, I think it's great! I almost never need it because both of mine are indoor cats, but I used it when I first adopted each of them, and it worked quickly and with no side effects. MaryL come on Connie people nave to do what they think regarding whether they have indoor or out door as long as they're not letting them out to a busy street of trafficI've always let a cat out when it wanted to be out and they've all lived long and happy lives except one who was extremely adventurous,and would try and get out of a window opened at the top, then he always wanted to cross the road. The one I have now will not go out under any circumstances I've tried but no dice and its a nice quiet area here Jean P. > Hi there. > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > ''\\\\\'" ';\ > > ';\ By the way, the cats we are talking about are: Small video (5MB) http://www.pluckedduck.com/files/KittyDay_Small(5MB).wmv Medium video (14MB) http://www.pluckedduck.com/files/KittyDay_Medium(14MB).wmv Large video (it's actually 30MB) http://www.pluckedduck.com/files/KittyDay_Large(35MB).wmv Just in case you were wondering :) SignatureLiddle Feesh *fap fap fap fap* <>< <>< <>< <>< ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< . , .:/ . ,,///;, ,;/ . o:::::::;;/// >::::::::;;\\\ ''\\\\\'" ';\ ';\ || By the way, the cats we are talking about are: || [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] || Liddle Feesh || *fap fap fap fap* That was nice :O) Thanks for posting it! My cat wont drink any water I put down for him, I even tried rainwater once ! I still put fresh water out for him everyday, just in case :O) Vj > SO, I'd like to get some flea killer, like Frontline or Advantage - anyone > used both of these that can comment on the differences? Use Revolution instead. It protects against fleas, ticks, heartworm, and hookworm. SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Update: Thanks to everyone who gave me their opinions and advice. Both cats went to the vets today and registered. The vets surgery was "The Ark" in Fleet (http://www.arkvetsurgery.co.uk/). For the purposes of a good archived review - we give it 5/5 :) Clean, friendly and professional. Both cats journed to the surgery well enough, but kicked up a fuss when we got them out of their carriers :D The two cats were seen promptly by the nurse on duty who examined both of them. She administered "Drontal" de-wormer to both of them as a preventative treatment and also prescribed us "Frontline". They've just had their Frontline applied a few hours ago. The packaging seems to imply that they can't be petted for about 24 hours although it doesn't say this explicitly. There, all forgiven, and about ?40.00 lighter :D SignatureLiddle Feesh *fap fap fap fap* <>< <>< <>< <>< ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< . , .:/ . ,,///;, ,;/ . o:::::::;;/// >::::::::;;\\\ ''\\\\\'" ';\ ';\ > Hiya all :) > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > TIA! We have used both treatments with good results (well no fleas :)) But we were recommended by our vet to use Frontline for the kittens, we also have a siamease cat who pulls out his hair if we use advantage on him, but like many orientals he is a bit neurotic! Hope this helps Lynsey |
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