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Cat Forum / General Topics / January 2004how many cats is too many?
im wondering how many cats is too many??? > im wondering how many cats is too many??? it really depends on your circumstances, the size of your house, and the condition you can keep them in, I have five, a friend of mine has 12. they are all loved, cared for, friendly and get vet visits at least once per year. > > im wondering how many cats is too many??? > > it really depends on your circumstances, the size of your house, and the > condition you can keep them in, I have five, a friend of mine has 12. they > are all loved, cared for, friendly and get vet visits at least once per > year. I have 8 which is too many according to my Vet. He insists that 2 is quite enough and 5 is pushing the envelope for disease. But I am managing to keep them healthy and happy. But NO MORE! (have I said that before?) until we get a bigger house. LT -- > I have 8 which is too many according to my Vet. He insists that 2 is > quite [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > LT Yup.. I agree.. the more kitties you have in one environment, the higher your risk for disease, but its because you risk bringing it in each time you bring in a new cat. but my guys have FIP exposure and one is Felv positive, and they are all in very good health. >> im wondering how many cats is too many??? > >it really depends on your circumstances, the size of your house, and the >condition you can keep them in, I have five, a friend of mine has 12. they >are all loved, cared for, friendly and get vet visits at least once per >year. I had to chuckle at that question -- it reminded me of an old song that went like this: "There once were two cats in Kilkenny. each cat thought there was one cat too many. So they fought and they fit - - they scratched and they bit -- And now there are not any!" Have as many as the law allows that you can easily afford to maintain properly. > > im wondering how many cats is too many??? > > it really depends on your circumstances, the size of your house, and the > condition you can keep them in, I have five, a friend of mine has 12. let me ask you someting....your friend the one that has a dozen cats...does he or she seem kinda strange at alll.............just wondering about the relationship between having many cats in da house and mental illness....what do you tihnk........................................... > *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeed.com *** > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > and mental illness....what do you > tihnk........................................... I think you have a fundamental perceptual handicap. You've managed to convince yourself that people who own multiple cats are mentally unstable. Such delusions are a sign of rmental instability. Seek counselling now. LT > im wondering how many cats is too many??? No such thing as too many! ;-) Seriously? I think the magic number is how many you are able to love, feed, house and care for properly.  SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > im wondering how many cats is too many??? > > No such thing as too many! ;-) > Seriously? I think the magic number is how many you are able to love, > feed, house and care for properly. ive heard that there is someting in the cat poop that can make people crazy...what do you think....so if you have more than a few cats...you can lose your mind......make sense??? > ive heard that there is someting in the cat poop that can make people > crazy...what do you think....so if you have more than a few cats...you > can lose your mind......make sense??? I think you are a troll. Or a very ignorant person. SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > ive heard that there is someting in the cat poop that can make people > > crazy...what do you think....so if you have more than a few cats...you > > can lose your mind......make sense??? > > I think you are a troll. Or a very ignorant person. looks like youre the ignorant troll........... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7 631163&dopt=Abstract Schizophr Bull. 1995; 21(2): 167-71. Comment in: Schizophr Bull. 1995;21(2):173-8. Could schizophrenia be a viral zoonosis transmitted from house cats? Torrey EF, Yolken RH. NIMH Neuroscience Center, St. Elizabeths Hospital, Washington, DC 20032, USA. Studies have suggested that some cases of schizophrenia may be caused by viruses. We hypothesize that such cases may be cases of viral zoonosis transmitted primarily from house cats. Epidemiological aspects of schizophrenia and a case-control questionnaire support this hypothesis. PMID: 7631163 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=7631164 Schizophr Bull. 1995; 21(2): 173-8. Comment on: Schizophr Bull. 1995;21(2):167-71. Evaluation of Torrey and Yolken's feline viral zoonosis theory of schizophrenia. Waltrip RW 2nd. Maryland Psychiatric Research Ctr., Baltimore, 21228, USA. A formal method of evaluation is applied to a theory presented by Drs. Torrey and Yolken, which asserts that cases of viral schizophrenia are due to a zoonosis from house cats. A formal method of theory evaluation is described, and the Torrey and Yolken theory is subjected to analysis by the method. The theory is found to be weak in several areas stemming from inadequate description of both the relevant clinical population and the viral pathogenesis, as well as an incomplete examination of available data bearing on a hypothesized association between schizophrenia and cat ownership. At this point, further work is indicated at the level of theory development before proceeding with research or clinical activity. Publication Types: Comment PMID: 7631164 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > looks like youre the ignorant troll........... Two studies, both from 1995 and both saying they have a theory. Nothing published after that? Guess what that means? SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >Two studies, both from 1995 and both saying they have a theory. Nothing >published after that? Guess what that means? Their funding ran out? -------------------------------------------- "It took us 15 years to McGyver this thing." -------------------------Carter on Stargate To send me e-mail exorcise NO Spam from my e-mail address. > Their funding ran out? Perhaps, but more probably that their theories proved to be bogus. SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Just in case anyone was interested... Try reading these article found at the links provided. These are more than just theories. Toxoplasmosis is obtained by a cat who eats rodents and birds and can be transmitted to people when direct contact with feces is made. Pregnant mothers are the ones who should most be concerned. Look up cat feces on google...there's enough info about it. http://www.animed.org/cats_cat_feces.html http://www.hilltoptimes.com/archive/20000309/19.html http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/diseases/toxoplasmosis.html > > Their funding ran out? > > Perhaps, but more probably that their theories proved to be bogus. Melanie Lacasse at lacasse0296@rogers.com wrote on1/17/04 5:37 PM: > Just in case anyone was interested... > Try reading these article found at the links provided. These are more than [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/diseases/toxoplasmosis.html You are so right that handling cat feces during pregnancy is risky for the fetus. AFAIK this is widely known. It's the cat/schizophrenia link that is highly questionable...but then, that has always been the case with schizophrenia. Over the years there have been many theories concerning its etiology that don't pan out. This toxoplasmosis thing is one more fact on the side of keeping cats indoors. (Please don't flame me on this, Bob. There are arguments on both sides. But this one really does come down on the side of the indoor cat.) SignatureDiana http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-portaltomypages Sounds like so much gobblygook or whatever to me I'm 71 and have hardly ever been without a cat even when we were very young, and never caught anything from a cat and never known anybody else that caught anything from a cat. It's like everything else these days, there's always someone trying to make a name for themselves by *discovering*something, take cancer for instance,one year one thing causes it next year its something else, how long has that one been going on? If you keep yourself and your cats clean I dont think you have much to worry about. Jean P. > *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeed.com *** > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > looks like youre the ignorant troll........... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_ui ds=7631163&dopt=Abstract > Schizophr Bull. 1995; 21(2): 167-71. > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > http://www.newsfeed.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== 100,000 Groups! - 19 Servers! - Unlimited Download! =----- > > ive heard that there is someting in the cat poop that can make people > > crazy...what do you think....so if you have more than a few cats...you > > can lose your mind......make sense??? > > I think you are a troll. Or a very ignorant person. whose ignorant????? http://www.stanleylab.org/Document/research/What%20about%20the%20cats.htm CATS As part of our research on infectious agents as possible causes of schizophrneia and bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness), the Stanley Laboraratory for Developmental Neurovirology is also researching how such infectious agents could theoretically be transmitted to humans. Cats are being investigated as one possible reservoir for infections. It should be stressed that at this time we have no proof that cats are involved in causing these diseases, and we are not advocating that anyone avoid contact with their cats or otherwise change their behavior toward cats. We are merely exploring the possibility as one line of research with the goal of developing new methods for disease prevention and treatment. Why even consider cats at all? There are several reasons to do so: 1. Cats carry at least 30 infectious agents which are known to be transmitted to humans. The best known of these are rabies, the bacteria which causes cat scratch disease, and toxoplasmosis. Some pediatric cancer specialists also suspect that some childhood leukemias may be associated with a virus carried by cats but this has not been proven. 2. Areas of the world in which cats are very common (e.g. Ireland, Scandinavia) have a comparatively high prevalence of schizophrenia and areas in which cats are not common (e.g. Papua New Guinea) have a comparatively low prevalence. 3. Cats being widely kept as housepets is a comparatively recent phenomena, starting in the early-mid 19th century in England and North America. The increased prevalence of cats as housepets coincides temporally with the increased prevalence of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder according to one analysis (see E.F. Torrey and J. Miller, The Invisible Plague: Rising Mental Illness from 1750 to the Present, Rutgers University Press, to be published late 2001). 4. Two studies have reported that individuals with schizophrenia and manic-depressive illness, compared to individuals who do not have these disorders, have had greater exposure to cats in childhood. 5. Some studies have reported that individuals with first-onset schizophrenia have an increase in antibodies to toxoplasmosis. 6. There are case reports in the literature of psychiatric and behavioral abnormalities in some individuals with Toxoplasma infection 7. Some of the medications used for the treatment of schizophrenia have the ability to inhibit toxoplasma in cell culture. Relevant articles, abstracts and presentations at scientific meetings are linked below. PUBLICATIONS Could Schizophrenia Be A Viral Zoonosis Transmitted From House Cats? E. Fuller Torrey and Robert H. Yolken, Schizophrenia Bulletin, 1995 The Antecedents of Psychoses: A Case-Control Study of Selected Risk Factors E. Fuller Torrey, R. Rawlings, R.H. Yolken, Schizophrenia Research, 2000. Antibodies to Toxoplasma Gondii in Individuals With First-Episode Schizophenia. RH Yolken, S. Bachmann, I Ruslanova, E Lillehoj, G Ford, EF Torrey, Clinical Infectious Diseases, 2001 The Control Study of Schizophrenia and Affective Disorders and Toxoplasma Infection. L Qiuying, L Xiaonian, L Li, et al. Acta Academiae Medicinae Hubei, 1999. (TABLES ONLY AT THIS TIME) PRESENTATIONS AT SCIENTIFIC MEETINGS The Epidemiology of Severe Psychiatric Disorders: Is It Time To Put The Cat Out? E. Fuller Torrey M.D., Stanley Foundation Research Program http://www.stanleylab.org/Document/abstracts/Torrey's%20Toxo%20abstract.htm Molecular Systematics of Toxoplasma gondii and Related Coccidia: Expanding the Range of Distinguishing Characters for Taxonomy, Systematics and Diagnostics. John R. Barta, Department of Pathobiology, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, Canada http://www.stanleylab.org/Document/abstracts/Barta's%20toxo%20abstract.htm TOXOPLASMA INFECTION AND BEHAVIOURAL CHANGES--ANIMAL MODEL. Rick Holliman, St. George's Hospital and Medical School, London, UK http://www.stanleylab.org/Document/abstracts/Holliman's%20toxo%20abstract.htm MOLECULAR PATHOGENESIS OF TOXOPLASMOSIS. Vernon B. Carruthers, Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, Baltimore, Maryland http://www.stanleylab.org/Document/abstracts/caruthers%20toxo%20abstract.htm THE INFLUENCE OF LATENT TOXOPLASMOSIS ON HUMAN PERSONALITY. Jaroslav Flegr, Department of Parasitology, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic http://www.stanleylab.org/Document/abstracts/Flegr's%20toxo%20abstract.htm TOXOPLASMA ANTIBODY TITERS IN TREATMENT NAIVE FIRST EPISODES OF SCHIZOPHRENIA. John Gilmore , University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, NC http://www.stanleylab.org/Document/Gilmore's%20toxo%20abstract.htm ARTICLES IN GENERAL INTEREST PERIODICALS Do Cats Cause Schizophrenia? http://www.stanleylab.org/Document/cat%20press%20release.htm > http://www.stanleylab.org/Document/research/What%20about%20the%20cats.htm > > CATS ...much snipped to prevent narcolepsy... 9 out of 10 voices in my head are telling me not to shoot. LT Ze alluring may be right about that, she\he already sounds a bit crazy Jean P. > > ive heard that there is someting in the cat poop that can make people > > crazy...what do you think....so if you have more than a few cats...you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov > Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeed.com *** > > im wondering how many cats is too many? Two more than I have currently. ;~) I've been able to slowly integrate needy newcomers one at a time, because once you have X, Y doesn't seem to be much more trouble, but my goodness, Z certainly would be "too many". Never mind the fact that I've long since gone past what I originally thought a "sane" person "needed". Perhaps I *don't* "need" this many, but *they* certainly NEED me. Right now, I'm at my upper limits because I'm out of space for more litter boxes. Folks that come in the front door are always surprised at how many cats we have, because usually only one or two are visible at a time. But, folks that come in the laundry room door are always surprised that we don't have *more* cats, because of the number of litter boxes there. And for the curious, I'm owned by Layla, Q, Rosebud, Biscotti, Sambar, Polar, Onslow, Samantha, and Tazio, plus a small colony living in the barn composed of "unadoptable ferals" that were scheduled for euthanasia at the shelter. Only Polar was "to the manor born", and that's because his mama was rescued by a lady who didn't know she could spay a very far along female. Every other one either wandered up to us from somewhere with no owner claiming them, or were special needs shelter cats that I fostered. It's funny, but the relatively healthy fosters weren't that hard to return to the shelter because I knew they'd easily find homes. It's the very sickly, battered, and broken ones that I know will be difficult to find the right homes for that I get so attached to and have kept. > > *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeed.com *** > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > sickly, battered, and broken ones that I know will be difficult to find the > right homes for that I get so attached to and have kept. I'd just like to say as the cat steps on my keyboard that you are a very kind person for fostering cats and having all those cats living in your home. Tina > to the shelter because I knew they'd easily find homes. It's the very > sickly, battered, and broken ones that I know will be difficult to find the > right homes for that I get so attached to and have kept. Bless you for being such a kind soul. We need more people like you. Best regards. SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Sunbursts to you Sunflowerfor being an Angel to these poor cats, you'll get your rewards in heaven where the cats and I hope you wont arrivefor a very very long time the world needs people like you Jean P. > > *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeed.com *** > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > sickly, battered, and broken ones that I know will be difficult to find the > right homes for that I get so attached to and have kept. |
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