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Flees biting kitten and ....... ME!
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Asfand Yar Qazi - 13 Jan 2004 22:38 GMT Heya,
Sorry for cross-posting. Don't know which group to send to..
So, got this kitten from Charlton in South-east London. Absolute bargain, only £20. Crazy little blogger. Does really stupid things. Now about a year old.
But, since he's been going outside, a worrying phenomenon has started.... SCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCH SCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCH SCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCH SCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCH
And that's just us humans. The poor cat wakes up suddenly at times and viciously attacks various parts of his skin.
What can we do? I've checked this website: http://www.yourfamilyshealth.com/family_health/pets/fleas/
and it says to vaccum regularly could have an affect. We can't really afford exterminators and stuff right now.
Would this not have happened if we didn't let him inside, and trained him to stay inside all the time?
btw, as a side note, does anyone have any advice for us poor humans? Any cream we can put on our skins to stop the biting? Oh, and will washing duvets kill them?
Thanks, Asfand Yar
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~*Connie*~ - 13 Jan 2004 23:28 GMT there is nothing you can do outside of flea spray and frontline or advantage or other flea medication from your vet for your pet. Fleas are notorious for being hard to kill. You can bath your cat to help, but the fleas are living in your environment and there is nothing that will kill the eggs, so you need something that will treat for several months.
Good luck.
> Heya, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > -- > http://www.it-is-truth.org/ Tina Laitinen - 14 Jan 2004 01:00 GMT I subscribe to a news letter called Handy Hints and one newsletter gave a few helpful flea tips. Here they are enjoy. I don't know if they work or not but my sister tried the salt one and she got a couple of hundred fleas in her vaccumn bags. My mum tried it to. Salt is cheap to you can probably get it at the dollar store or whereever.
Tina
Sprinkle dry Clorox 2 onto your carpet, let it set for 30 minutes and then vacuum as usual. Be sure to emptythe bag. Because it will be infested with fleas."
If your animal sleeps on their own pet bed, make sure it has cedar chips in the stuffing. Cedar chips help repel fleas...
Fleas don't like garlic powder or brewer's yeast. Sprinkle affected areas with either one...Adding a few sprinkles of either one to your animal's daily diet will also help in controlling fleas on the animal.
Sprinkle salt all over the carpet and leave overnight, the next morning, vacuum thoroughly. Fleas will eat the salt, but cannot tolerate it and will, how do I say this kindly...EXPLODE internally..
Avon's Skin-so-soft was mentioned as a flea deterrant when rubbed into the animal's coat.
If you don't have that available, boil a lemon, cut in half with some water (1 or 2 cups) for a few minutes.Cool, strain and put into a spray bottle. Spray youranimal's fur. Be careful around their eyes and in fact, if you want to apply some to your pet's face, spray the lemon mix on your hand and apply it that way to be safe.
If you want to make sure you do have fleas in your house, mix liquid soap and water in a shallow pan or bowl and place it near a light on the floor. In a day or two you should see the the little bugger floating face down or face up (hard to tell with a flea).
Pour a little white vinegar in your pet's drinking bowl daily. This will help build up a natural flea repellant within the animal...
~*Connie*~ - 14 Jan 2004 02:13 GMT a lot of these sound toxic to the cats
> I subscribe to a news letter called Handy Hints and one newsletter gave a > few helpful flea tips. Here they are enjoy. I don't know if they work or [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Pour a little white vinegar in your pet's drinking bowl daily. This will > help build up a natural flea repellant within the animal... Melanie Lacasse - 14 Jan 2004 02:59 GMT yeah I wouldn't be putting Clorox for one on any floors that my cat would have access to. I'm sure it would harm your cat if inhaled or ingested. Also lemon has a high acid content and cats skin is very sensitive...it may result in a rash or very dry skin. I would call your local vet or pet store and see if they have some practical and inexpensive ways to controlling your flea problem...both for your home and your pet. Hope this helps!
> a lot of these sound toxic to the cats > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Pour a little white vinegar in your pet's drinking bowl daily. This will > > help build up a natural flea repellant within the animal... Tina Laitinen - 14 Jan 2004 03:52 GMT > yeah I wouldn't be putting Clorox for one on any floors that my cat would > have access to. I'm sure it would harm your cat if inhaled or ingested. Also [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > > Pour a little white vinegar in your pet's drinking bowl daily. This will > > > help build up a natural flea repellant within the animal... The salt one is very inexpensive and it's been tried already. Salt is not toxic to cats and the fleas just love it. My mum tried it and she said it got all the fleas out of her carpet.
Tina
Asfand Yar Qazi - 14 Jan 2004 11:59 GMT > The salt one is very inexpensive and it's been tried already. Salt is not > toxic to cats and the fleas just love it. My mum tried it and she said it > got all the fleas out of her carpet. > > Tina Many suggestions here: I will try as many as I can. Thanks a lot :-)
God bless, Asfand Yar
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 15 Jan 2004 03:07 GMT > Many suggestions here: I will try as many as I can. Thanks a lot :-) Here are a few more, from www.drweil.com (though I got it via a mailing list).
----begin paste---- Tip: Fending off Fleas
Fleas can be a nuisance, especially if your home has pets that frequently go outdoors. To treat your animal companions, an effective natural product is Flea 'N Tick Be Gone, which is based on plant enzymes. If you want to get rid of fleas in your home, you can try pyrethrins, the active insecticidal ingredients found in chrysanthemum extracts. These will kill the fleas, degrade rapidly in the environment and are relatively nontoxic to humans (although it can aggravate asthma). Neem, a powerful insecticide obtained from a tree in India, is also an option, as is diatomaceous earth. This is the fossilized "skeleton" of a one-celled sea algae often used by organic farmers to kill insects - try sprinkling it on carpets, furniture and areas where fleas tend to hide. ----end paste----
rona
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Dennis Carr - 14 Jan 2004 04:40 GMT > Also > lemon has a high acid content and cats skin is very sensitive...it may > result in a rash or very dry skin. Not to mention that cats tend to not like citrus.
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Shaggin - 26 Jan 2004 22:36 GMT Would think that sprinkling salt on your carpet even though you vaccum it wold leave behind some grains of salt that could be an attractant for ants... unsure though.
Sylvia M. - 14 Jan 2004 06:45 GMT > there is nothing you can do outside of flea spray and frontline or advantage > or other flea medication from your vet for your pet. Fleas are notorious [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > And that's just us humans. First a poem...a very short one:
FLEAS Adam had em.
A cat does not have to go out to get fleas. Humans can bring them into the house. The flea will hop up on your sock, pants, etc, and accept the ride. Once in, it's everybody's. So are it's progeny.
Good luck getting rid of them...many good ideas have been offered.
Sylvia...out from lurking ;-)
Mary - 14 Jan 2004 00:27 GMT > Would this not have happened if we didn't let him inside, and trained > him to stay inside all the time? Bingo.
Gee - 14 Jan 2004 03:10 GMT > Heya, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > -- > http://www.it-is-truth.org/ OK, if you are unemployed, or on certain benefits you should be able to have the cat seen and treated in either Blue Cross or PDSA (I think). I don;t know where you live but you should be able to get the info either from their websites or call them.
Treating the fleas is easy, not hugely expensive either, but time consuming and requires lots of washing.
Flea treatment for cats - monthly ~?10 for a top range Frontline Flea treatment for carpet - good one from the vets -do not waste money on stuff from Tesco ~?7-10
I had to do it couple of years ago. You must wash ALL the clothes and bedding, on the higher temperature the better, as fleas can jump wherever they feel like, and lay eggs which can survive a long time. You MUST Spray the caprpets as per instructions. Hoover carpet, you should have then carpet protected for about a year with one spray can. Keep putting the frontline on your kitty once a month.
Gee
Dennis Carr - 14 Jan 2004 04:42 GMT > But, since he's been going outside, a worrying phenomenon has > started.... SCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCHSCRATCH [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And that's just us humans. The poor cat wakes up suddenly at times and > viciously attacks various parts of his skin. My sympathies. Fleas isn't fun.
> What can we do? I've checked this website: > http://www.yourfamilyshealth.com/family_health/pets/fleas/ > > and it says to vaccum regularly could have an affect. We can't really > afford exterminators and stuff right now. Problem with fleas is that they are like cockroaches. They don't die except with patience and knowhow.
OK, I guess they're *un*like cockroaches, which just don't die. =^_^=
This is my suggestion then. Get yourself some Bayer Advantage, dose the cat for about 3-4 months. Keep dosing him for a few months and wait for the fleas to die. After a fashion, they will not come back.
> Would this not have happened if we didn't let him inside, and trained > him to stay inside all the time? Pretty much, but hindsight is 20/20. If the cat keeps going out, you'll have to keep dosing him with advantage, of course.
> btw, as a side note, does anyone have any advice for us poor humans? > Any cream we can put on our skins to stop the biting? Avon Skin-So-Soft is a remarkably good insect repellant. Also use aloe vera on the bite marks.
> Oh, and will > washing duvets kill them? Yeah, but the water has to be hot as hell.
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Alison - 14 Jan 2004 15:59 GMT Hi Asfand, What flea treatment have you used? It might be worth going to the vet, they can supply you with spot- on treatment that you put on once a month and a spray called Acclaim , that you use on carpets and soft furnishings. The Acclaim only has to be done once a year and kills all the eggs the fleas lay. I think dry cleaning the duvets would kill the fleas and eggs. The chemist would advise you what cream to use for fleas but any cream for insect bites would help. Also, if your cat goes outside he needs to be innoculated against cat diseases and also wormed. If you can't afford a vet , the local PDSA, RSPCA or Blue Cross might be able to help . Alison
> Heya, > > Sorry for cross-posting. Don't know which group to send to.. > > So, got this kitten from Charlton in South-east London. Absolute > bargain, only ?20. Crazy little blogger. Does really stupid things.
> Now about a year old. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > http://www.it-is-truth.org/ Ivor Jones - 14 Jan 2004 20:55 GMT > Hi Asfand, > What flea treatment have you used? It might be worth going to the > vet, they can supply you with > spot- on treatment that you put on once a month I can thoroughly recommend Advantage - it turns your cat into a walking flea killer :-))
Ivor
Sunflower - 14 Jan 2004 17:02 GMT > Heya, > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Thanks, > Asfand Yar One inexpensive aid to ridding your home of fleas is to construct a "flea trap" All you need is a night light for an electrical outlet located low down on the wall by a baseboard and a cake or pie pan or other shallow pan. Fill the pan with water and add a few squirts of dish soap mixing it up thouroughly but without making suds. When you get ready to go to bed, place the pan on the floor below the nightlight and turn the light on. In the darkness, the fleas will jump towards the light, land in the water, and because the soap breaks the surface tension that would otherwise support them on top of the water, they will sink and drown. It's pretty frightening how many you can get up in the morning and see at the bottom! For households with curious cats (isnt' that all of them?) putting a pie tin inside of a just slightly larger shallow pan can help keep you cat from turning it over and spilling the water.
This doesn't work by itself. You have to combine approaches. You MUST treat your cat for fleas using Frontline or one of the other veterinary available flea products. Don't waste your money and time and risk your cat's health by using an over the counter flea preventative on your cat. You must also treat the home environment, and that involves a lot of vacuuming. Vacuum every day, and don't forget the soft furnishings like the sofa and the drapes and the mattresses. Throw away the used vacuum bags every day and don't let them sit in the closet. I do not know what home insecticide treatments are available in the UK, but you want to purchase one (a fogger, perhaps) with an insect growth regulator. Be sure to follow the directions of any chemical you may buy, and remove the cat's food and water bowls as well as any people food that might come into contact with the chemical.
You CAN rid your home of fleas, but it's not a quick process. And, once you do so, you must be very vigilant about a reinfestation. The usual source is an animal that is allowed to go in and out, or a new animal that's infested already. If you wish to continue to allow your cat outdoor access, it's imperative that he receive the Frontline monthly and you continue to practice a lot of vacuuming and throw away the bags. It's a lot easier on you and the cat if you just restrict his access to indoors only though.
Asfand Yar Qazi - 15 Jan 2004 22:40 GMT > You CAN rid your home of fleas, but it's not a quick process. And, once you > do so, you must be very vigilant about a reinfestation. The usual source is > an animal that is allowed to go in and out, or a new animal that's infested > already. If you wish to continue to allow your cat outdoor access, it's > imperative that he receive the Frontline monthly and you continue to > practice a lot of vacuuming and throw away the bags. Great. More work. Its my brother's cat, and he's away at University 5 days a week.
> It's a lot easier on > you and the cat if you just restrict his access to indoors only though. Problem is though, that he's an outdoor animal now (he's been brought up like that I'm afraid.) My Mum, having been brought up in Pakistan with animals all her life (cats, dogs, chickens, buffalos, etc.!), can't bear to see it scratching on the door wanting to go out ("Its in its nature, I can't stop it," she says.)
Some people keep their cat outside in the shed at all times, even when they've had kittens. What are your thoughts on this?
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JP Hobbs - 20 Jan 2004 06:41 GMT > > You CAN rid your home of fleas, but it's not a quick process. And, once you > > do so, you must be very vigilant about a reinfestation. The usual source is [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Some people keep their cat outside in the shed at all times, even when > they've had kittens. What are your thoughts on this?
> NOT very nice ones. Jean P > > -- > http://www.it-is-truth.org/ Shaggin - 26 Jan 2004 22:35 GMT frontline cost me 30.00 per cat for a 3 month supply. It was well worth that price to. It worked the magic. You can bathe them and everything and the medicine stays on them bc it goes into there bloodstream and keeps being produced from there sweat or something for a month. All your cats have to do is walk around like they usually do and the fleas are attracted to them. Got rid of our fleas great!
S.A.Smitherman - 27 Jan 2004 13:54 GMT I don't recommend flea collars and drops etc because some have been known to cause cats to have toxic reactions such as seizures. The best that we have used is a product called "Flea-Busters". It may not be available there but you may be able to get it from your vet or over the internet. Basically it is composed of boric acid and baking soda. The boric acid is the main active ingredient. The baking soda is basically used to help disperse the boric acid in a larger area with less concentration of the boric acid. These chemicals (both powdered) are cheap and easily obtained. Sprinkle the mixture over your carpets and upholstery and brush them in. This will last about a year. If you shampoo the areas, reapply after the area has dried. Do not apply while the cat is in the room, don't want them to inhale the dust. It is supposed to be safe, but why take chances. After brushing in the mixture if is completely safe for animals and people. It is also odorless and safe for fabrics. I have also heard that diatomatious earth is also useful. The particles of boric acid or diotomatious earth get under the scales or platelets of the adult flea and hold them open so that the flea dehydrates and dies. Sprinkle the gardens and yard with the diotomatious earth to kill the outside fleas and other garden pests. Until they are gone, spray yourself with mosquito repellant. Vacuum often, and remove the bag from the house immediately.
jamie - 28 Jan 2004 18:38 GMT > I don't recommend flea collars and drops etc because some have been known to > cause cats to have toxic reactions such as seizures. The best that we have > used is a product called "Flea-Busters". It may not be available there but > you may be able to get it from your vet or over the internet. Basically it > is composed of boric acid and baking soda. The boric acid is the main > active ingredient. The baking soda is basically used to help disperse the Boric acid, picked up on their feet and licked off is a good deal more toxic than flea drops.
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Smitty - 31 Jan 2004 16:25 GMT That is why you must rub it in. It less toxic than flea drops when it is rubbed into the carpet and sits at the base of the pile where the fleas are!
~*Connie*~ - 31 Jan 2004 16:04 GMT totally not true. Boric acid is extremely toxic, which is why there is a skull and cross bone on the container!!! if you put it on your carpet, regardless if you rub it in or not, its going to get on your cat and your cat will ingest it!!!
Over the counter drops have a very high rate of cats having reactions, and I wouldn't recommend it on even a bad day, but I would over what you are suggesting. Anything gotten from a vet though is VERY safe. Frontline and advantage get into the oil glands and is redistributed that way (it does not get into the blood)
> That is why you must rub it in. It less toxic than flea drops when it is > rubbed into the carpet and sits at the base of the pile where the fleas are! Smitty - 07 Feb 2004 02:10 GMT You rub it into the carpet... not the cat! It kills the fleas at the base of the carpet. If it weren't safe it wouldn't be recommended by our veterinarian and marketed as a flea killer under the name of "Flea Busters". It works. We have used it with absolutely no ill effects. When the fleas are eradicated from the carpets then the ones in the cats fur eventually diminish also, and no chemicals have been applied to the animal !!!
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