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Cat Forum / General Topics / January 2007How old is your cat...please respond! Outdoor cats life expectancy only 3 years???
See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started this post. We are having a bit of a debate over how long cats live...please respond to group indicating if you're cat is indoor or outdoor and how old he or she is. And even previous cats that you've owned. I believe that most outdoor cats live past three years...I'm told that the statistics say otherwise...any opinions??? Anyone have outdoor cats that lived passed three years?...or is there more people out there who've had outdoor cats die before three years? > See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started > this post. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The statistics are correct for "outdoor" cats, but I believe they also include strays and ferals in those numbers. I'm quite sure an unvaccinated and unneutered cat won't see that third birthday. However, a cat who receives proper veterinary care and is altered will probably live at least twice that before the car or the coyote catch up with him. Up to now all my cats have been indoor \outdoor cats,One lived till it was seven yrs, one lived till it was sixteen and a half, and one lived to thirteen and a quarter, Oh and one was run over by a car, but he was an exceedingly adventurous cat, who never stayed on his own side of the road, and would get out of the house in any devious way that he could, even trying to climb out of the bedroom window once when I'd opened it at the top in an effort to stop him climbing out but I'm sure he had a death wish, as we had just recently lost our dog of 11 \ 1\2 yrs from whom he was inseperable. Jean P. > > See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started > > this post. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > receives proper veterinary care and is altered will probably live at least > twice that before the car or the coyote catch up with him. >See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started >this post. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Anyone have outdoor cats that lived passed three years?...or is there more >people out there who've had outdoor cats die before three years? The number, three years, is a statistic only, it is an average. It does NOT mean that the animal will die after three year, only that the average age at death is three years. There will be some that lived for under a year and some that lived over a decade in the sample. While I strongly believe the experts that say the life span of an outdoor cat is shorter, I do not believe the three year figure, even as an average. The numbers that I have seen suggest an average lifespan of about 1/2 that of an indoor only cat. This assumes a good diet and medical and dental care. I would expect that majority of deaths of these "outdoor" cats is injury and disease, not "old age." Obviously, "old age" is not an actual cause of death, it is a term applied to the normal process of the body wearing out naturally. My personal experience is about 17 years as a typical lifespan for indoor cats. I have seen a very few cats over 20 years old, one is currently 23. You also see humans live to over 110 years, but there too, it is extremely unusual. > >See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started > >this post. > > > >We are having a bit of a debate over how long cats live...please respond to > >group indicating if you're cat is indoor or outdoor and how old he or she > >is. And even previous cats that you've owned. ~~~~"Puss" was a beautiful big black n white dsh, he was 6 when he wandered off and didnt show up again, Bootsie was 8 when he caught the dreaded cancer/tumor, and had to be sent off peacefully by the vet, Presently we have Phoebe and Sox, both are presently 5 years old (brother n sister) and Georgie a recently adopted stray dlh - or did he adopt us - still figuring that one out! :) he's aprox a year n a half, all cats are indoor/outdoor, we have a catdoor fitted into the back door so they can come and go as they please - except it's closed after 6ish in the evening - we make sure they are IN at night. We do not have any "wild" creatures here like ~ what was it someone mentioned??? Jeeeze do they attack at day or night? 3 !!! ??? good grief !! not a chance!! at 3 we'd be saying he's/she's ONLY 3 ~ heck their little lives have only just begun! I'd be definetley looking for a life expectancy around 8 or 9 at least.. more if no particular illness comes along, and that's being conservative! 10 might be more realistic. If cat's are well looked after and have plenty of room to run outside - and are discouraged from heading toward the street! kept in at night, they should be safe from other preditors, and cars! But - I guess it all depends on where you live - and the environment - ideal for a long healthy life, or one where theres a risk around every corner!? plus I guess also you could add into the environment - is it a healthy lifestyle for the cat? - indoor outdoor plenty of room to run and exersize - or the opposite - which I doubt would contribute to a long healthy life. Weigh up them all and it either leads to a 3 year life expectancy or 10+. Mine is currently 22 or 23 and in pretty good h ealth. Goes inside and out.... .....doesn't wander far just enough to walk in the bushes. Biggest problem is her nighttime howling, which has been going on for about 4 months........and making me really tired! >>See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started >>this post. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >currently 23. You also see humans live to over 110 years, but there >too, it is extremely unusual. my cat who went outside - because he was mostly feral - disappeared around year five (i owned him for four years) my foster mother cat, who is not even a year old, id say more around 6-8 months by the shape of her teeth, just gave birth prematurely to 5 kittens, and couldn't get the 6th one out and almost died in the process. Only because I was very observant I was able to save her. She's currently at the vet on fluids, being force fed. www.webwmn.com/kittyblog this little unscientific poll is not going to help you determine the life expectancy of an outdoor cat. its been done, google and see the proof. > See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started > this post. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Anyone have outdoor cats that lived passed three years?...or is there more > people out there who've had outdoor cats die before three years? Your right...this not scientific...in fact....I never said it was....I just want to know what other people think. Anyone that I mention this to all say "WHAT"??? when I tell them I've been told an outdoor cat on average only lives to three years. It just seems like an extremely low number. But again as some have also said...there are variables...such as where you live that has to be taken into consideration. I'm sure that where you live 3 years might be the norm...I'm not arguing that...what I am debating is whether ALL outdoor cats on average only live to three. Where I grew up in Shawville, Quebec...most of the outdoor cats were pretty old. I guess cats adapt to the surroundings and they learn over time what's safe and what's not. When I lived in Carleton Place on the equestrian center we had 5 entirely outdoor cats (with access to the warm barn) and 15 horses. The cats knew enough that they weren't about to go walking under the horses to get stepped on. These cats were 3+ when I met them and after knowing them six years...when I moved they were still going strong and were very happy. It just seems odd that if three years is the norm then why have all my cats lived way passed three?? If your cat is being well looked after and is not allowed access to the road and you keep the shots up to date there is no reason why they shouldn't live well passed three years. A feral cat is an entirely different story. They, in most cases, don't have anyone to feed them and take them to the vet etc...they, I believe, would not usually live passed three years. An outdoor pet cat...different story. At least here in Canada anyway. The only article that I found on google stated that they usually live to 4 to 5 years. And like they said...there are many different factors affecting their life expectancy. They even state in the article that most who die are from motorists, other animals etc... So I stand by what I said...depending on where you live of course...you can be sure your healthy cat will make it passed three...even if he does live outside. Just make sure you've given him the proper care. However...for me...my cat's staying indoors...I like the idea of my baby living well into old age...and I encourage all who can...to do the same. All our pets deserve as much love and warmth that we can give them. You can't call your cat a pet if it never knows the warmth of home. What's the point of having a cat if it's not allowed to come inside??? Anyone have any objections or opinions?? Google article on life expectancy: http://petplace.netscape.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=684 > my cat who went outside - because he was mostly feral - disappeared around > year five (i owned him for four years) [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Anyone have outdoor cats that lived passed three years?...or is there more > > people out there who've had outdoor cats die before three years? || However...for me...my cat's staying indoors...I like the idea of my || baby living well into old age...and I encourage all who can...to do [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] || Google article on life expectancy: || http://petplace.netscape.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=684 My cat is an 'outdoor'cat. By this phrase I assumed that it was free to come and go as it pleased. I live in a quiet street, on the other side of the road is a large woodland. Busterdoggy is out most of the day, killing small rodents for me and getting into territory fights. He pops in for food through his little cat door. At night he comes in eats and eats and eats. Then sleeps on the back of my computer chair, when I am here and on the bed when I am there. Sometimes he chooses to snooze on one of the childrens beds with them. He has pet insurance and vet pet plan, by monthly D/D, so he always has Frontline for all the fleas he might catch,and vaccinations yearly and check-ups half yearly. My mother's house backs onto the same woodland, but at the front is a very busy wide main road. She has had 3 cats killed on it and one of her cats just dissappeared. She now has a house cat, and has built a run for it at the back of the house, so Bodecia can play in bushes and maybe even catch a mouse should it be daft enough to wander by! She was very recently neutered as all the big boy tom cats have been visiting and spraying her through the mesh fencing EWW! I approve of both cat lifestyles :O) Vj So do I...with the exception of those who have outdoor cats and don't allow them have the freedom to go freely from inside to outside. If you're locking your cat out...it begs the question of why you would even get a cat in the first place?? But this is just my opinion. I'm sure it's the same for most people here. > || However...for me...my cat's staying indoors...I like the idea of my > || baby living well into old age...and I encourage all who can...to do [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Vj Well I live within 12 miles of Birmingham City Centre in the UK. It's a reasonably quiet neighbourhood though, with no through traffic on the estate, and all the cats we've had over the past 30 years have been free to come and go in or out as they please. We don't know how old a couple of them were as they came to us as strays, but I do know for a fact that two of them lived to at least 18. I only have one cat at the moment and she's just turned 10. Ivor > Your right...this not scientific...in fact....I never said it was....I just > want to know what other people think. Anyone that I mention this to all say > "WHAT"??? when I tell them I've been told an outdoor cat on average only > lives to three years. It just seems like an extremely low number. But again On the other hand, you have to add in creatures like my poor Yoda, who was an "outdoor cat" through no fault of his own. We adopted him, and he only lived 3 months, because he had picked up some parasite. I still miss him, though he was in our lives less than a month. SAMK Cats in order of acquiring our home are: Smokey: 11+/- y.o. female spayed (she was an adult when we got her, and have had her for 10+ years), indoor only Tennessee: 10+ y.o. male neutered (was approx 8-12 weeks old when a friend gave him to us), indoor only Princess Ivy Punkinhead Puffybutt: female spayed succumbed to CRF when 8+ y.o., indoor only Lizzie: will be 2 y.o. this coming May, acquired from the animal shelter when she was 8 m.o., formerly a stray, has adjusted nicely to being (warm & dry) indoor only. Weeble: 5 m.o. that I hand raised as mamakat abandoned him & his sickly sister (she had to be euthanized) when they were a few days old. Since then he has been a rambunctious indoor only kitty (except for the times he likes to dart onto the enclosed back porch)  SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started > this post. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Anyone have outdoor cats that lived passed three years?...or is there more > people out there who've had outdoor cats die before three years? >See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started >this post. > >We are having a bit of a debate over how long cats live...please respond to >group indicating if you're cat is indoor or outdoor and how old he or she >is. And even previous cats that you've owned. At the present time I have two cats one is 19 the other is 13. Both are indoors only. -------------------------------------------- "It took us 15 years to McGyver this thing." -------------------------Carter on Stargate To send me e-mail exorcise NO Spam from my e-mail address. "Melanie Lacasse" <lacasse0296@rogers.com> wrote in message news:eG4Nb.14088 > I believe that most outdoor cats live past three years... Well, my beloved QT died 3 weeks before his 1st b-day. Run over right outside the flat and in front of my eyes. (He was only going outside for 2-3 months). Since his death my cats only go out on a harness and leash. I cannot go through another 4 years of crying and grieving. Gee, Tiara, Shadow, Tigger and Charlie with QT in our hearts My furface, Biggles www.1cooperfamily.com lived for 13 years. He lived the longest of the cats I have had over the years. Two other kitties were auto fatalities and one disappeared at about one to two years of age. We are looking for a Maine Coon at the moment and needless to say, he will not be going outside. Bill > See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started > this post. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Anyone have outdoor cats that lived passed three years?...or is there more > people out there who've had outdoor cats die before three years? All of our cats go outside, all of them have lived to be 14+ years! Sebastian: went outside for at least 8 hours a day he lived to be 15 years old and died of cancer Tigger: spent more time outside than he did inside (his choice), he lived to be 15 years old and died of kidney failure Susan: Also an outside kitty- spent most of the day outside lived to be 17 years old- died of a tumor Gracie: outside kitty for at least 5-6 hours a day- she out lived two of her owners died at the age of 20 from old age Raisen: has been an outside kitty most of her life- goes out a couple of hours a day is 14 years and still going strong Tabitha: is five years old, spends as much time outside as Tigger did, is going strong and is very happy With our cats, we don't just put them outside because we want to- they choose to go outside. We live in a rural area where there are farm animals around, other cats, dogs, and the occasional raccoon, squirrel, and skunk. We couldn't keep the cats in if we wanted to they howl and meow if they aren't let out. We keep them in at night- even if we have to go looking for them with a flashlight at midnight. We take care of these cats- they all go for a yearly check up to get their appropriate shots. If anything looks out of the ordinary, we take them to the vet immediately. Our cats have always loved to go outside and we wouldn't think of keeping them indoors all the time. I will say that if I lived in a city, I would keep the cats indoors because of the traffic and such- I think an outside city environment is a lot more dangerous than a rural outside environment. I don't think people should be chastised for letting their cats go outside- nor should anyone be looked down upon for keeping a cat indoors all the time. We all try to do what we think is best for our kitties, every cat is different and unique so one person's situation doesn't really reflect another person's situation. We do what we can to keep our cats happy. > See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started > this post. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Anyone have outdoor cats that lived passed three years?...or is there more > people out there who've had outdoor cats die before three years? Thanks everyone for your input. For me this just proves what I've been saying all along...just because some statistical report says cats don't make it passed 3 doesn't mean it's the same everywhere you go. There are too many variables that have to be considered before you can say that outdoor cats can only expect to live three years. Where you live is one of them and how well you care for your cat has a very significant impact. In my experience...in a rural setting...my cats have almost always lived passed at least 7-8 years. The two that didn't were unfortunate accidents. Thanks again folks. But please don't let me stop you...if you still want to respond to my original post...feel free! :) > See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started > this post. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Anyone have outdoor cats that lived passed three years?...or is there more > people out there who've had outdoor cats die before three years? > Thanks everyone for your input. For me this just proves what I've been > saying all along...just because some statistical report says cats don't make > it passed 3 doesn't mean it's the same everywhere you go. There are too many You don't seem to understand what the word "average" means. If I say that the average age in my city is 35 years, that does not mean that there's nobody here over 35. SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com And you my friend have no clue what I'm saying. You said it all when you said the average in "my city". This average of three years based on statistics...do you know for a fact that that study was based on cats all over the world?.. Or is it possible they came up with that average based on figures from one country? For that last freakin' time...there are too many variables!!!! If the same study was conducted in different countries...they would come up with different figures per country...how do you know that the report you read wasn't representative of just your own country??? I read another report that said 4-5 years...who knows for sure? That's all I'm saying. With you...I just give up! Obviously logic doesn't work! Yikes! Here's the article I was referring to (found via google): http://petplace.netscape.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=684 > > Thanks everyone for your input. For me this just proves what I've been > > saying all along...just because some statistical report says cats don't make [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that the average age in my city is 35 years, that does not mean that > there's nobody here over 35. As a lurking cat lover with 9 1/2 cats currently in and out, this question interests me. But what do "indoor" and "outdoor" mean? I think you have to consider where the cat lives: indoor: cat lives inside entirely; indoor/outdoor (like the carpet): cat moves in and out; outdoor: cat lives outside entirely. And then, how well treated is the cat? well cared for: cat's environment (you, dear owner) provides abundant food, shelter, medical care and love; moderately cared for: cat's environment provides some food, shelter, ... (like barn cats); uncared for: cat must find its own keep. There are 9 categories. And they all make sense. I'm sure you've seen pictures of those houses where someone has 200 cats indoors in filthy conditions. Cats are sick, sore, hungry and the place is a mess. How long can they live? And completely feral cats live outside entirely on their own. So what is the life expectancy of a cat from each category? This would be much more informative for keeping cats than a total population average (which would also be the average of the expectancies). It might also confirm people's experience. I'm sure that most litters of feral cats experience mortality above 90% in the first 3 months, although I've got no hard evidence, just casual observation. I'm also pretty sure that indoor/outdoor cats that are well taken care of live nearly as long, on the average, as well-cared for indoor cats and much longer than well-cared for outdoor cats, though again, it's just casual observation. So does anyone know what these numbers might be? I mean from actually counting cats and estimating ages, not casual observation or anecdote? I add that these categories are valid worldwide but local expectancies may well change geographically. Singapore, if I remember correctly, is overrun with poorly treated wild cats while England seems to have a number of wild cats that people look after. DL Farnworth And to answer the question, these are cats I've had or known: Ours: Jason I/O 15 yrs Dead Kidney disease Tiffany I/O 18 yrs Living Currently fighting ringworm and Pee Wee Diana I/O 8 yrs Dead Feline asthma Morgana I/O 9 yrs Living Kipling I/O 9 yrs Living Samantha I/O 3 yrs Dead Disappeared Fluffy I 4 yrs Living Angora: prefers the indoors Smokey 1 O 4 yrs? Dead Feral Smokey 2 O 4 yrs? Living Fearful and nearly feral Sally I/O 4 yrs Living Alice I/O 3 yrs Living Feline asthma (again!) Tortie O 3 yrs Living Lovely but prefers the outdoors Pee Wee I/O 1/2 yr Living Very sensibly follows his elders into the field Visitors: Peter I/O 5 yrs Living Roams widely Annie O 1 yr? Living Feral Boomerang I/O 5 yrs Living Wishes desperately to be Indoor but he's not ours so he only lives in the laundry room in bad weather Pugsley I/O 4 yrs Living Visits Chloe I/O 3 yrs Dead Car accident > And you my friend have no clue what I'm saying. You said it all when you > said the average in "my city". This average of three years based on > statistics...do you know for a fact that that study was based on cats all > over the world?.. I agree with Melanie. The Chinese and other Far-Eastern feral cat problem is exactly that. A problem. These cats spread disease and are malnurished and ill treated. They don't live past 1 or 2 years. In Deli cats are eaten. Even sick feral ones. Here in the UK Home Counties, we have some wonderful areas to raise cats. Nice warm homes with neat and clean gardens - plenty of room for cats to run around and play freely and come and go as they please "kicking the cats out" isn't advised, but those cats that are free to come and go as they please in this area are very happy indeed. I'm not sure how to communicate living quarters to the more narrow minded in the group... We don't live in tower blocks in England... not many of us anyhoo - we don't live in big squares of residential blocks tied up with a grid of roads. We don't have lots of fast cars. In fact, we have an abundance of speed cameras, sh?tty speedbumps and ill-fitting bendy roads. We don't have any coyotes and I can count the number of poisonous creatures we have on the fingers of an amputated hand. We don't have rabies. I know of many hundreds of free cats that have lived 10+ years. I wouldn't want to argue with statistics now... Be a good sheep and listen to the statistics from your government... heh. My .02 PENCE. SignatureLiddle Feesh ' O 0 o <"//>< ' o'^ (Remove UNDERPANTS to reply) My parents have a cat they got back in '91 or so. He's an indoor outdoor cat. Goes out to wander around but always comes home. Still alive and kicking just fine. >See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started >this post. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Anyone have outdoor cats that lived passed three years?...or is there more >people out there who've had outdoor cats die before three years? We adopted Kalo this past summer when the owners decided they didn't want him or 2 more of his house mates. He was 9 at the time and will be 10 in May. He is healthy and happy from what we have seen with no problems except the occasional hairball. Hope this helps some. Dennis >I believe that most outdoor cats live past three years...I'm told that the >statistics say otherwise...any opinions??? You'll never get a definitive answer to the question because of a couple problems with your question. 1) There are various levels of "indoor" and "outdoor" and everyone is using the terms without a clear definition. (a) Feral (b) Pet - Outdoor only (c) Pet - Indoor/outdoor with cat flap (d) Pet - Indoor, outdoor only under supervision (e) Pet - Indoor only Clearly a feral cat is not going to last as long as a pet that is outdoor only, and an outdoor only pet is not going to last as long as an indoor/outdoor with cat flap, and so on down the list. But people are not being careful in this thread to define what they mean when they say "my cat is an outdoor cat." And then there is another dimension to these definitions -- the outdoor environment. Take two different owners of cats who are indoor/outdoor with their own cat flaps. One lives on a main thoroughfare with cars whizzing by and the other lives on a dead-end residential street. Doesn't take rocket science to see that we need to expand the above definitions to include variables for the outdoor environment. 2) All the responses here have been anecdotal only. "My cat was indoor/outdoor with his own cat flap and lived to be 19 years and one month old." That is a true statement for my dear departed Claws, but it means nothing. It is one datum. What we need are the average figures, and a different average figure for each of the categories above. The averages need to be derived from a substantial population so we can derive a standard deviation. So far I haven't seen anyone point to a rigorous scientific study. One person claims that "statistics" show that "outdoor" cats (without a firm definition of the term) live to be only three years old on average (but didn't provide a link or reference to the study). Therefore, the claim has no credibility. Mind you, the claim may be at least partially true, but no one can trust it without a citation to investigate the methodology used and come to conclusions about the reliability and validity of the study. --- Once we get some valid and reliable statistics (assuming they actually exist), people can make their own decisions for their cats based on real facts. But even without valid and reliable statistics, I can tell you that I will still let my cat be an indoor/outdoor cat with his own cat flap, even though I'm pretty sure he would be at least a little safer being an indoor-only cat. That's because he enjoys going outdoors. Quality of life is just as important as quantity. -- Bogus e-mail address, but I read this newsgroup regularly, so reply here. >On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:43:38 GMT, "Melanie Lacasse" ><lacasse0296@rogers.com> dijo: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >expand the above definitions to include variables for the outdoor >environment. Another problem is geography. It is clear from the years of reading cat newsgroups that outdoor cats are much safer and thus longer-living in the UK than in certain parts of North America. SignatureDavid Stevenson Storypage: http://blakjak.com/sty_menu.htm Liverpool, England, UK <cat2@blakjak.com> Emails welcome Nanki Poo: SI Bp+W B 10 Y L+ W++ C+ I T+ A- E H++ V- F Q P B+ PA+ PL+ SC Minke: SI W+Cp B 1 Y++ L-- W- C+ [snip] > Another problem is geography. It is clear from the years of reading > cat newsgroups that outdoor cats are much safer and thus longer-living > in the UK than in certain parts of North America. They're safe from declawing here as well :-) Ivor My cat, Bunny, was an indoor/outdoor cat and passed when she was 21. I was 21 as well and it was such a horrible time, I had had her my whole life and she had been there for everything at that point. I then had a cat, Hobbs, that was indoor/outdoor (in college) and was hit by a car and killed when he was about 2. After that we got another guy, Meeko, who is now 10 and is an indoor/outdoor cat. My two indoor cats are 1 and 6. >See post on life expectancy of a cat posted 12/18/2003 to see what started >this post. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Anyone have outdoor cats that lived passed three years?...or is there more >people out there who've had outdoor cats die before three years?
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