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Took in Adandon Kitty, What Have I DONE???
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Charles - 08 Jan 2004 22:46 GMT I took in an abandoned kitty approx 4 months ago. She is now 6-7 months old. I was what I thought to be a wonderful owner, purchasing several scratching posts, giving kitty the run of the house. Did NOT have her declawed, got her rabies and distemper vaccine, had her spayed. Now 6 weeks after her rabies vaccine, there is a lump at her vaccination site. Further research suggests that this could very likely be cancerous sarcoma caused by the vaccine. The vet NEVER mentioned this side effect. We had a needle aspirator (sp) biopsy which was negative, but even the vet said we still should be concerned. We are going to watch the lump for changes and may have a tough choice coming up. I am very upset about this and can't help but wonder if I wouldn't have been better off leaving kitty a feral. I can't believe that my own actions of having her vaccinated may cause her such pain. We have grown so attached to kitty. The vet tried to reassure us that it is unlikely that this is cancerous, but I am AMAZED at how many other cat owners have gone through this same thing. Any one out there have experience with post vaccination lumps. I am just praying that one morning I will wake up and the lump will be gone.
Magic Mood Jeep? - 08 Jan 2004 23:00 GMT I too had a similar problem. After Weeble's (see my webshots photo albums, he was abandoned by his Mama at less than a week old) second set of vaccinations, he developed a lump at the shot site, but it took about a week to develop! Vet was concerned, but puzzled as he'd not had such developments before, but in the past month, after switching vaccine brands, was having a rash of them. The first few he biopsied, and they turned out negative, just an inflammatory reaction to the vaccine. So we kept a close eye on him: he got 'felt up' by the vet once a week for 4 weeks, and it seemed to get smaller, so vet said to only call/bring him in if the lump did anything besides shrink, and to bring him in for his neuter on the scheduled time - and by the time his neuter came, lump was almost gone, and two weeks after that, the lump was completely gone - now I can't even tell exactly where it was!.
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> I took in an abandoned kitty approx 4 months ago. She is now 6-7 months > old. I was what I thought to be a wonderful owner, purchasing several [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > experience with post vaccination lumps. I am just praying that one morning > I will wake up and the lump will be gone. Charles - 08 Jan 2004 23:11 GMT You must have been SO relieved. I am hoping for the same outcome. I am really concerned that the vaccination was done on Nov 14 and it should have gone down by now. That was almost 8 weeks ago. All I can do now is pray and hope it goes away.
> I too had a similar problem. After Weeble's (see my webshots photo albums, > he was abandoned by his Mama at less than a week old) second set of [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > morning > > I will wake up and the lump will be gone. Karen - 09 Jan 2004 01:50 GMT > You must have been SO relieved. I am hoping for the same outcome. I am > really concerned that the vaccination was done on Nov 14 and it should have > gone down by now. That was almost 8 weeks ago. All I can do now is pray > and hope it goes away. My Grant and Sugar both got bumps at their vaccination sites when they first got them that lasted about 3 months. Vet never mentioned the possibility of sarcomas and said it was just "a reaction". The lumps *did* go away. I took them to a new vet who upon hearing they had such a long lasting reaction wrote it in their charts and they only get purevax shots now and have had NO swelling since then. Here's hoping that is all it is for you, but be warned it may take a bit longer to go down. If the biopsy was negative, most likely is. Get purevax shots next time. More expensive but worth it. You *did* do a good thing taking kitty in.
Karen
Charles - 09 Jan 2004 14:19 GMT I am not a statistics major, but when I mentioned this problem to my sister and friends, I found out that one of my sister's cats had sarcoma and a friends aunt had the same thing. So much for the 1 in 3,000 number that gets this reaction. I think this goes largely unreported. Our kitten is still very active and shows absolutely no signs of being sick. The biopsy that was done was the needle aspirator type and I guess this type of biopsy is not real reliable for catching cancer cells. At least it gave us temporary peace of mind.
> > You must have been SO relieved. I am hoping for the same outcome. I am > > really concerned that the vaccination was done on Nov 14 and it should have [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Karen Laura R. - 09 Jan 2004 17:43 GMT > they only get purevax shots I cannot recommend this highly enough. Purevax (Merial) vaccines are adjuvant-free, which means that they do not contain the substances that are suspected to be responsible for vaccination-site sarcomas. Ask your vet if s/he uses Purevax. If s/he doesn't, either find another vet or tell your current one that you won't vaccinate unless and until s/he makes adjuvant-free vaccinations available.
Laura
Charles - 09 Jan 2004 17:47 GMT She was given Fort Dodge???
> > they only get purevax shots > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Laura Laura R. - 09 Jan 2004 22:53 GMT > She was given Fort Dodge??? They apparently use a proprietary adjuvant:
http://wgnradio.com/shows/pet/fivvaccine.htm
However, I wouldn't worry overmuch just yet. See the other link I posted.
Laura
Linda E - 10 Jan 2004 16:50 GMT We recently had a scare after one of our cats developed a vaccination site lump almost 3 years (!) after her last vacc at that particular site. Vet was very concerned and really thought the outcome was going to be bad. When the vet "went in" for a biopsy, a round ball of fat popped out.... got it analyzed and that's what it turned out to be - fat! We dodged the bullet that time......
Linda
Betsy - 09 Jan 2004 02:56 GMT Could you please find out from the vet what brand caused that reaction? I'd be grateful.
> I too had a similar problem. After Weeble's (see my webshots photo albums, > he was abandoned by his Mama at less than a week old) second set of [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > morning > > I will wake up and the lump will be gone. Magic Mood Jeep? - 09 Jan 2004 14:09 GMT I know that they now went back to the other vaccine, Purevax, that they had stopped using because it was temporarily unavailable, but I don't know what they were using in it's place.
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> Could you please find out from the vet what brand caused that reaction? I'd > be grateful. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > morning > > > I will wake up and the lump will be gone. Charles - 12 Jan 2004 16:35 GMT It was a Fort Dodge vaccine. The kitty still has the lump on her and it has not shrunk, but is hasn't gotten any bigger either. It feels as if it is harder than it was before, but at least it is not growing. Kitty sure doesn't act sick and is as playful as ever. I guess I wait another 2 weeks and then we go to the vet to have it removed and analyzed. I wonder if I should give it more time. From reading some of the posts, it sounds like it could take a few months for a vaccine reaction to go away. I would hate to put kitty through surgery if it is not necessary. Then again, if it is Sarcoma, it would be best to remove the lump as soon as possible and pray they remove it all.
> Could you please find out from the vet what brand caused that reaction? I'd > be grateful. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > morning > > > I will wake up and the lump will be gone. Karen Chuplis - 13 Jan 2004 01:03 GMT > It was a Fort Dodge vaccine. The kitty still has the lump on her and it has > not shrunk, but is hasn't gotten any bigger either. It feels as if it is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > necessary. Then again, if it is Sarcoma, it would be best to remove the > lump as soon as possible and pray they remove it all. A biopsy will not be very invasive and will provide you with peace of mind.
Karen
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 08 Jan 2004 23:27 GMT <snip>
>I am just praying that one morning > I will wake up and the lump will be gone. FWIW, I also found a lump on my cat a few weeks after she had been vaccinated. I took her back to the vet and he said it wasn't an unusual occurrence, but that I should watch it just in case. It took a few more weeks, but the lump did disappear and has not reappeared since (I still check for lumps every so often, just in case). And as a human, I get vaccine-related lumps, too :-)! (I bruise and scar easily.)
From what I read, 1 in 5000 cats are affected--seems like a lot but as a percentage, it's .0002%. And, from http://littlezoo.com/data/vet/Commonly%20Treated%20Malignancies%20of%20the%20Cat.htm "VAS may develop from 3 months to 3 years after vaccination" so 6 weeks is a bit early for the sarcoma to have developed (if you believe the site quoted). I think you were wise to bring her in to the vet, and you should keep your eye on the lump, but you don't need to worry for now. She has a very good chance of *not* getting a vaccine-related sarcoma.
Good luck, and let us know how she's doing!
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Hans Schr?der - 09 Jan 2004 00:28 GMT > From what I read, 1 in 5000 cats are affected--seems like a lot but as a > percentage, it's .0002%. More like .02%, I guess... If we start with the fact that 1 in 50 is 2%, then 1 in 500 is 0.2% and...?
Hans
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 09 Jan 2004 00:56 GMT > More like .02%, I guess... If we start with the fact that 1 in 50 is 2%, > then 1 in 500 is 0.2% and...? > > Hans Oops! I meant to adjust the decimal point but forgot! But staying on topic, .02% is still a relatively low risk...
Thanks for the correction!
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Laura R. - 09 Jan 2004 17:47 GMT > From what I read, 1 in 5000 cats are affected http://www.avma.org/vafstf/treatcoutomacy.asp
Laura
Linda E - 10 Jan 2004 16:54 GMT > <snip> > >I am just praying that one morning [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > check for lumps every so often, just in case). And as a human, I get > vaccine-related lumps, too :-)! (I bruise and scar easily.) My vet always tells me there's a chance of a "lump" or "swelling" at the vaccine site... I don't think she's referring to a sarcoma though at that point, but a "reaction." (or so I assume) Linda
Gail - 09 Jan 2004 00:01 GMT YOu did the best thing for her. I think the lump will be OK. The fact that the needle aspiration came back negative is a good thing. Gail
> I took in an abandoned kitty approx 4 months ago. She is now 6-7 months > old. I was what I thought to be a wonderful owner, purchasing several [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > experience with post vaccination lumps. I am just praying that one morning > I will wake up and the lump will be gone. ~*Connie*~ - 09 Jan 2004 00:19 GMT I had a foster kitten that reacted to the vaccine too. After a few weeks it went away.. cancer can develop with vaccines, but its usually not that fast.
> I took in an abandoned kitty approx 4 months ago. She is now 6-7 months > old. I was what I thought to be a wonderful owner, purchasing several [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > experience with post vaccination lumps. I am just praying that one morning > I will wake up and the lump will be gone. Dennis Carr - 09 Jan 2004 02:16 GMT > I took in an abandoned kitty approx 4 months ago. She is now 6-7 months > old. I was what I thought to be a wonderful owner, purchasing several > scratching posts, giving kitty the run of the house. Did NOT have her > declawed, got her rabies and distemper vaccine, had her spayed. Now 6 > weeks after her rabies vaccine, there is a lump at her vaccination site. And you took her to the vet. Good call, and with this, you did the Right thing.
> Further > research suggests that this could very likely be cancerous sarcoma > caused by the vaccine. The vet NEVER mentioned this side effect. Here's a question - where is the research that says this is a *significant* risk? Odds are that your vet not only felt that this was of no risk, but that because a rabies shot may be so routine
First and foremost, I'll go on record as saying I hope this gets better. Second, keep in mind that I'm not anywhere near a doctor of any sort.
Now then, something I learned is that most sub-independent research (IE, "this is what happened to me") is something to be taken with a grain - nay, about a truckload - of salt. It is always the people who have something bad happen to them who yell the loudest, and when something goes right, the only time you'll hear of it is if it's authoritative research beyond what the news gives you. (Besides, the news gives you pseudoscientific results of initial findings - such as that having a beer would melt your liver, and next year beer would strengthen your heart, or something equally ridiculous.)
With that said, keep in mind that, as it is in humans, there is a risk when you do something - ANYTHING - invasive to a feline, from full blown open heart surgery to something as simple as a vaccination injection, however minute the risk is. There are steps to prevent really nasty things from happening, but every now and again something does happen, and there are almost always ways to treat this.
In any case, heed your vet's word before you heed what's online - they are the one who has the training to know where there are problems.
We had a needle
> aspirator (sp) biopsy which was negative, but even the vet said we still > should be concerned. We are going to watch the lump for changes and may > have a tough choice coming up. If the biopsy came back negative, like others have said, there's probably no worry.
> I am very upset about this and can't help but wonder if I wouldn't have > been better off leaving kitty a feral. Well, kitty has grown fond of you, yesno? =^^=
The storm will ride out. Prayers and purrs for you and kitty, I'm sure this isn't painless.
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Cathy Friedmann - 09 Jan 2004 02:37 GMT Considering the needle aspiration biopsy was negative, I wouldn't be overly-worried. I personally know of one cat who died of a vaccine (FeLV - cat was indoor/outdoor, so needed the vaccine) site-induced cancerous tumor on her shoulder a few years ago, when the cat was 7. It was inoperable, because of the location. Now a rear leg is used for FeLV vax, *if* the cat needs it, so that an amputation can be performed in the unlikely event of a carcinoma forming as a result of the shot.
So, I agree to keep a watch on it, but to try to relax in the meantime. Adopting her was, IMO, a wiser thing to do than to leave her to her own devices outside. One can't ever second-guess such a situation - the "what ifs" - the adverse things that *may* happen, Vs. what is -likely- to be the overall better situation. And you chose the likely-to-be-better deals: adopting her & getting her rabies shot taken care of. Which it may very well still turn out to be.
Cathy
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> I took in an abandoned kitty approx 4 months ago. She is now 6-7 months > old. I was what I thought to be a wonderful owner, purchasing several [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > experience with post vaccination lumps. I am just praying that one morning > I will wake up and the lump will be gone. Victor Martinez - 09 Jan 2004 03:32 GMT I too hope the bump is just some kind of allergic reaction to the shot. In the future, you might want to discuss with your vet the vaccination guidelines recommended by the AAFP: http://www.aafponline.org/about_guidlines.htm Since we keep our cats indoors only, many vaccines are not necessary. Others don't need to be given every year, only every 3 years. Talk to your vet about this.
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stocksRus - 10 Jan 2004 21:30 GMT > I took in an abandoned kitty approx 4 months ago. She is now 6-7 > months old. I was what I thought to be a wonderful owner, purchasing [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > just praying that one morning I will wake up and the lump will be > gone. Just went throught the same thing...1 in 10,000 cats are affected by the vaccine. I wouldnt worry too much now. I freaked out and my vet assured me he was OK and within 8 weeks it, the lump was gone
Charles - 12 Jan 2004 16:38 GMT My big concern is that there was no immediate reaction. The lump first appeared about 6 weeks after the vaccination. It has now been 2 months and it still has not gone away. The vet said that usually a reaction will occur in the first week or two.
> > I took in an abandoned kitty approx 4 months ago. She is now 6-7 > > months old. I was what I thought to be a wonderful owner, purchasing [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > vaccine. I wouldnt worry too much now. I freaked out and my vet assured me > he was OK and within 8 weeks it, the lump was gone JP Hobbs - 20 Jan 2004 11:25 GMT Purrs to your kitten to lose the lump, and I hope it is not cancerous please dont regret taking it in if you hadn't she might well be dead by now anyway with no-one to help her *or him* if she died in pain like being run over or another animal killing her, be thankful she has you to care about her, hugs Jean P.
> > I took in an abandoned kitty approx 4 months ago. She is now 6-7 > > months old. I was what I thought to be a wonderful owner, purchasing [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > vaccine. I wouldnt worry too much now. I freaked out and my vet assured me > he was OK and within 8 weeks it, the lump was gone Charles - 20 Jan 2004 19:22 GMT Thanks for the reply. The lump has not gone down but is NOT getting any bigger after 3 weeks. My vet wants to remove the lump next week if it hasn't gone down. But the vet also thinks it is unlikely a cancerous sarcoma. If the vet really feels it is not cancerous, I wonder why she wants to remove the lump so quickly. I would hate to put my kitten through this if it is not cancerous and the lump will eventually subside. I did get another vet's opinion and they seemed to think that since it is not growing in size, that I should wait a few more weeks and monitor the size. It is not totally unusual for a vaccine reaction to last a couple of months before disappearing. The big drawback here is that if it is cancerous, that is 3 more weeks of allowing this to invade my kitten's body. I am at a loss as far as what I should do. The kitten appears to be less active lately but otherwise in good health. I just think she is growing up and is becoming more mature ;)
> Purrs to your kitten to lose the lump, and I hope it is not cancerous > please dont regret taking it in if you hadn't she might well be dead [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > vaccine. I wouldnt worry too much now. I freaked out and my vet assured me > > he was OK and within 8 weeks it, the lump was gone Laura R. - 21 Jan 2004 00:48 GMT circa Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:22:34 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Charles (charles@mn.rr.comnotright) said,
> Thanks for the reply. The lump has not gone down but is NOT getting any > bigger after 3 weeks. My vet wants to remove the lump next week if it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > more weeks of allowing this to invade my kitten's body. I am at a loss as > far as what I should do. How about a compromise- can the veterinarian perform a needle aspiration of the lump and biopsy that?
Laura
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Charles - 21 Jan 2004 21:40 GMT > circa Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:22:34 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Charles (charles@mn.rr.comnotright) said, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Laura We did have a needle aspiration and it was negative. The vet said this was good, but not conclusive as she has done needle aspirations before with negative readings, only to find out the worst later.
Karen - 21 Jan 2004 22:17 GMT > > circa Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:22:34 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > Charles (charles@mn.rr.comnotright) said, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > good, but not conclusive as she has done needle aspirations before with > negative readings, only to find out the worst later. OK, I understand being cautious, but I would consider this quite good taking into account age and the nearness of the event to the shot. Most sarcomas that I've read up show up much later (like 1 to 3 years). So, I would, myself, feel quite confident in watching it and making sure it doesn't grow. If it hasn't gone away in 3 months (I picked that because that is how long my cats took to go away), then I'd think of doing further diagnostics.
Karen
Laura R. - 22 Jan 2004 02:07 GMT circa Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:40:14 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Charles (charles@mn.rr.comnotright) said,
> > circa Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:22:34 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > Charles (charles@mn.rr.comnotright) said, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > good, but not conclusive as she has done needle aspirations before with > negative readings, only to find out the worst later. With the needle aspiration being negative, I think I'd give the lump a little more time to subside, personally.
Laura
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