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black - 30 Dec 2003 22:52 GMT
Hi! A newbie here.
Anyhow, we have a 4 1/2 month-old male (due to be spayed in 2 weeks) and
have pretty much decided to adopt a kitten to keep him company and basically
add on to the rambunctious household (couple with two playful kids, 5 and
7).  I'm looking for any tips, caveats, recommendations, etc... (two litter
boxes? preferred sex? Anything?)  The kitten we're thinking of adopting is
only 6-7 weeks old at this point.  We do have space to separate and monitor
them during the acclimatization phase.

Many thanks!
~*Connie*~ - 30 Dec 2003 23:45 GMT
brining the second kitten home while the first is at the vet isn't a bad
idea.. although you'll want to keep them apart until the new one has gotten
a clean bill of health from a vet. lots of people suggest having different
gender kittens, but I have not had that problem.. I have four males and one
female.  When neutered young, the whole male / female thing really doesn't
matter

I do recommend two litter boxes. I do recommend extended introductions...
leaving the new guy in a spare room till you see the reaction of the
resident cat, and it is either interest or not caring. the more upset your
resident cat is, the longer it is going to take. do slow introductions,
giving your resident cat lots of love and attention.  Give treats and praise
around the new kitty.  have him associate only good things with the new
one.. but honestly, at 5 months, intros should be very easy... kittens love
to play, so he should take to the new one pretty easily.

> Hi! A newbie here.
> Anyhow, we have a 4 1/2 month-old male (due to be spayed in 2 weeks) and
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>
> Many thanks!
Gee - 31 Dec 2003 00:45 GMT
> brining the second kitten home while the first is at the vet isn't a bad
> idea..

I am not certain about this one. Cats are territorial animals, and when the
older cat returns home it may take things worse then if he was in when the
kitten arrives. I wouldn;t do it when older one is at the vets, let him come
back and relax at his own territory after the op, rather then feeling doubly
miserable, as in being in op pain, as well as dealing with territory
"occupied" by a stranger!

>although you'll want to keep them apart until the new one has gotten
> a clean bill of health from a vet.

That is always an issue to consider, unless you know the kitten came from a
good home/shelter and has a clean bill of health.

>lots of people suggest having different gender kittens, but I have not had
that problem.. I have four >males and one female.  When neutered young, the
whole male / female thing really doesn't matter

Agreed. i got 2 boys and 2 girls. Tigger was done before he riched "puberty"
at 6 months old, so I don;t think he is bothered with male/female issues. He
just wanna play. And any kitten is more then welcome!

> I do recommend two litter boxes.

Maybe at first, but I really never had any problems with 1 litter box, as
long as it is kept clean. I would say kitten needs more litter boxzes only
if your flat is bigger and kitten might not reach the box on time.

>I do recommend extended introductions...

I understand that you have the facilities to keep them apart. However, I
don;t think that's necessary really, as you are just prolonging the obvious.
What I've done in previous (small) flat is to bring the kitten in, take
her/him to the vets the same/next day to get vaccinations and flea
treatment, then let them mingle. If it has to stay apart form a night, I put
the new kitten in the bathroom/kitchen. Most tests results are provided the
same day, so you can easily come back from vets with kitten ready to mingle.

I never kept cats in separate rooms for a period of time. I also never had
problems with cats adjusting with each other apart from normal teething
problems(some growls, some hisses, some punches even from a resident cat).
If anything, I believe the adjustment this way took less then if you were
keeping the cats (as mostly advised), in separate rooms for days and
prolonging what will happen anyways. Just let them get to know each other,
and don;t interfere, unless is life threatening, which with the kitten won;t
happen. Most animal species simply don;t kill the youngsters. They will give
them a punch or kick or a bite, but all as a training method not really to
hurt them. They are just teaching them the lesson and telling them when they
go too far. Just make sure you give more attention to the existing then a
new cat,and lots of bribes, so the older cat associate new kitten with good
stuff. Some introductions could last 2 days. Some can take a week or two.
Separate rooms will only prolong the period for another 2-3 weeks. I don;t
see the point. Perhaps only if you can;t be there, put them in separate
rooms, but together as soon as they can be supervised.

If the introduction is taking too long in your opinion, you may wanna make
the cats smell the same. The reason they are unhappy is mainly the
difference in smell. So what I generally did, is to weather give them a bath
with same shampoo(I know-you may wanna wear long sleeves :)) or simply pour
some tuna brine onto them both. Not only your house will smell - well- stink
on fish, but also you might get two equally smelling kitties who might even
lick each other off,  or this will at least ease up the introduction.

I also want to suggest that since you have very young kids, you need to get
a kitten that is quite dominant and playful. Do not under any circumstances
get a timid or shy kitten. The kids will only scare it when they are yelling
and screaming and running around the house. Also make sure you give your
kids proper training on how to treat new kitten, although I'm sure you;ve
done that when older kitten came along. I do have to point this out however
to everyone, as we all know, and with all due respect,  the kids in general
are not really famous for being kind, quiet or considerate :) therefore tend
to often stress out the resident cat. The stress can cause the cat to leave
home for good. Surely no one wants that.

As for the kitten's age, many people here will tell you 6-7 weeks is too
young to separate from the mother. Perhaps leave the kitten with her if you
can at least until is 8 weeks old, and most people will advise 12 weeks old.

Best wishes

Gee, Tiara, Shadow, Tigger and Charlie
with QT in our hearts
~*Connie*~ - 31 Dec 2003 11:20 GMT
> > brining the second kitten home while the first is at the vet isn't a bad
> > idea..
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> miserable, as in being in op pain, as well as dealing with territory
> "occupied" by a stranger!

That's the point.  Cats are territorial animals, and if the resident cat is
at home and a new one comes in, he feels he has to defend it.  If he hasn't
been at home for a while, and comes home to something new in the house, it
wont be such a big deal.  Works for extended trips, and young cats, not
quick trips with older cats.  this is also why I suggested the extended
introductions.  if the new cat is just wandering around the house, the
resident cat could get annoyed.  At four months though, a cat is not
miserable coming home from surgery.  Tired, but not miserable.  They recover
very very quickly.    The younger cats I see coming out of surgery are fine
with in hours, the older ones.. took my elder cat  3 days to figure out what
happened.. or at least come to terms with it. (had a dental)

Throwing cats together with out an introduction (the behind the door chatter
that occurs when one is kept isolated) could be ok, or it could be
disastrous.  As Ive said, young kittens are usually ok and you don't really
need to worry about it.  I did a short introduction with my first cat and
the new room mate, and they NEVER got along.. they tolerated each other, but
not the loving close knit group most people prefer.  Take your cues from
your cat.  Everyone has the space to do extended introductions if necessary.
Use the bathroom.
Gee - 31 Dec 2003 16:22 GMT
"~*Connie*~" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:2iyIb.95119

> That's the point.  Cats are territorial animals, and if the resident cat is
> at home and a new one comes in, he feels he has to defend it.

I do agree with this completely, but even if the cat has been away and come
back to his territory, and there is another new cat there, it will still
feel it has to defend it. Just like stray cats and their territories. Even
though their territories are much larger then a size of a house, and
therefore they cannot be everywhere at all times, when they do march around
the perimetar say once a day, they will still fiercly protect it from any
new cat barging in. That is the same as the cat who went to the vet in the
morning for the op, and came back in the afternoon only to find a new cat
there. It is still "his" terrotory, and still smell on him more then of a
new cat, and it will still feel the need to defend it.

> If he hasn't been at home for a while, and comes home to something new in
the house, it
> wont be such a big deal.

I think it would. I still stand by my opinion and would not give my existing
cat a double stress of spending time at the "horrible" vets having whateva
done to him/her, then coming happily home only to be further stressed by a
stranger, or feeling that his/her home has been taken away from him/her.

> this is also why I suggested the extended
> introductions.  if the new cat is just wandering around the house, the
> resident cat could get annoyed.

They will in any case get annoyed, if any new cat comes into the house, in
whichever room you try and isolate it in. That room was still the existing
cats territory.

The only time I would use the extended introduction would be with dominant
male or if the resident cat is a bully or quite fierce(which we are
currently doing with introducing a new 1 yr old sweet male Sparkey  to my
neighbour's Barney - a local MAJOR bully). Even then, I would keep them in
the same room as long as I am there to supervise, and bribe the existing cat
to the point of obesity :) So far Barney and Sparkey are doing well
together, but I take Sparkey home with me at night, so he is not in any way
on Barney's territory. Sparkey will stay there longer and longer, and after
probably a week or two, move in altogether. Barney is famous for causing
some serious cat-damage :)

> At four months though, a cat is not miserable coming home from surgery.
Tired, but not miserable.  They recover very very quickly.

I agree. Especially boys. When I took Sparkey  for the op the other week,
the vet suggested giving him some new painkiller injection after the op.
Sparkey felt like new right away.

> Throwing cats together with out an introduction (the behind the door chatter
> that occurs when one is kept isolated) could be ok, or it could be
> disastrous.

Well I must tell you about Charlie and Shadow and the natural extended
introduction they had. Charlie was a stray and Shadow is one of my cats who
goes out only on a harness and leash. So Charlie noticed my cats in the
garden and watched them for couple of months, coming closer and closer. He
was desperate for company. Mine 3 got used to him, and accepted him
beautifully outside and played with him. But once Charlie moved inside,
Shadow wasn;t impressed. She started beating the cra# out of him and to this
day, 2 years on, he is avoiding her and she hates him. So even the extended
introductions are not guaranteed to work.Yes I know technically the
introduction was on a neutral territory, but considering that my cats only
get a run of a small part of the garden they can reach on the leash, that is
pretty much their territory.

Gee
Victor Martinez - 31 Dec 2003 01:20 GMT
> boxes? preferred sex? Anything?)  The kitten we're thinking of adopting is
> only 6-7 weeks old at this point.  We do have space to separate and monitor
> them during the acclimatization phase.

Do try to keep him with his mom until he is at least 10 weeks old, 12
would be best. Just because he is weaned doesn't mean he should leave
mom and littermates, there's more to raising a kitten than just learning
to eat solid food.
Good luck! I'd suggest a male, in my experience males tend to get along
with each other better than with females.

Cheers.

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