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Cat Forum / General Topics / July 2003live food
Im sorry,but I coudn't come at having a pet that has to be fed live food it would starve first and I certainly couldn't let the cat play with it first that would be double the torture for me and the food. I remember when I was about eight I took a wild mouse out of a cats mouth [ after a bit of a struggle] when I told my dad he went mad on me said the cat could have sratched or bitten me or the mouse could have bitten me and probably had gangrene on its teeth and could have made me very sick, but I can't bear to see animals kill each other on these wildlife programmes even though I know it happens indeed has to happen for animal life to survive I just dont want to watch it Jean P I'm with you Jean. I can't watch "nature" programs either. When I was a little kid, I saw a dog kill a kitten and I saw some other horrible things that have stayed with me ever since. MLB > Im sorry,but I coudn't come at having a pet that has to be fed live food it > would starve first and I certainly couldn't let the cat play with it first [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > it happens indeed has to happen for animal life to survive I just dont want > to watch it Jean P my cat loves to torture goldfish before eating them, I think its pretty damn cool. :Im sorry,but I coudn't come at having a pet that has to be fed live food it :would starve first and I certainly couldn't let the cat play with it first [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :it happens indeed has to happen for animal life to survive I just dont want :to watch it Jean P on the other hand, my turtle is even more interesting when it comes to eating live goldfish, it bites into the fishes tail and uses its front claws to life up under the fishes gills and rip its head clean off, then eats the body/tail part. the head usually sits there bobbing on the top of the water still breathing for 20 minutes up to an hour. nature rules! :my cat loves to torture goldfish before eating them, I think its pretty :damn cool. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] ::it happens indeed has to happen for animal life to survive I just dont want ::to watch it Jean P >Im sorry,but I coudn't come at having a pet that has to be fed live food it >would starve first and I certainly couldn't let the cat play with it first [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >it happens indeed has to happen for animal life to survive I just dont want >to watch it Jean P Then it sounds like you shouldn't have a cat, as a cat is a predator by nature's design. My indoor cat who has never hunted for food will stalk, torture, then maim any moth that enters the apartment. Then she will either present it to me or eat it live. Maybe a herbivore pet is more for you if the idea of live food gives you the chills. For the record, I am one of those folks who watched open heart surgery as a kid, grew up with nature programs on PBS and the Mutual of Omaha channel, so I'm not squeemish at all about blood and 'the circle of life' so to speak, so it's kinda hard to me to see animals eating animals as sickening. Glyph prickme2@_NO_SPAM_hotmail.com http://glyphworks.crimsonblog.com http://mundanechaos.keenspace.com my cat also an indoor cat his presents to me are leaves and storks off my plants dead ones that is, and 'just for the record I saw open heart surgery my husband fainted I didn't I also saw lots of blood and guts when I was a nurse that doesn't make me want to watch animals killing each other the operations in a hospital are for giving life not taking it.jp > >Im sorry,but I coudn't come at having a pet that has to be fed live food it > >would starve first and I certainly couldn't let the cat play with it first [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > http://glyphworks.crimsonblog.com > http://mundanechaos.keenspace.com Having read some of the messages here, Im ready to become a full-fledged member of PETA. I'm wondering if they would accept the membership of a cat owner? It's extremely unsettling and nauseous for me when pets as snakes are kept and fed live mice. Mice are biologically very similar to humans by their DNA and that's why mice are used for drug experiments. So what these pet owners are doing is feeding an advanced mammal, a mouse, that nurses its young, to a rudimentary reptile that lays a bunch of eggs. It's one thing for a garter snake or any snake for that matter to exist on insects or toads in the wild, but to keep these exotic animals captive in homes and willingly feed them mice, that's another story. -- Visit my new webpage - http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Aeris5000/cats.html Jean H wrote in message <3f14aab9@news.comindico.com.au>. .. >Im sorry,but I coudn't come at having a pet that has to be fed live food it >would starve first and I certainly couldn't let the cat play with it first [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >it happens indeed has to happen for animal life to survive I just dont want >to watch it Jean P ROFL. :Having read some of the messages here, Im ready to become a full-fledged :member of PETA. I'm wondering if they would accept the membership of a cat [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] :>it happens indeed has to happen for animal life to survive I just dont want :>to watch it Jean P > It's extremely unsettling and nauseous for me when pets as snakes are kept > and fed live mice. That's what the snakes would be eating if they were in the wild and not pets, so it's really six of one, half a dozen of the other. Most people can't stomach feeding live food and so so don't make pets of animals that need that, but that doesn't make it wrong. > Mice are biologically very similar to humans by their > DNA and that's why mice are used for drug experiments. So what these pet > owners are doing is feeding an advanced mammal, a mouse, that nurses its > young, to a rudimentary reptile that lays a bunch of eggs. It's what snakes eat anyway. It's just the way the food chain works. > It's one thing for a garter snake or any snake for that matter to exist on > insects or toads in the wild, but to keep these exotic animals captive in > homes and willingly feed them mice, that's another story. It's not really different. M If you think snakes eating live rats is bad, how about this... from http://www.news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=768342003 : Dolly creators begin mass slaughter SHARON WARD THE Scottish company involved in the creation of Dolly the sheep will today begin a mass slaughter of its flock in an effort to cut costs in the face of mounting financial problems. PPL Therapeutics, the Midlothian-based biotechnology company, is to destroy up to 3,000 transgenic sheep at two farms in East Lothian as it struggles to survive after Bayer, the German pharmaceutical giant, pulled the plug on joint drug trials. ... The animals must be slaughtered and incinerated on the same day under strict Home Office regulations to avoid environmental risks. Meat from the animals cannot be sold as food. I find it funny that someone would have no problem with a snake eating a toad but be irately against a snake that eats rats. Hows their logic work, anyways? "protect the cute furry animals, kill everything else!!" or..? That's where I disagree with PETA, to a point, but that's not the real point of my argument. It's about humans tampering with nature. -- Visit my new webpage - http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Aeris5000/cats.html dinkmeister wrote in message ... >I find it funny that someone would have no problem with a snake eating >a toad but be irately against a snake that eats rats. Hows their logic >work, anyways? "protect the cute furry animals, kill everything else!!" >or..? I'll add a link of my own: http://www.peta-online.org/ and, the mutilated kitten story: http://www.peta.org/alert/automation/AlertItem.asp?id=791 -- Visit my new webpage - http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Aeris5000/cats.html dinkmeister wrote in message ... >If you think snakes eating live rats is bad, how about this... >from http://www.news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=768342003 : [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Home Office regulations to avoid environmental risks. Meat from the animals >cannot be sold as food. Just more proof that humans have really messed up the planet! ~waiting for cats to rule the world~ m-e-o-w -- Visit my new webpage - http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Aeris5000/cats.html Michelle Fulton wrote in message ... I understand your food chain argument, but what I'm saying is that humans have intelligence and free will. There is a big difference between a snake existing in the wild and trying to fend for itself and a human willingly keeping a pet snake and purchasing live caught and trapped bait that has absolutely no chance of escape or survival and which the human feeds to the snake. >That's what the snakes would be eating if they were in the wild and not >pets, so it's really six of one, half a dozen of the other. Most people >can't stomach feeding live food and so so don't make pets of animals that >need that, but that doesn't make it wrong. Not necessarily. A snake might be darn lucky to even catch a mouse in the wild. The garter snakes around here subsist largely on insects and small reptiles like toads, etc.. It's wrong because it's "not" nature. >It's what snakes eat anyway. It's just the way the food chain works. The snake has to catch the food, first, not have it handed to them as a human would. >> It's one thing for a garter snake or any snake for that matter to exist on >> insects or toads in the wild, but to keep these exotic animals captive in >> homes and willingly feed them mice, that's another story. It's extremely different because the human is trapping the mice to feed to the snake. Where's the level playing field? It's analagous to trapped people being fed to lions. >M :It's extremely different because the human is trapping the mice to feed to :the snake. Where's the level playing field? It's analagous to trapped :people being fed to lions. Its fun to feed mice to snakes not to mention nourishing to the snake. and no, its analogous to trapped buffalo being fed to lions. dinkmeister wrote in message ... >:It's extremely different because the human is trapping the mice to feed to >:the snake. Where's the level playing field? It's analagous to trapped >:people being fed to lions. > >Its fun to feed mice to snakes not to mention nourishing to the snake. and no, >its analogous to trapped buffalo being fed to lions. If it's fun feeding mice to snakes and so nourishing, it must be barrels of laughter feeding trapped buffalo, monkeys, or humans to lions. Extremely nourishing to the lions, as well. -- Visit my new webpage - http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Aeris5000/cats.html :If it's fun feeding mice to snakes and so nourishing, it must be barrels of :laughter feeding trapped buffalo, monkeys, or humans to lions. Extremely :nourishing to the lions, as well. If you say so, but since I'm not around lions that often I tend to just watch it on Animal Planet (a cabletv channel) > There is a big difference between a snake > existing in the wild and trying to fend for itself and a human willingly > keeping a pet snake and purchasing live caught and trapped bait that has > absolutely no chance of escape or survival and which the human feeds to the > snake. Unless you feed your cats a vegetarian diet, the animals used to produce the commercial food for them have no chance to escape either. M > > There is a big difference between a snake > > existing in the wild and trying to fend for itself and a human willingly [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Unless you feed your cats a vegetarian diet, the animals used to produce the > commercial food for them have no chance to escape either. Cats are obligate carnivores, they cannot survive on a vegetarian diet, they need animal proteins. If you don't like the concept of what an animal eats, don't keep one, be it a cat, snake or anything else. Ivor > Cats are obligate carnivores, they cannot survive on a vegetarian diet, > they need animal proteins. I've heard of some people trying to feed their cats a vegetarian diet. M : I've heard of some people trying to feed their cats a vegetarian diet. : : M I've heard of that too. and the cats usually end up malnourished from what i understand. It is possible, just not recommended, and if you insist on changing the cat's diet to suit your morality, do it only with a vet's supervision. I'm not coming down on vegetarians, just on those that insist the whole world, including animals, follow it. I'm more the kind of to each his own. Paula I've seen vegetarians who revel in the entertainment of feeding a mouse to a snake. Go figure... I would never attempt to create a vegetarian cat or feed him a meatless diet. You could feed the cat bits of cheese as treats. Is fish considered a meat item? -- Visit my new webpage - http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Aeris5000/cats.html Paula Drennan wrote in message ... >: I've heard of some people trying to feed their cats a vegetarian diet. >: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >his own. >Paula : I've seen vegetarians who revel in the entertainment of feeding a mouse to a : snake. Go figure... I would never attempt to create a vegetarian cat or : feed him a meatless diet. You could feed the cat bits of cheese as treats. : Is fish considered a meat item? I would say it is. considering it once had a heart beat. But if I remember kosher law right, fish is considered a neutral food, it can be eaten with both meat and dairy with no problems. But I could be wrong, it's been a while since i've looked into it. Paula I shouldn't be keeping one or two kittens, for that matter, but I miss my lost cat (who was mostly outdoor), and I wanted the kittens to have a good home and not be kept in a cage all day at the shelter. -- Visit my new webpage - http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Aeris5000/cats.html Ivor Jones wrote in message ... >> > There is a big difference between a snake >> > existing in the wild and trying to fend for itself and a human [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Ivor |
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