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8 Week Kitten w/Fleas

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SamMan - 06 Dec 2003 22:18 GMT
We have a new, 8 week old kitten that we got today. Upon examination, I
discovered the poor little guy is infested with fleas. We have some powder,
but it states not to use on cats under 12 weeks... and that would be him ;-)

The only other two things that I've thought about is FrontLine or a flea
shampoo, but not sure what would be best for the little tike.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks.

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J_Harmeson - 06 Dec 2003 22:49 GMT
Where did you get the cat,

http://www.vetinfo.com/catpara.html
J_Harmeson - 06 Dec 2003 22:52 GMT
Oops, sent the last post without finishing it. You will have fleas in
the house, lots of work ahead.

http://www.flippyscatpage.com/health.html#fleasticks
Ivor Jones - 07 Dec 2003 00:25 GMT
> We have a new, 8 week old kitten that we got today. Upon examination, I
> discovered the poor little guy is infested with fleas. We have some powder,
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> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
> Thanks.

Firstly, I should state that 8 weeks is a little young to take a kitten from
its mother, 10 to 12 weeks is much better for him IMHO.

Having said that, Frontline is an excellent product, although I would ask
your vet before using it on such a youngster. You can only get Frontline
from a vet anyway, and he should have a checkup and be registered there as a
matter of course so your vet can advise when you see him/her.

Hope your new addition is ok, please let us see some photos if possible :-)

Ivor
~*Connie*~ - 07 Dec 2003 02:32 GMT
actually, you can buy frontline over the counter now.. lots of them on ebay.
And you can use it and advantage on kittens as young as 8 weeks..  just
don't use the whole vial.  I had six week old kittens who were dying from
fleas, and I gave them a flea bath, which we all know is ineffective.  I got
one vial of advantage and split it among the four kittens.. worked very
well.  If the fleas have JUST entered your house, you probably don't need to
treat your house.. but if they have been there for a few days to a week you
might want to.

Ive also personally used frontline on young kittens as well.  the vials are
for full size cats, so split the vial among the kittens that would add up to
an average size cat.  So if they weigh 2 lbs, you would split it four ways,
if they weigh a pound, then six or eight.. aka just a drop.

> > We have a new, 8 week old kitten that we got today. Upon examination, I
> > discovered the poor little guy is infested with fleas. We have some
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>
> Ivor
whayface - 07 Dec 2003 16:38 GMT
>Having said that, Frontline is an excellent product, although I would ask
>your vet before using it on such a youngster. You can only get Frontline
>from a vet anyway, and he should have a checkup and be registered there as a
>matter of course so your vet can advise when you see him/her.

You can get Frontline / advantage from http://www.1800petmeds.com/
without prescription.

http://hometown.aol.com/larrystark/my-babies.htm
Ivor Jones - 07 Dec 2003 17:35 GMT
> >Having said that, Frontline is an excellent product, although I would ask
> >your vet before using it on such a youngster. You can only get Frontline
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> You can get Frontline / advantage from http://www.1800petmeds.com/
> without prescription.

Whether for cats or humans, *never* buy any prescription-only drug from
anyone other than a doctor or vet. Anyone who does so for themselves is an
idiot, to do it for an innocent kitten is sheer irresponsibility.

Ivor
~*Connie*~ - 07 Dec 2003 17:40 GMT
Frontline is no longer a prescription only product.  It is sold over the
counter at many pet stores, and 1800pet meds is reputable, and would not
sell medications that need a prescription with out a script.  I know.. they
call me at work all the time asking for them.

> Whether for cats or humans, *never* buy any prescription-only drug from
> anyone other than a doctor or vet. Anyone who does so for themselves is an
> idiot, to do it for an innocent kitten is sheer irresponsibility.
>
> Ivor
Victor Martinez - 07 Dec 2003 22:45 GMT
> Whether for cats or humans, *never* buy any prescription-only drug from
> anyone other than a doctor or vet. Anyone who does so for themselves is an
> idiot, to do it for an innocent kitten is sheer irresponsibility.

You are incorrect. There are many reputable on-line stores that sell
prescription medications for pets. I get my Revolution from
petscriptions.com because it's cheaper than getting them at the vet's.
They always call my vet to get authorization to fill the Rx. I don't see
the problem in that.

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~*SooZy*~ - 08 Dec 2003 13:23 GMT
> > Whether for cats or humans, *never* buy any prescription-only drug from
> > anyone other than a doctor or vet. Anyone who does so for themselves is an
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> They always call my vet to get authorization to fill the Rx. I don't see
> the problem in that.

so can frontline be used on an 8 week old kitten?  don't you have to weigh
the cat first? not everyone has accurate scales, so giving something so
strong to an 8 week old kitten, you need to be very careful!  I don't know
because when I got my kittens the first thing I did was to get a full health
check from my vets. Neither had fleas.....
Ivor Jones - 08 Dec 2003 21:38 GMT
> > Whether for cats or humans, *never* buy any prescription-only drug from
> > anyone other than a doctor or vet. Anyone who does so for themselves is an
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> They always call my vet to get authorization to fill the Rx. I don't see
> the problem in that.

If your vet is consulted and knows that the medication in question is
suitable for your cat then no there isn't a problem, but if not then it's
quite simple. Without a vet, you *don't know* the medication is suitable,
that's why it's a prescription medication. The problem now is that many
sites on the net offer prescription drugs without a prescription, and
without medical supervision this is just plain *wrong* not to mention
dangerous.

Ivor
~*SooZy*~ - 08 Dec 2003 13:19 GMT
> > >Having said that, Frontline is an excellent product, although I would ask
> > >your vet before using it on such a youngster. You can only get Frontline
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>
> Ivor

Yes, Kittens are very delicate little babies!  There is no way I would treat
a young kitten for worms or fleas without it coming from my vet.
I would never buy anything for fleas and worms from any other place, not
after what we have heard about the terrible results from Hartz products!
~*SooZy*~ - 08 Dec 2003 13:14 GMT
> > We have a new, 8 week old kitten that we got today. Upon examination, I
> > discovered the poor little guy is infested with fleas. We have some
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>
> Ivor

yes I agree 8 weeks is too young, I think kittens are given away far too
young! the breeder should of made sure the kittens and Mother did not have
fleas before rehoming them :-(

I should take the kitten to the vet to get a health check done while you are
there they will give you something to get rid of the fleas, and no doubt
worms too!
Aimee S - 07 Dec 2003 00:27 GMT
Advantage works really well and you can get it for 8 week old kittens,
that's all I use.
Good luck with your new baby. ;-))
Guess Wh@-- U got Mail.!!! - 07 Dec 2003 03:30 GMT
How about a flea zapping comb.Dosen't bother the kitten or puppy at all
but is suppose to kill feas. Eggs I don't know but it should work for
them to. Doesn't cost much either.

http://community.webtv.net/Fr0mMyPetz_andI/CHICOPEEMASSTHOMASJ

http://community.webtv.net/Fr0mMyPetz_andI/MASSACHUSETTSANIMAL

http://community.webtv.net/Fr0mMyPetz_andI/AnimalLawinyourState

http://community.webtv.net/Fr0mMyPetz_andI/PETSWITH_
Tabbycat - 07 Dec 2003 06:50 GMT
Why dont you take your kitten along to the vet....Better in the long run and
kinder on the little fella.

Then you can get your kitten examined and maybe the vet will clear up the
problem for you without having to worry about the infestation.

> How about a flea zapping comb.Dosen't bother the kitten or puppy at all
> but is suppose to kill feas. Eggs I don't know but it should work for
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>
> http://community.webtv.net/Fr0mMyPetz_andI/PETSWITH_
~*Connie*~ - 07 Dec 2003 13:51 GMT
> Why dont you take your kitten along to the vet....Better in the long run and
> kinder on the little fella.
>
> Then you can get your kitten examined and maybe the vet will clear up the
> problem for you without having to worry about the infestation.

vets are good, but they can't work miracles.  all they could offer for fleas
would be advantage or frontline.

while on the subject of fleas, a PSA. do not use hartz flea products on your
cat as they are harmful to them.  I can't believe they are still able to
sell it with all the adverse reactions there are out there.
Ivor Jones - 07 Dec 2003 16:36 GMT
> > Why dont you take your kitten along to the vet....Better in the long run
> and
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> vets are good, but they can't work miracles.  all they could offer for fleas
> would be advantage or frontline.

Maybe so, but a youngster like that really should see a vet as a matter of
course after going to a new home. I always take a new cat to the vet as soon
as possible after arrival just for a checkup and to register for future
treatment.

Ivor
~*Connie*~ - 07 Dec 2003 17:42 GMT
> > > Why dont you take your kitten along to the vet....Better in the long run
> > and
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>
> Ivor

well duh.  but some people can't afford a vet visit.. and if it is for
something as simple as flea medication, I was offering information.  and if
she doesn't get the flea meds on the kittens soon they are going to drain
the life right out of those kittens!
Ivor Jones - 07 Dec 2003 18:04 GMT
[snip]

> well duh.  but some people can't afford a vet visit.. and if it is for
> something as simple as flea medication, I was offering information.  and if
> she doesn't get the flea meds on the kittens soon they are going to drain
> the life right out of those kittens!

Hmm, well if you can't afford a vet (and I have every sympathy for those who
find themselves in this position), is it a responsible thing to do to take
on a pet..? Apart from that, any reputable vet should allow some form of
payment plan if you can't afford to pay in full up front.

Ivor
~*SooZy*~ - 08 Dec 2003 13:33 GMT
> [snip]
>
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>
> Ivor

yes I agree, its different if you have already got a pet then your
circumstances change and you haven't the money, but any good pet owner
should put a few pounds away a week for emergency vet treatments!  and any
good vet should allow them to pay treatments off.

My cats are all insured now, but even the excess of ?55.00 is held on my vet
account just in case we ever haven't got it off hand.
~*SooZy*~ - 08 Dec 2003 13:29 GMT
> > > > Why dont you take your kitten along to the vet....Better in the long
> run
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> she doesn't get the flea meds on the kittens soon they are going to drain
> the life right out of those kittens!

No body should ever get a new cat or kitten if they can't afford a trip to
the vets with them!   They should wait till they do have the money!

we have all our cats insured, but before we had insurance I put away some
money for emergencies in case my cat was ever ill.
~*SooZy*~ - 08 Dec 2003 13:24 GMT
> Why dont you take your kitten along to the vet....Better in the long run and
> kinder on the little fella.
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> > but is suppose to kill feas. Eggs I don't know but it should work for
> > them to. Doesn't cost much either.

I agree, every new kitten/cat to your household should always have a health
check done.
Linda Terrell - 07 Dec 2003 08:24 GMT
> We have a new, 8 week old kitten that we got today. Upon examination, I
> discovered the poor little guy is infested with fleas. We have some powder,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
> Thanks.

Revolution has a kitten dose which can be used on kittens
over 6 weeks of age.

But you have to go to the Vet for it.

There are citurs soaps.  I once used some citrus cloths
on a kitten until I could get him some Advantage -- citrus
will chase off the fleas.  But won't kill them.

Hie thee to the Vet.  Fleas can leave a small kitten
anemic

LT
Tabbycat - 07 Dec 2003 12:12 GMT
Not good for humans too!

"Linda Terrell" <lindat5@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:epxRkhlUwRo0-pn2-cRLH6W5DRreW@dialup-67.31.204.83.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.n
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> > We have a new, 8 week old kitten that we got today. Upon examination, I
> > discovered the poor little guy is infested with fleas. We have some powder,
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>
> LT
Linda Terrell - 07 Dec 2003 15:46 GMT
> > We have a new, 8 week old kitten that we got today. Upon examination, I
> > discovered the poor little guy is infested with fleas. We have some powder,
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>
> LT

--PS don't use ANY over the counter flea product on a kitten
(or cat or dog...)

LT
SamMan - 07 Dec 2003 12:18 GMT
Thanks to all for your replies. We just got him yesterday, and have been
keeping him in the basement and away from our other two cats (that is a
different, and funny story), so I'm not too worried about infestation of the
house, at this point. I plan on going to PetSmart as soon as they open this
morning and at least get a flea comb, and hopefully some other meds that I
can put on him.

Yes, vet is a good idea. I was there yesterday with another of our cats for
shots and told her about him. We are going to schedule an appointment, but I
can't wait for a week or two before I at least try and get rid of the
fleas.... then I would have problems, I think.

I'll be sure to take some pix of the little tike!

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> We have a new, 8 week old kitten that we got today. Upon examination, I
> discovered the poor little guy is infested with fleas. We have some powder,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
> Thanks.
~*Connie*~ - 07 Dec 2003 13:53 GMT
FYI.. even if the kittens are in a separate room away from your own cats,
they can crawl under the door and jump on your own cats.  Keep an eye out
for it.  I have 5 cats of my own, and I had two sets of fosters.  One was in
a room downstairs, one set in a room upstairs.  the downstairs kittens had
fleas.. they got out of that room, in my house, then in the upstairs room.
It was quite frustrating.

> Thanks to all for your replies. We just got him yesterday, and have been
> keeping him in the basement and away from our other two cats (that is a
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Victor Martinez - 07 Dec 2003 16:53 GMT
The easiest way to get rid of fleas in a kitten is to bathe him with a
mild soap (ivory is good). Start at the neck and work your way down.
Don't get any soap in their face. Works like a charm and most fleas die
immediately.

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J_Harmeson - 07 Dec 2003 18:07 GMT
I thought product's that are used on a human's are not really safe for
animals.
Other then the soap, a good bath is a good thing, keep the water away
from the ear's as well.
Victor Martinez - 07 Dec 2003 22:46 GMT
> I thought product's that are used on a human's are not really safe for
> animals.

Neutral soaps are quite safe, I'm not sure where you got that idea from.
You know that most commercial brands are actually tested on animals, right?
That's why I only buy products that are animal-friendly.

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Paula Drennan - 09 Dec 2003 19:27 GMT
: > I thought product's that are used on a human's are not really safe for
: > animals.
:
: Neutral soaps are quite safe, I'm not sure where you got that idea from.
: You know that most commercial brands are actually tested on animals, right?
: That's why I only buy products that are animal-friendly.

sad but true, tested on animals...but some are not.

and on the note of washing in mild soap..had a vet recommend Johnson &
Johnson baby shampoo, or palmolive dish soap. with the latter be EXTRA
careful as it can irritate the eyes, but baby shampoo works best IMO. I had
to hand feed/raise some kittens after the mommy died. also there are many
brands of kitten wipes out on the market that are good and there is one that
has a citronella type scent with a skin soother. helps keep soothes the
sores, keeps fleas off, and gives you a chance to bond with kitten without
the trauma of running water.

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~*SooZy*~ - 10 Dec 2003 19:40 GMT
> : > I thought product's that are used on a human's are not really safe for
> : > animals.
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> sores, keeps fleas off, and gives you a chance to bond with kitten without
> the trauma of running water.

that sounds much kinder to a poor little kitten
~*SooZy*~ - 08 Dec 2003 13:35 GMT
> The easiest way to get rid of fleas in a kitten is to bathe him with a
> mild soap (ivory is good). Start at the neck and work your way down.
> Don't get any soap in their face. Works like a charm and most fleas die
> immediately.

bathing a kitten you have just brought in to a new home could be a bit of a
shock to it though! remember its only 8 weeks old it should really still be
with it mother, or a least with its litter mates.
Victor Martinez - 08 Dec 2003 14:36 GMT
> bathing a kitten you have just brought in to a new home could be a bit of a
> shock to it though! remember its only 8 weeks old it should really still be
> with it mother, or a least with its litter mates.

While I agree that an 8 week old kitten should still be with mom, it's
absolutely ok to bathe them to get rid of fleas.

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Todd Copeland - 09 Dec 2003 12:14 GMT
Get rid of fleas... perhaps for a very short time. Fleas lay eggs and soap
does not kill the eggs (it does not kill many fleas eather). Something is
needed to break the cycle. A bath can help but I'd not trust it to "get rid
of fleas".

> The easiest way to get rid of fleas in a kitten is to bathe him with a
> mild soap (ivory is good). Start at the neck and work your way down.
> Don't get any soap in their face. Works like a charm and most fleas die
> immediately.
Victor Martinez - 09 Dec 2003 12:54 GMT
> Get rid of fleas... perhaps for a very short time. Fleas lay eggs and soap
> does not kill the eggs (it does not kill many fleas eather). Something is
> needed to break the cycle. A bath can help but I'd not trust it to "get rid
> of fleas".

Well, let's see. We have 7 cats, six of which came to our home as
kittens. All the kittens had fleas when they got to us. All the kittens
were bathed with mild soap their first day in our house. We've never had
flea problems at all. I'd say it works just fine.

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