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Mike - 18 Nov 2003 00:55 GMT
Isis is my long-haired Tabby. She weighs about 7 1/2 pounds and is fully
clawed.

We've lived together for about 3 years now. I have no problems with her. We
play 'chase me', 'scratch my ears', and 'I'm walking over your shoulders
now', and have developed a good understanding of each other.

A few months ago I took her in for a bath to my vets. The results were
great! She came back smelling nice and clean, she didn't groom herself as
much, and the gakking up of hairballs dropped 99%. So, I decided that
regular baths at the vets would be a great idea. For only $20.00 it's well
worth it.

However, a person at my vet's informed me today that they would no longer
give Isis any more baths. The reason is that Isis does not like baths. In
fact, the last time I took her in it took four (4) people to hold her
steady. There have been bloody injuries. There have been cuts. One time
bath-giver #1 had to call in bath-giver #2 due to battle fatigue. This nice
kitty turns into The Demon from Hell when it comes to a bath. (I had figured
as much before I took her in. <-:)

They told me at the vet's that they would give her a bath if she was
sedated. However, sedation costs $30.00. I want to give her a bath every
couple of months along with some grooming for the little nats she forms on
her flanks but $50.00 is too steep.

I'm wondering if there isn't a way to sedate her without blowing $30.00.
Isn't there something like 'kitty valium' she could be given in a bit of
food? I'm not into drugging my cat but she really does do much better when
she gets her bi-monthly bath.

Ideas?

Thank you!

Mike in Illinois
Tina Laitinen - 19 Nov 2003 05:30 GMT
Your Kitty no Likee bath cause kitty grooms herself and takes a bath as an
offense.  I'm surprised they had trouble giving her a bath.  Usually the job
they do at the vets office is a good one and they usually know how to
restrain em just right.  Do you have one of those enclosed shower thingys?
You know instead of a curtain you have a sliding door?  Those are always
good for giving kitty a bath.  Also those spray head showers the ones that
are decatable.  Cut Kitty's nails before giving her a bath also to avoid
major injuries.  I give my two a bath every Spring and fall.  I have hardly
any trouble. Also you may want to look into a product called Soft Claws to
put over kitties claws so that the vet will take her back to give her a
bath.

Tina

> Isis is my long-haired Tabby. She weighs about 7 1/2 pounds and is fully
> clawed.
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> Mike in Illinois
Mike - 19 Nov 2003 06:17 GMT
Hi, Tina.

I would love to take care of this chore myself but it is impossible. Isis is
very affectionate, playful, and quirky when at home.
Her position on being given medicine or taking a bath is, however, very
clear. The answer is "NO".
Trying to trim her nails, at home, would be an invitation to lacerations and
deep bloody scars.
Isis is fine. Just don't try any funny stuff.

If I don't give her a bath every 6 weeks or so I have problems. She swallows
too much hair and gets hairballs. She gets oily and slick. And the hair
around her rectum grows quite long and begins to collect, well, you know.
That becomes intolerable.

I talked to my vet about this and we are going to try some kind of kitty
chill-out pill that the vet is prescribing. I will sneak 1/2 of it into her
food two hours before a bath/grooming/nail clipping visit. If it isn't
enough they will give her the other 1/2 of the pill at the vet. This will be
far less expensive and intrusive than a $30.00 sedation charge.

You would have to try and bathe her yourself to understand the depth and
dimension of this situation. I guess the closest analogy would be to say
it's like juggling red hot razor blades. After she comes home from a vet
bath she is soooo peaceful. She grooms herself less, she sleeps like never
before, and is quite happy!

Thank you, though, for the suggestions!

Mike in Illinois

> Your Kitty no Likee bath cause kitty grooms herself and takes a bath as an
> offense.  I'm surprised they had trouble giving her a bath.  Usually the job
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> > Mike in Illinois
Melanie Lacasse - 19 Nov 2003 18:47 GMT
Why not try bringing her to a new vet? Otherwise...you may just have to pay
the extra. Or the other alternative...which a lot of people disagree
with...is having your cat declawed. If your cat is strictly an indoor
cat...it could be the perfect solution. Myself...I'm not even sure how I
feel about that one. But...if you have no alternative...then that may be the
perfect solution. However...if your cat is allowed to go outside...it's best
that you don't have him/her declawed for your cats safety.  I hope all works
out for you. I know I've battled quite a few cats in my day...for some
reason...they just don't like water. lol
However...a good vet should be able to handle a cat that doesn't like
baths...I mean...isn't that why you brought your cat there in the first
place? They're supposed to be there to help people with animals that are
impossible to groom (bath and/or nails etc..). I hope that you find the
solution that you are looking for. First thing I would do is call different
vets or pet grooming places and explain the story and see what they have to
say/suggest. Especially groomong places...they would know best.
Good luck!
Melanie

> Hi, Tina.
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> > > Mike in Illinois
Mike - 20 Nov 2003 01:54 GMT
Hi, Melanie. The reason I offloaded this bathing problem to the vet is
because I figured they are the pro's. Well, they are, but when one person
has to call in 3 reinforcements I can understand how a $20.00 bath is
actually a money-loser for the poor guys.

I'm very reluctant to have her declawed. I've seen an instance where
psychological problems occurred. Given Her Majesty's tempermant I wouldn't
begin to guess what I would have as a house-mate if I did that.

Before I look for another vet, which did occur to me, I'm trying the kitty
chill-out pill that the vet is prescribing. It's only a one day every 6 week
deal. We must keep a sense of perspective here. She has a nice house, a
heated kitty nest in the winter, special food, and complete medical and
dental care. Asking her to take one little bitty dope pill every six months
so I don't end up paying even more for grooming costs is not too much to
expect!

Mike "Fighting a Losing Battle" in Illinois

> Why not try bringing her to a new vet? Otherwise...you may just have to pay
> the extra. Or the other alternative...which a lot of people disagree
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> > > > Mike in Illinois
Diana - 19 Nov 2003 21:58 GMT
Mike at mike@spambegone.com wrote on11/19/03 1:17 AM:

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> If I don't give her a bath every 6 weeks or so I have problems. She swallows
> too much hair and gets hairballs. She gets oily and slick. And the hair
> around her rectum grows quite long and begins to collect, well, you know.
> That becomes intolerable.
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> You would have to try and bathe her yourself to understand the depth and
> dimension of this situation. I guess the closest analogy would be to say
> it's like juggling red hot razor blades. After she comes home from a vet
> bath she is soooo peaceful. She grooms herself less, she sleeps like never
> before, and is quite happy!

Hi Mike & Isis,

This is only my opinion: cats that hate baths that much should not be bathed
unless there some huge extenuating circumstance like accidentally getting
something awful all over.  My belief is that you can prevent quite a few of
Isis' hairballs by combing her, as well as keep her nether parts free of the
"well, you know" with the proper comb.  The oiliness can be conquered by
rubbing some corn starch into her fur every week or so as you give her a
good petting, then brushing it out.  Again, only my opinion, she probably
comes home from her vet bath so mellow because she's wiped out from
struggling, and monumentally relieved to finally feel safe once again.
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Diana, keeper of dirty cats

Mike - 20 Nov 2003 01:48 GMT
Hi, Diana.

Isis would say 'hi' except she is sunbathing in her box under my office lamp
at the moment. She's tired from sleeping all day.

You idea about grooming her is great. I like it. You like it. But my cat, my
long-haired Tabby cat, well, she has some very definite ideas about things.
I've tried to groom her. The first two days she took over my house it was ok
but since that time I have been informed that grooming is not a pleasurable
deal. Ear scratching is always a-ok, petting is completely acceptable, but
the rules about using a comb are very strict.

She needs a bath about every 6 weeks otherwise she falls into a perpetual
self-licking cycle which degenerates into hairballs and nats. She gets these
impossible to resolve nats on her flanks. They're little bound up nats of
hair which I have to have removed at the vets. Honest, when she comes home
it's not really relief. Well, maybe it is, but my vet is gentle and caring.
We're all just overwhelmed and controlled by this 7.5 pound bundle of joy.

I have long since surrendered to Her Majesty. Cost is no object. Time is
unimportant. I keep a stock of canned food at all times.

She is hopelessly arrogant and enforces her will with built-in razor blades.
I have surrendered.

Mike in Illinois

> Mike at mike@spambegone.com wrote on11/19/03 1:17 AM:
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> comes home from her vet bath so mellow because she's wiped out from
> struggling, and monumentally relieved to finally feel safe once again.
m. L. Briggs - 20 Nov 2003 05:04 GMT
>Hi, Diana.
>
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>> comes home from her vet bath so mellow because she's wiped out from
>> struggling, and monumentally relieved to finally feel safe once again.
There are some that will brush through tangles without pulling.
Diana - 24 Nov 2003 23:05 GMT
Mike at mike@spambegone.com wrote on11/19/03 8:48 PM:

> Hi, Diana.
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> Mike in Illinois

I hear you, Mike.  Cats rule, and that's only as it should be.  For all the
pleasure they give us, a little bending over backwards to cater to their
requirements as they perceive them is only fair.

Don't give up completely on the grooming.  If you can find a method and a
tool that she will accept, it could eventually become a favorite activity
for both of you. I would stop short of using my own tongue, but other than
that, I'd keep trying.  One of my girls dislikes anything but a certain soft
brush, the other is OK with a comb so long as it has rotating teeth.  Both
have their own opinions about when they will hate it, when they will put up
with it for a limited time, and when they will love it, and I pretty much go
with those.  There are so many different grooming tools out there.  Ever
tried one of those glove things?

I have a friend who has resorted to having her Persian shaved a couple of
times a year -- not what I would do, but then it's not my call.
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Diana

Scot McDermid - 01 Dec 2003 05:39 GMT
This might not be the "approved" method but how about giving
kitty something more like a sponge bath?

That is:
1/  Get a bucket with a small amount of warm water and a small amount
    of cat shampoo mixed in.
2/   Hold your cat wrapped up in a towel (everyone is still dry).
3/   Using a wash cloth, sponge bath Kitty.  Keep her more or less inside
the towel
     and reach underneath the towel to get her wet with the soapy water.
4/   Have an assistant change the water.
5/   Sponge bath her again with the clear water to rinse her off as much as
    possible.

I think my cat gets clean enough and it is much less traumatic for both of
us.
But I think my cat isn't quite so aggresive as yours.  For example, my cat
will let me trim her claws.
 
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