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Robert Bodling - 04 May 2008 16:00 GMT
I was out in my back yard last night cutting down the overgrown tall grass
and weeds and found a couple new born kittens (looks to be a month or so
old, old enough to run and scamper around) hidding in the tall grass and
managed to rescue one of them that had tried to escape and got caught in the
2"x3" (or so) wire we have around the base of our fence (due to the fact
that we used to have a dog in the yard trying to escape).  The kitten is
real fisty and as my son calls it, "a kitten from hell, a demonic cat"
(hisses and lashes at every movement around it [presently caged in a cat
carrier]). Some told me last night that when a human handles the kitten, the
mother cat will abandon it and let it wonder around and die.  Would this
young kitten return to it's family and be welcomed it we let it back out in
the yard this evening after we managed to finish mowing the tall grass down
and cleaning up the back yard?

Secondly, if this kiten was born in the wild, can it be house trained and
would it be tame enough to live inside with humans?
Matthew - 04 May 2008 17:53 GMT
>I was out in my back yard last night cutting down the overgrown tall grass
>and weeds and found a couple new born kittens (looks to be a month or so
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>out in the yard this evening after we managed to finish mowing the tall
>grass down and cleaning up the back yard?

the kitten is scared it has had no human contact it reactions is very
understandable.  To be honest mom and the other kittens have probably
already moved on since the encounter with their hiding spot disturbed  if
mom had not already abandoned them for another reason

> Secondly, if this kiten was born in the wild, can it be house trained and
> would it be tame enough to live inside with humans?
yes at that age that kitten will be able to lose the wild with ease
Ivor Jones - 04 May 2008 18:41 GMT
In news:481dea00$0$30494$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
Matthew <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:

[snip]

: the kitten is scared it has had no human contact it reactions is very
: understandable.  To be honest mom and the other kittens have probably
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
: > trained and would it be tame enough to live inside with humans?
: yes at that age that kitten will be able to lose the wild with ease

The more a kitten is handled by humans in the first few weeks of life the
better. The first 8 weeks are the most critical, if a kitten isn't handled
daily by then they'll be harder to socialise later.

Ivor
William Graham - 04 May 2008 20:53 GMT
>I was out in my back yard last night cutting down the overgrown tall grass
>and weeds and found a couple new born kittens (looks to be a month or so
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Secondly, if this kiten was born in the wild, can it be house trained and
> would it be tame enough to live inside with humans?

Yes. - Even if it lives in the "wild" for several years, it can be captured,
and retrained to live peacefully with humans. - I have a former feral cat
right now that we first started to feed about 5 years ago.....We never
"captured" it, but over the course of 5 years we have been able to
domesticate it just by feeding it and being kind to it. It has turned out to
be a very polite cat.....Naturally housebroken, and tolerant of our other
cats. The usual way, however, is to trap the wild cat, and force it to live
in the house with other inside cats.....In this way, you can domesticate one
in a few weeks. (You do have to get them neutered, however.)
MaryL - 05 May 2008 22:03 GMT
>I was out in my back yard last night cutting down the overgrown tall grass
>and weeds and found a couple new born kittens (looks to be a month or so
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Secondly, if this kiten was born in the wild, can it be house trained and
> would it be tame enough to live inside with humans?

Yes, a kitten of that young age can definitely be house trained and can make
a wonderful indoor pet.  Years ago, I adopted a feral cat that was estimated
to be *eight months* old.  I keep reading that a feral cat of that age can
never become a truly "tame" cat.  Wrong!  It took a couple of years, but he
eventually bonded and you could not have asked for a more loving companion
than he became (and completely indoors).  He lived to be almost 20 years of
age.  Your kitten is so young that it will not take nearly such a long time,
and -- as someone else wrote -- the chances are that the mother cat has
already moved on.  You should consult a vet regarding proper care for such a
young cat, but you will be doing him or her a great favor if you adopt.  A
feral cat that is left out "on its own" can face tremendous difficulties in
life.

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly:      >'o'<
Duffy:  http://tinyurl.com/cslwf
Holly:  http://tinyurl.com/9t68o
Duffy and Holly together:  http://tinyurl.com/8b47e
studio - 05 May 2008 23:26 GMT
On May 5, 5:03 pm, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
wrote:
> Wrong!  It took a couple of years, but he
> eventually bonded and you could not have asked for a more loving companion
> than he became (and completely indoors).

Wow Mary, you're more stubborn than a cat!

> He lived to be almost 20 years of age.

He definitely wouldn't have lived to that ripe old age in the wild.
He must have been...what's the word.......happy.
MaryL - 05 May 2008 23:49 GMT
> On May 5, 5:03 pm, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
> wrote:
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> He definitely wouldn't have lived to that ripe old age in the wild.
> He must have been...what's the word.......happy.

Yes, he really was happy.  And smart!  I was a graduate student at that time
and lived in an apartment (actually, the second floor of a very old frame
house).  The kitchen had a stack of four drawers for utensils, etc.  I would
come home, night after night, and discover that he had opened *every
drawer.*  He would open the bottom drawer, climb into it, then open the next
drawer, etc.  He knew how to open every door and drawer and even knew what a
door knob was for -- I watched him stand on his back legs and put his front
paws on both sides of the door knob and try to turn it (something he
couldn't do, though, since he could not actually "grab" it).  I had friends
who would laugh and laugh because he had a remarkable way of showing them
that they simply "were not welcome."  The door to the hall closet was fairly
loose and had a big gap underneath.  When friends would come over, he would
go to that door, reach under it and pull it open, then go inside, reach
under the door again and pull it shut!  And he would sit inside the closet
until they left.  He truly was a remarkable cat.

MaryL
William Graham - 06 May 2008 01:30 GMT
>> On May 5, 5:03 pm, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
>> wrote:
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>
> MaryL

That is remarkable....I've had several cats who could figure out how to open
doors, but never one that would close them behind themselves.....That's kind
of like teaching a horse to swim on its back........
Mike the Brewer - 13 May 2008 12:21 GMT
>I was out in my back yard last night cutting down the overgrown tall grass
>and weeds and found a couple new born kittens (looks to be a month or so
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Secondly, if this kiten was born in the wild, can it be house trained and
> would it be tame enough to live inside with humans?

I would like to tell my own story here:
A female cat which appeared to be wild came around and I started putting
food down for it. It came at regular times to feed but would run off at the
first sign of a human. It had three kittens in the grass and I observed them
until it took them under next door's shed. However it left the female kitten
and did not return by dusk, so I took this in and reared it successfully ,
feeding it with an eye-dropper and Lactol milk powder mixed with water.
I am told I was very lucky to succeed, gently "topping and tailing "
regularly using a damp sponge. After about 3 weeks it's eyes opened and
eventually she grew into lovely, but small, longhaired cat and lived for
about 13 years.
As for the two tom kittens, I saw them running around after about five or
six weeks. I took a cardboard box which I sealed and cut out a hole just
enough for them to get through, put some cat food in and placed it on the
garden. I watched from a distance and when the kittens had both entered I
sneaked up and put my hand over the hole and brought them indoors.
They would not come out for three days but tempted by food just outside the
box and the presence of the female kitten who was now running around, they
eventually became tame and domesticated. I had the two toms neutered and
they too grew into fine cats...very loving and responsive to humans.
Endnote: There were two more tom kittens the following year and after
catching and domesticating those I was able to find homes for them locally.
The mother was around for several years and in that time I managed to get to
the stage when she she would eat from a bowl while I held it out, but that
as far as it went....as soon as I lifted my thumb on the edge of the bowl
she would spit and back off.......At least I was able to give her a source
of food......which was all she needed.
tension_on_the_wire - 14 May 2008 05:05 GMT
> >I was out in my back yard last night cutting down the overgrown tall grass
> >and weeds and found a couple new born kittens (looks to be a month or so
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I've heard of feral mothers who identified persons as qualified and
willing to take care of their babies and would bring them serial
litters over the years.  Sounds like this mother may have acquiesced
to eat from your bowl as a token of gratitude, but beyond that line
she would step no further.  Nice story, thanks.

--tension
Mike the Brewer - 14 May 2008 22:09 GMT
On May 13, 4:21 am, "Mike the Brewer" <mike_t...@sysmotor.org> wrote:
> "Robert Bodling" <robertbodl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I've heard of feral mothers who identified persons as qualified and
willing to take care of their babies and would bring them serial
litters over the years.  Sounds like this mother may have acquiesced
to eat from your bowl as a token of gratitude, but beyond that line
she would step no further.  Nice story, thanks.

--tension

Yes, I think that must be the case, I have noticed over the years that cats
are very
perceptive and intelligent.
My old ginger tom, adopted from a cat charity, seems to know every word I
say to him
and responds accordingly. Likewise I have come to interpret some of his
noises and body
language and am usually able to give what is asked for.
One of the party pieces is when he is apparently dozing and I say "Lash your
tail Ginger"
his tail promptly goes whipping up and down on whatever he is lying on !
Cats are truly amazing.
Upscale - 14 May 2008 22:28 GMT
"Mike the Brewer" <mike_tech@sysmotor.org> wrote in message
> One of the party pieces is when he is apparently dozing and I say "Lash your
> tail Ginger"
> his tail promptly goes whipping up and down on whatever he is lying on !
> Cats are truly amazing.

I do that. <g>. I stroke my cat until she's perfectly still and then I say
"Tail" and it pops up like an erect pen*s. It always gets guests laughing
their heads off.
Kathy - 15 May 2008 03:06 GMT
> "Mike the Brewer" <mike_tech@sysmotor.org> wrote in message
>> One of the party pieces is when he is apparently dozing and I say "Lash
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> "Tail" and it pops up like an erect pen*s. It always gets guests laughing
> their heads off.

That's funny!!
tension_on_the_wire - 16 May 2008 05:23 GMT
> On May 13, 4:21 am, "Mike the Brewer" <mike_t...@sysmotor.org> wrote:
>
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Too funny.  My current pair are both quite attuned now to a small but
distinct human vocabulary.  More delightful is the precision they are
developing in terms of teaching me their own language, telling me what
they want with their own cat vocabulary.  They only meow when they are
actually trying to tell me they want something, and they will bodily
lead me to where that something is, whether its the bathroom for a
fresh cool sinkie-drinkie, or the litter box needing a clean, or the
front door for outside, or lately, to one of Muezza.Glorio's latest
deceased prisoners of war (mostly birds these days, although last week
he brought home someone's hamster).  But they don't bother doing that
until I have verbally asked them what they want and made it plain that
I heard that summoning meow.  If I mention the word hungry or treats,
or even ask someone else to say it, so that there is no personal body
language interfering, they still start clamoring and running for the
kitchen before I even got up from my seat.  There's definitely a
comfortable feeling of bi-directional communication in the house now.
I get more head butts these days as a result, yay!

--tension
William Graham - 21 May 2008 21:54 GMT
>>I was out in my back yard last night cutting down the overgrown tall grass
>>and weeds and found a couple new born kittens (looks to be a month or so
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> the edge of the bowl she would spit and back off.......At least I was able
> to give her a source of food......which was all she needed.

Male ferals are probably easier to tame, since they don't have kittens to
protect.....We were able to tame ours in about four years by feeding it and
petting it and/or brushing it while it ate, providing that we approached it
on our hands and knees, and didn't stand up.....but it did take a great deal
of patience......Now, he sleeps on our bed and seldom leaves the house......

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