>> I stronglly recommend putting them through the wall or in a window as
>> part of a program for keeping vermin from using the flap.
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> No "vermin" will ever get in, because skunks, possums and racoons are
> nocturnal and you'll never see them during the day.
So are cats - actually all of them are active at some of the same times.
There is no way I could get all fifteen cats inside before sundown -
that's when they prefer to go out, and some of them prefer to come in
around midnight or later ... for that matter, some of them don't come in
at all for days at at a time. If the flap is locked, my cats just tear it
up and come in anyway.
> If possible, a flap in the wall is better than a flap in a door.
I agree, but in many cases, everything that would have to be built for
vermin proofing would have to be built anyway - if you don't have a porch
or patio at a handy level relative to the inside floor you have to build
them a platform outside anyway.

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Upscale - 26 Apr 2008 19:58 GMT
"Ted Davis" <tdavis@umr.edu> wrote in message
> So are cats - actually all of them are active at some of the same times.
> There is no way I could get all fifteen cats inside before sundown -
15 cats? Cat masochist are you? Hell, what's the point with a cat flap? With
that many cats it would be in use all the time. You should wire a generator
to it and recover some electricity. :)
Ted Davis - 27 Apr 2008 01:37 GMT
> "Ted Davis" <tdavis@umr.edu> wrote in message
>> So are cats - actually all of them are active at some of the same times.
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> With that many cats it would be in use all the time. You should wire a
> generator to it and recover some electricity. :)
I live well out in the country, where large clowders are quite normal.
What's unusual about mine is they are neutered and allowed to come inside
when they want to. Some hardly ever go out more than once a day, some
hardly ever come in (in good weather), and some are in and out all the
time.

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William Graham - 26 Apr 2008 21:59 GMT
>>> I stronglly recommend putting them through the wall or in a window as
>>> part of a program for keeping vermin from using the flap.
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> or patio at a handy level relative to the inside floor you have to build
> them a platform outside anyway.
Yes.....I have one that hunts outside most of the night, and only comes in
to sleep all day during the early hours of the morning.....but he is fairly
young (about 4 years old) The others spend most of the night sleeping inside
the house. They do, however sleep near the cat door, and police it to not
allow any stranger from coming in, so I don't have to worry much about the
raccoons and/or possums. Two of them will actually team up to attack
raccoons if they try to come in.....This is highly unusual......Most of the
time cats are loners and won't team up for much of anything.......
Ted Davis - 27 Apr 2008 01:33 GMT
> Yes.....I have one that hunts outside most of the night, and only comes in
> to sleep all day during the early hours of the morning.....but he is
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> unusual......Most of the time cats are loners and won't team up for much
> of anything.......
Some of mine team up for hunting (mostly siblings), but they ignore coons,
possums, and (thankfully) skunks, regardless of who else is around.
I recall one time Mudpie and Fleagor teamed up to drive off a strange tom
cat. Fleagor sat down in front of the stranger where he could show off
his huge size to best advantage (Fleagor is a Main Coon Cat type cat,
though small for that breed, he's huge by ordinary cat standards) while
Mudpie (near the large end of the normal size range) mounted a flanking
sneak attack. The stranger saw them both and decided that a hasty retreat
was in order.

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Cat Guy - 27 Apr 2008 02:23 GMT
> > Keep your cats indoors overnight, and lock/shut the flap
> > overnight.
> > No "vermin" will ever get in, because skunks, possums and racoons
> > are nocturnal and you'll never see them during the day.
>
> So are cats
> There is no way I could get all fifteen cats inside before
> sundown
I have 7 cats (one of which is 16 and spend most of his time sleeping)
so basically we have 6 active cats and by 11:30 pm we'll have most or
all of them in the house by that time. We'll close the back screen
door (which effectively closes off the cat door) and open the front
door and let the stragglers in for the night. In the winter (from
mid-november until mid-april) it's too cold for them anyways. Once
they're all in, and all the lights are off and everyone (including me
and my SO) are in bed, everyone settles down to sleep. In mid to late
summer, one or two of them will sleep on the front porch all night,
but those are our 2 most recent strays who are still integrating into
our household.
> > If possible, a flap in the wall is better than a flap in a
> > door.
>
> I agree, but in many cases, everything that would have to be
> built for vermin proofing would have to be built anyway
Well, like I said, cats seem to have no problems adjusting to sleeping
indoors overnight and being active during the day (well, part of the
day anyways).