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Talker - 27 Mar 2008 02:47 GMT
Two weeks ago I lost my 11 year old cat, Lucky, to an infection which led
to organ failure.  She wandered into our yard one day and stayed.  She
wasn't reaaly an outside cat.  It was obvious she was an inside cat that
someone dumped at the school next door.  She was so skinny and malnourished
- no claws so she couldn't even hunt.  Lucky she found our house before she
starved to death - hense the name.  

For the past 4 months we have also had a outside cat.  Twitch also just
kind of wandered up one day.  Twich was never really interested in coming
inside as Lucky wouldn't let her.  Now though, she seems to know that Lucky
is gone and takes every opportunity to come in.  For the last couple of
days we have been letting her in for a few hours and putting her back out
at night.  (It's not as heartless as it sounds, she has a waterproof  
"kitty" house on the back porch with an outdoor heating pad so she stays
dry, snug, and warm.)

I think Twitch would adopt to being an indoor cat fairly easily, BUT as
always there are problems. I have never really tried to take an outside cat
and bring it in.  Lucky was an exception, she wasn't really an outside cat.
First, Twitch LOVES to claw EVERYTHING from the carpet to the furniture.  
Can't seem to get her to use a scratching post.  Also, I don't know if she
can adopt to a litter box.  She loves to play and dig in it, but doesn't
use it.  Since she doesn't stay in for more than a few hours it hasn't been
a problem - but later?  Also, right now, with work and school schedules, we
aren't even home for 12 hours of the day.  There isn't anyone here to
supervise her.  My wife is especially concerned about the scratching - our
furniture may not be the best but we'd like it to stay that way.

Can anyone offer suggestions?

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Spider - 27 Mar 2008 20:36 GMT
> Two weeks ago I lost my 11 year old cat, Lucky, to an infection which led
> to organ failure.  She wandered into our yard one day and stayed.  She
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>
> Can anyone offer suggestions?

Hi Talker,

Sorry to hear about Lucky.  It's always painful to lose a furry friend, but
I'm sure she had a good life with you.

I wonder why you're considering trying to adapt Twitch to an indoor life?
Perhaps it's because you miss Lucky indoors, which is understandable.
However, I don't think you'll find it very easy.  Twitch seems to love the
great outdoors and, more recently, the choice of coming in at will.  In my
experience, an outdoor cat greatly resents being kept inside and is
thoroughly miserable.  You may find, though, that Twitch naturally increases
her indoor time now that Lucky can't prevent her.

Because you both have busy lives, why not continue to live with the existing
arrangement, at least during the week.  At the weekends you could make a
point of inviting Twitch inside and observing her behaviour, controlling her
when she's naughty or destructive, and generally training her.  Limit her to
rooms downstairs, if you can.  If the children are old enough, they could
help.  After a while, you will know how adaptable she is and if this is what
she wants.  Be prepared to play with her, as cats are often destructive when
they're bored.  Twitch may, of course, be puzzled and hurt by this "yes you
can/no you can't come indoors" treatment, so you'll need to be sensitive to
her feelings.  Perhpaps, during the week, you could just let her into the
kitchen so she gradually learns to respect your belongings.  My cats are
indoor/outdoor cats - they do their toilet in the garden, but adapt to a
litter tray indoors.  They have trees outside that I allow them to scratch,
but for indoors they seem to prefer their very own coir doormat.  There is
no destruction of furniture or furnishings.  However, I trained them both
very firmly from kittens.

It is important to consider the age of your children.  If they are very
young, they may torment Twitch as they play.  It is important, in this case,
to provide a secure shelter for Twitch so that she can escape and rest.  The
last thing you want is a taunted cat lashing out at the children, so the
children need to know that Twitch has her own refuge which must be
respected.

Whatever rules you lay down, or training you adopt, you must all be as
consistent as possible.  Also, don't always just wait for Twitch to be
naughty and moan; praise her whenever she's good so she learns that's the
best/easiest way to live.  When you tell her off, don't keep  harping on
about her misdeed; let the incident go until the next naughtiness episode.
She will soon learn how to keep you happy with her.

Do let us know how you get on.  Most people here have dealt with similar
problems and will be able to advise you as you handle specific problems.
Who knows, you may be giving us tips soon!

Good luck,
Spider
philo - 29 Mar 2008 14:02 GMT
> Two weeks ago I lost my 11 year old cat, Lucky, to an infection which led
> to organ failure.  She wandered into our yard one day and stayed.  She
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>
> Can anyone offer suggestions?

Quite a few cats, if raised indoors and have never been outside...
will be fine with being raised as an indoor cat.

However, if a cat has been outdoors for any length of time...
It's difficult or impossible to convert one into a house cat
William Graham - 29 Mar 2008 20:26 GMT
>> Two weeks ago I lost my 11 year old cat, Lucky, to an infection which led
>> to organ failure.  She wandered into our yard one day and stayed.  She
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> However, if a cat has been outdoors for any length of time...
> It's difficult or impossible to convert one into a house cat

The question everyone should ask when considering things like this, is
whether you want to keep the cat for yourself, or for the cat? - IOW, does
the cat's life belong to it, or to you?

I believe in freedom. That means I think that everyone's (and every
animal's) life belongs to it, and not to me or anyone else. So, I will try
to keep my cats healthy and out of harm as much as is easily possible, but I
will not try to control their whole lives to an unreasonable
degree......That means that I will let them out if that's what they want.
After all, it's their life, and not mine. That having been said, I would
like to say that most of my cats hardly ever leave the premises.....They
would much rather sleep on my couch than wander around in the cold. But part
of the reason for that is that they know that they can leave anytime they
want. Come to think of it, I am the same way. Just knowing that I can go
anywhere I want is good enough for me.......
philo - 29 Mar 2008 21:37 GMT
> >> Two weeks ago I lost my 11 year old cat, Lucky, to an infection which led
> >> to organ failure.  She wandered into our yard one day and stayed.  She
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> want. Come to think of it, I am the same way. Just knowing that I can go
> anywhere I want is good enough for me.......

Yes.
Though of course cats are safer if always kept in the house...and
though my present cat has absolutely no desire to go outside...

I've had a number of cats through the years that dash out the door any time
they can get a chance. It's obvious that they want to be outdoors and though
it's a dangerous world out there...
I feel that it's their decision.

Most of the cats I've raised like that have lived very long and happy lives.

Note: About two years ago I lost one though. She was very much a free spirit
and about as close to a feral cat
as I've ever seen. It was simply in her nature to go outside. Though we
tried to raise her as an indoor cat...
we would have virtually had to have her caged to keep her from escaping.
Though I am very sad to say she had a shorter life than usual...I know her
life was lived to the fullest
and she was one happy creature while she lived.
She would have been quite miserable had she been kept indoors.
William Graham - 29 Mar 2008 22:43 GMT
>> >> Two weeks ago I lost my 11 year old cat, Lucky, to an infection which
> led
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> and she was one happy creature while she lived.
> She would have been quite miserable had she been kept indoors.

Yes. - And therein lies the dilemma.....Deciding how miserable you should
make your cat in the interest of safety. And, I suppose the same dilemma
applies to one's own life too. I don't rock climb or sky dive, but I do
motorcycle and swim with the sharks.....To each his own. - I do worry about
my cats when they are gone, but fortunately, that doesn't happen very often.
Whizzkaz - 29 Mar 2008 21:49 GMT
> Two weeks ago I lost my 11 year old cat, Lucky, to an infection which
> led to organ failure.  She wandered into our yard one day and stayed.

She wandered into your yard ..... AFTER she died? Must be one of them
there zombie cats. Decapitation is the only answer.

> For the past 4 months we have also had a outside cat.
> Twitch also just kind of wandered up one day.

Hmmm. There's a bit of a "theme" going on, here. You're not enticing
these poor creatures to your yard with snacks, etc, for food/sexual
purposes, or something, are you?

> First, Twitch LOVES to claw EVERYTHING from the carpet
> to the furniture. Can't seem to get her to use a scratching post.

Try beating her thoroughly with a baseball bat or pickaxe handle every
time she does it. I *guarantee* that she'll get the picture very quickly.

> My wife is especially concerned about the scratching - our
> furniture may not be the best but we'd like it to stay that way.

You'd like your furniture to stay not the best? What strange people you are.

> Can anyone offer suggestions?

Yes, but I wouldn't want to appear impolite.
Mike P - 29 Mar 2008 22:48 GMT
> Two weeks ago I lost my 11 year old cat, Lucky, to an infection which led
> to organ failure.  She wandered into our yard one day and stayed.  She
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>
> Can anyone offer suggestions?

Sorry to hear about your loss :-(It's always sad to lose a much loved pet,
you have my sympathy.

What about getting a cat-door fitted, then Twitch can come and go as she
pleases? If you put something "citrusy" on the things she likes to claw in
the house, she will soon stop (in my experience anyway). I have a cat door,
my cats come and go as they please. They're happy, I'm happy :-)

Of course, you may have to get used to "gifts" if you decide to fit a cat
door. I don't mind, but my wife isn't too enamoured by the sight of a
dismembered squirrel or large mouse :-)

just my 2 cents worth..

Mike P
William Graham - 29 Mar 2008 22:58 GMT
> my cats come and go as they please. They're happy, I'm happy :-)
>
> Of course, you may have to get used to "gifts" if you decide to fit a cat
> door. I don't mind, but my wife isn't too enamoured by the sight of a
> dismembered squirrel or large mouse :-)

Mine bring them in very alive, and then play with them until they lose
interest, and then walk away, leaving mouse, bird, or whatever to search for
a way out......I frequently have to leave my doors and windows open all day
hoping that whatever it is will be able to escape.......
Mike P - 29 Mar 2008 23:05 GMT
>> my cats come and go as they please. They're happy, I'm happy :-)
>>
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> for a way out......I frequently have to leave my doors and windows open
> all day hoping that whatever it is will be able to escape.......

One of my cats  - Panda - brings in Frogs and then just watches them hop
about. I usually catch them in a pan, shut him in and put them outside.

The other cat   - Max - brings things in dead. He's not interested in the
usual voles and small mice. He brings in grey squirrels, large birds and
rats. One on occasion we had a small rabbit.  Funny thing is, he's a small
cat. He's obviously caught them himself as he's usually got a bloody face.
Nothing he ever leaves for us *ever* has a head.  He eats the head only, and
leave the rest. Weird..

mike p

Mike P
William Graham - 30 Mar 2008 05:47 GMT
>>> my cats come and go as they please. They're happy, I'm happy :-)
>>>
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> Nothing he ever leaves for us *ever* has a head.  He eats the head only,
> and leave the rest. Weird..

A lot depends on where he was brought up.....Farm cats tend to be good
hunters and usually eat whatever they catch. My Burger King cat won't eat
anything but kibbles, although he likes chocolate milk shakes, too.....I
guess he was really sick and tired of living on onion rings and French
fries...
Talker - 01 Apr 2008 02:56 GMT
To all who offered advise, I thank you.  To Whizzkaz, spammer
extraordinaire, go somewhere eles and eat your own sh.t.

For the moment, Twitch is living a dual life.  When we get home she comes
in with us.  At night, she seems content to sleep at the foot of the bed.  
In the day when we leave, she goes back outside.  When she's in, if she
stands by the door at anytime, she's allowed to go back out.  When she's
out, we let her back in when we hear her.  She seems to prefer this, most
of the time. On occasion, she doesn't want to go out in the morning.  

She has shown that she can and will use a litter box, so that's one
question answered.  We are learning to contoll her scratching.  So far a
stong "No" works.  We have a couple of scratching posts and a scratching
box.  When we tell her "No" she usually goes to one of the scratching
posts.  We'll keep working on that.  We are leaning toward trimming her
claws to hold down on the damage to the furniture and to ourselves (she
tends to get a little carried away and draws blood.)

Right now, we are content to allow it to go on like this for a while,
except or course she has a physical scheduled later this week with the vet.    

For those who meantioned it, most of the "cat" things we can live with and
don't mind, even if we don't understand.  Like the presents she leaves on
the doorstep.  We can live with that, but we'd prefer it if she would leave
the the poor cardinals alone.  Oh and her fascination with dirty socks,
what's up with that?

Again, thanks for all the advise.

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Upscale - 01 Apr 2008 07:30 GMT
"Talker" <hsprayberry@lexcominc.net> wrote in message
> posts.  We'll keep working on that.  We are leaning toward trimming her
> claws to hold down on the damage to the furniture and to ourselves (she
> tends to get a little carried away and draws blood.)

I used to be able to trim my Deetoo's claws while she would just sit there,
but that changed at one point to where I now have to wrap her up fully in a
towel and extract one paw at a time for trimming. I only trim her front paws
since those are the claws that get really sharp. She resists and whines a
bit, but it's all over in five minutes and off she goes until the next
trimming a month later. The 'towel' method may or may not be useful to you
because Twitch is not a fully domesticated cat and it might scare her off
permanently and I know you don't want that. That being said, you might try a
partial towel method where you wrap all paws up but not her head and then
extract one paw at a time for trimming. The only hazard that you'd have to
watch for biting, but at the very least it eliminates flailing paws and
claws from drawing blood.
Whizkazz - 01 Apr 2008 11:26 GMT
> To all who offered advise, I thank you.  To Whizzkaz, spammer
> extraordinaire, go somewhere eles and eat your own sh.t.

My own sh.t? As opposed to someone else's, you mean? You're a weirdo!

> We are learning to contoll her scratching.
> So far a stong "No" works.

Well, you certainly can't beat a stong No. "No" by itself is super; but
a stong one is the dog's bollocks, in a manner of speaking.

> (she tends to get a little carried away and draws blood.)

When she does that, simply punch her in the face then shut her in the
fridge for an hour or so. That'll teach her!

> We can live with that, but we'd prefer it if she would leave
> the the poor cardinals alone.

The the cardinals? Now, you're not talking about those camp catholic
priest guys in the red frocks, are you?

> Oh and her fascination with dirty socks, what's up with that?

It's maybe her way of telling you that you don't wash your feet often
enough. After all, she's given you enough hints that your furniture
isn't up to scratch. Mmf!
 
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