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DanS - 21 Jan 2008 21:08 GMT
I have two cats, about 2 1/2 years old.  One is overweight at about
17.4 pounds.  The last time I was at the vet, she was telling me that
it's best for cats to have primarily canned food with just a little dry
food if they enjoy it.  Up until then, my cats had primarily dry food
and a can of Fancy Feast split between them in the morning and in the
evening.

Since talking to her, I've tried to up their canned food intake and
scale down the dry, but they're obviously not happy about it.  I have a
dry food dispenser that you can set the times and quantities and I've
cut it back to a small amount twice a day.  I think that in all this
transition, my large cat is even heavier now.  Part of me says to keep
trying with the canned, and the other part says that I should revert to
the way things were when they were happier - plus dry food is easier,
especially when I travel.  I could get a diet dry food perhaps to help
get his weight under control.

I guess I'm curious for opinions and to see what others feed their cats.

Thanks,

Dan
William Graham - 21 Jan 2008 21:52 GMT
>I have two cats, about 2 1/2 years old.  One is overweight at about
> 17.4 pounds.  The last time I was at the vet, she was telling me that
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>
> Dan

Mine eat whatever and whenever they want, but they are all too fat, and I
have been presented with a potential new problem. the Vet thinks that one of
them might be infected with FIV, or Kitty leukemia, and I have to worry
about it infecting the other three cats. I have been thinking of getting
four wooden boxes, covered on both top and bottom, and putting a cat door in
each box, with a sliding door in it to block the entrance as necessary. Then
I will put one cat's name on each box, so each cat will come to know that it
can only eat (and drink)out of its own box, and then, only when I open the
door for it. This way, I will not only be able to control what and how much
each cat eats, but I will be able to make sure the FIV infected cat doesn't
contaminate my other three cats through shared food and water dishes. Does
anyone here have any reason to believe that this won't work? And, if not,
then why not?
mlbriggs - 22 Jan 2008 00:34 GMT
>>I have two cats, about 2 1/2 years old.  One is overweight at about
>> 17.4 pounds.  The last time I was at the vet, she was telling me that
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> and water dishes. Does anyone here have any reason to believe that this
> won't work? And, if not, then why not?

Step I:    Teach the cats to read!
William Graham - 22 Jan 2008 01:34 GMT
>>>I have two cats, about 2 1/2 years old.  One is overweight at about
>>> 17.4 pounds.  The last time I was at the vet, she was telling me that
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> Step I:    Teach the cats to read!

Ha! - No, the labels will be for me to read. I expect the cats to learn
their own feeding station by smell and orientation......My problem will be
having to unlock the doors manually for each cat. I wish those electronic
cat doors were cat's collar specific, but they are not, Any cat with a
magnetic collar can open any of them. So I will have to be home when any of
my four cats gets hungry.
Stan Brown - 22 Jan 2008 03:04 GMT
Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:52:13 -0800 from William Graham <weg9
@comcast.net>:
> Then I will put one cat's name on each box, so each cat will come
> to know that it can only eat (and drink)out of its own box, ...
> Does anyone here have any reason to believe that this won't work?

Of course it won't work. You don't think they'll let on that they can
read, do you?

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snuffypots@gmail.com - 28 Jan 2008 22:33 GMT
> >I have two cats, about 2 1/2 years old.  One is overweight at about
> > 17.4 pounds.  The last time I was at the vet, she was telling me that
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How about feeding them in 4 different rooms. Put a cat in a room with
its food and close the door. Go back 1/2 hour later.  Remove the
remaining food from each room and dump it in the garbage disposal and
sterilize the dishes with boiling water and clorine bleach.  Let each
cat out to play but watch out they dont kiss each other.  Feed them
once a day.  Don't you think its kind of futile to try to prevent
contamination?  They've been together for a long while already.
William Graham - 28 Jan 2008 23:14 GMT
On Jan 21, 4:52 pm, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "DanS" <djlstew...@TAKE-OUTmac.com> wrote in message
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How about feeding them in 4 different rooms. Put a cat in a room with
its food and close the door. Go back 1/2 hour later.  Remove the
remaining food from each room and dump it in the garbage disposal and
sterilize the dishes with boiling water and clorine bleach.  Let each
cat out to play but watch out they dont kiss each other.  Feed them
once a day.  Don't you think its kind of futile to try to prevent
contamination?  They've been together for a long while already.

Well, you're partly right.....The one with the FIV (if he has it) is the
feral cat, and he has never had much to do with the other three cats. The
vet says that they won't contaminate each other if just a few minutes goes
by between feeding/drinking.....IOW, the virus only lives for a few minutes
outside a cat's body, and the feral cat never eats or drinks anything like
close to the times that the other cats do. Also, the feral cat eats roasted,
chopped chicken almost exclusively, and the other cats don't much like
it.....They like canned and/or dry food. I would still like to train them to
each eat out of their own plates, and isolate those plates in separate boxes
just to be sure......Also, this would give me better control over their
weight......(they are all too fat) But they are all "outside" cats, so I
have only limited control over what they do anyway.......
Upscale - 29 Jan 2008 01:02 GMT
"William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
> weight......(they are all too fat) But they are all "outside" cats, so I
> have only limited control over what they do anyway.......

There's still opportunity for some control. The responsible thing to do
would be to have the other cats inoculated against FIV.
blkcatgal - 22 Jan 2008 04:40 GMT
Your vet is right.  Canned food is better for your cats.  Dry is higher in
calories.  I feed my 2 cats one 3oz can of food each -- one half in morning
and one half in evening -- and 1/2 cup of dry each -- 1/4 in morning and 1/4
in evening.  If your cats are really that unhappy about eating canned food,
you could just feed them what you did before but decrease the amount of dry.
Also, try playing more with your cat that is overweight.  The exercise will
help him lose weight.

S.
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>I have two cats, about 2 1/2 years old.  One is overweight at about
> 17.4 pounds.  The last time I was at the vet, she was telling me that
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> Dan
DanS - 23 Jan 2008 16:08 GMT
> Your vet is right.  Canned food is better for your cats.  Dry is higher in
> calories.  I feed my 2 cats one 3oz can of food each -- one half in morning
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>
> S.

It's not so much that they're unhappy with the canned food, they don't
like the dry being restricted.  I heard one of them walking around
meowing at 5am this morning and I know it's because he was hungry and
wanted his dry food out.

I was thinking of feeding them Drs Foster and Smiths canned foods
(splitting a 5.5 oz can twice a day), which are supposed to be very
good.  Perhaps if they had a good canned food like that, I could leave
the dry food out and they just wouldn't eat it as much since they would
be getting good nutrition from the canned.  Either that or they would
fill up on the dry and not eat much of the canned.

Dan
MaryL - 24 Jan 2008 00:41 GMT
>> Your vet is right.  Canned food is better for your cats.  Dry is higher
>> in
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>
> Dan

A good quality canned food is *much* better for your cats.  Dry food is high
in carbs, which cats don't need.  Cats that eat dry food are more prone to
problems such as kidney problems and diabetes.  I went through exactly the
same issues that you describe when I moved my two cats from dry to canned,
and I felt really guilty about it.  However, you need to "bite the bullet"
and realize that they will adjust -- and that it will be much better for
their health.  To ease the transition, you might try letting them have a
*very small* amount of dry food and gradually reduce it to nothing.
Incidentally, it's a myth to think that cats will not overeat.  They will,
and you can avoid that by giving them a correct amount of canned food.  I
use several varieties of Wellness canned, and my twosome are thriving on it.
I give 1/3 can (5.5 oz size) of canned food per cat, twice a day, fed at
12-hour intervals or as close to that as possible.  That doesn't sound like
much, but Wellness has enough nutrition that their weight has remained
exactly stable.  Of course, the amount would need to vary if your cats are a
different size.  In my case: Duffy weighs a little more than 8 pounds, and
Holly weighs 9 pounds.

MaryL
M.A.P. - 22 Jan 2008 13:37 GMT
>I have two cats, about 2 1/2 years old.  One is overweight at about
> 17.4 pounds. The last time I was at the vet, she was telling me that
> it's best for cats to have primarily canned food with just a little dry
> food if they enjoy it.  Up until then, my cats had primarily dry food
> and a can of Fancy Feast split between them in the morning and in the
> evening.

My CC Kitty hates canned food! She's a rather long cat and weighs in at 14.2
pounds & is 8 years old. I've been told she needs to lose weight, although
when she's standing and you look at her from the top (like the charts in the
vet's office says), she has a fully defined waist and a broad, deep rib
cage. What makes her "fat" is the spay tummy she has had ever since her
spaying at 10 months old - it almost drags on the ground and the vet says
gravity will only drag it lower!

The vet told me nothing about canned food, but did say that I should give
her the highest protein content I can find (Purina One is 36 to 39 percent).
The higher the protein content, the more satisfying the food, and the less
she will eat. Right now, she is eating about 5/8 cup a day. But I don't
think she's lost any weight!!!

They also told me to brush her teeth! Try starting that on a 'senior' cat!

Merryann
William Graham - 23 Jan 2008 04:14 GMT
They also told me to brush her teeth! Try starting that on a 'senior' cat!

> Merryann
Yes. Vets are prone to offering such ridiculous suggestions. - It's no
problem for them.....They just tranquilize every cat they get a hold of from
the get-go, and then do anything to it they want or need to do. I can't get
one of my cats to go anywhere or do anything. It took several years for me
to get my feral male into a cat carrier so the vet could fix him and give
him his shots. Now I am trying to figure out how to keep them out of each
other's food and water dishes......The idea of having to brush their teeth
is laughable! The best I can do is to feed them food that is not known for
rotting their teeth, and to have them inspected at regular intervals by the
vet to see that they don't need dental care, and if they do, to let the vet
tranquilize them and give it to them.
studio - 23 Jan 2008 07:32 GMT
> "DanS" <djlstew...@TAKE-OUTmac.com> wrote in message
>
> > Up until then, my cats had primarily dry food
> > and a can of Fancy Feast split between them in the morning and in the
> > evening.

Not sure, but it might help to buy the Fancy Feast cans that don't
contain
wheat gluten.
Some experts believe that the wheat gluten binds itself to kitty's
intestines,
making digestion and excretion harder, among other possible health
risks.

>  I've been told she needs to lose weight, although
> when she's standing and you look at her from the top (like the charts in the
> vet's office says), she has a fully defined waist and a broad, deep rib
> cage. What makes her "fat" is the spay tummy she has had ever since her
> spaying at 10 months old - it almost drags on the ground and the vet says
> gravity will only drag it lower!

lol...my Big Mama has that flappy belly skin also...but due to having
babies
long ago...it just never retightened.
When she runs, it flaps from side to side and looks so funny.
Some people think she is fat, but she isn't, she's just pleasantly
plump
with some extra skin.

That all said; it's important kitty have exersize, or they will just
lay around
and eat more from being stressed out.

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