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Cat peeing in laundry - help!?

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RevRagnarok - 11 Oct 2003 11:52 GMT
Hello All,

 Our cat has started taking a liking to urinating in the laundry
basket, with clean/or dirty laundry in it. :( A little background, and
maybe somebody out there will have an idea.

 We got Freya last Feb from a shelter. She was "about 4" at the time.
She was litter trained, but had abandonment issues since the previous
owner actually moved out and left her behind in the apartment! :( From
day one, she's had her litter box and has used it, never had an
accident. We clean it regularly, at most it sits for 32 hours, but
usually 24.

 The litter box is nice and private, way off in the corner of an
unfinished basement in a 3 story townhouse (bedrooms - living area -
basement). About 2 months ago, I installed a cat door into the basement
from the living room. Sometimes she seems a little uncomfortable with
it, but she uses it. The laundry basket that she likes now is in our
bedroom on the top floor (so one of the reasons may be laziness).

 This is the fourth time she's peed on our laundry. The first two I
think she is allowed an excuse:

1. A few months ago - I was trying to toilet train her, and she didn't
like when her litter box went away and she had to use a big bowl of
litter that was in the toilet. So she peed in a pile that wasn't in a
basket. Didn't find it for a week. :( Realized she had not gone for a
day and gave her back the litter box.

2. About 2 weeks ago - We got a rock tumbler. If you don't know what
that is, think of a handful of rocks slowly rotating in a plastic cup,
with a little electric motor. 24 hours a day. For weeks. It is fairly
loud. It had been on the other end of the basement fine for about 2
weeks, but was moved to what we believe was too close to the box because
she didn't use it for a day. Went in the laundry once, we moved the rock
tumbler back to its original spot, and everything was fine.

3. A week ago (so this is 1 week after back to normal), she just
randomly went in the laundry. Found it, got upset, but we know her
little kitty brain cannot corrolate that far after the fact (it was
found damp, but definitely not new) so we never scolded her for it. We
thought she may have drank too much - recently she had started drinking
water from the sink after we brush our teeth (she's never been partial
to water bowls) so we figured she may have overdid it that time. She has
been banned from the bathroom since then, and we have one of those kitty
fountains on order for the basement.

4. This morning. I woke up hearing her collar going 'tink tink tink' and
thought to myself why it would make that kind of noise? Then it clicked
that she could be doing a burying motion, I sit up, and as soon as she
saw me move hopped out of the basket (so she KNOWS she's not supposed to
do that). I yelled and chased her out of the bedroom, and she
immediately ran to the basement (using the cat door).

 Well, any ideas? I don't think she's sick, because she has been acting
active all the time playing with us and her toys. She hasn't been any
more vocal than usual (which is very rare, except if she thinks we all
left the house she cries sometimes). Friends tell me I should feel lucky
since it's always been in/on removable items, as in it has never soaked
into the carpet/padding yet, but getting the stains and smell out sure
isn't fun. And the carpet is less than a year and a half old, so I guess
I am lucky. None of the incidents happened right after a vacation or
anything like that either.

- Aaron
Sam - 11 Oct 2003 12:07 GMT
>   Our cat has started taking a liking to urinating in the laundry
> basket, with clean/or dirty laundry in it.
[massive snip]

You're making this WAY harder than it needs to be.  Just put the laundry
in a room (close the door) or up on a shelf where the cat can't get to
it.  Problem solved.
MaryL - 11 Oct 2003 18:21 GMT
> Hello All,
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
>  - Aaron

There are several possibilities that I can think of:
(1) First and foremost, have your cat checked for possible medical problems.
You cannot make this assumption based simply on how she plays or interacts.
Inappropriate urination is often one of the first signs of urinary tract
infections.  If so, that is treatable (and usually inexpensive); but if left
untreated, it can be fatal.  Moreover, she may start to associate the pain
of urination with the litter box if your cat has UTI.
(2) Laundry baskets seem to act as an attractant to many cats.  Assuming no
medical problems, this is one of the places cats often use.  It may be that
the detergent attracts them, or possibly even the scent of the basket.  At
any rate, you can solve that problem by placing the basket in area out of
the cat's reach -- for example, place the laundry basket in a closed closet,
or close a door to the laundry room so the cat can't enter.
(3) You should make litter boxes as accessible to the cat as possible.  From
your message, it appears that the opposite was done when you placed the
litter box in a position where your cat has go go through the cat door.
This would not bother many cats, but you said that your cat is
"uncomfortable" with it.  If possible, you should have a litter box on each
floor.  This is particularly true if this is not "laziness" on your cat's
part (for example, it there is UTI).
(4) Are the boxes kept clean?  Cats are very clean animals, and many will
not use litter boxes that are allowed to get dirty.  Again, I admit that
this is not always true -- but it is true in enough cases that this would be
a "primary suspect" to me if the boxes are not cleaned every day.  You did
say that your are cleaned regularly, so this may not be a problem.  On the
other hand, is it possible that they are "out of sight, out of mind"? -- in
other words, do you sometimes forget to clean them because they are not
visible to you.  I suggest that you add a box to an area that is close to
your activities.  I do not suggest that you set one up in the traffic area!!
...just that it be close by.  For example, I have a walk-in closet in my
computer room where I keep books and supplies.  I have reserved the floor of
one side for one of my litter boxes.  It is close by and I can hear when
they use it (which also makes it easy to monitor that box to see if there is
any problem, such as straining -- which is another signal of UTI).  Another
box is in a corner of a room that I use for painting (frequent) and for
exercise (almost never, unfortunately).  Again, I can easily monitor it.
(5) A general rule of thumb is one box for each cat plus one extra.  You
have that, but your set-up -- three stories plus the need to go through a
cat door and down to the basement for one of the boxes  -- signals a need
for more boxes.
(6) You have mentioned several events that could be stressful to her, and
than can have a cumulative effect -- abandonment, an attempt to train her to
use a toilet bowl (some are successful, but this is not "natural" to a cat),
the noise of the rock tumbler closer to her box (now moved), installing a
cat door that she is not comfortable with, etc.  Incidentally, you wondered
if she may have had a problem because she drank too much, and you mention
her sudden interest in drinking water from the sink.  It is extremely
unlikely that drinking too much water would cause her to use another
location (very unlike bedwetting in children).  However, an increase or
decrease in water intake can be another important signal of medical
problems.  Be sure to mention this change to your vet.

Good luck!  And, please, make a veterinary appointment immediately for a
check-up.

MaryL
(take out the litter to reply)

Photos of Duffy and Holly:      >'o'<
http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly)
http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
Sam - 11 Oct 2003 18:59 GMT
> There are several possibilities that I can think of:
> (1) First and foremost, have your cat checked for possible medical problems.
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> decrease in water intake can be another important signal of medical
> problems.  Be sure to mention this change to your vet.

Holy Christ, why do some people have to make this 1000X harder than it
needs to be?!

He asked a simple question that has a simple answer:  Just put the
laundry basket where the cat can't get to it.

Done.  Problem solved.  Get on with life.
MaryL - 11 Oct 2003 19:06 GMT
> Holy Christ, why do some people have to make this 1000X harder than it
> needs to be?!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Done.  Problem solved.  Get on with life.

Why?  Because it may not be as simple as you make it appear.  If it is and
simply moving the litter box works, then great.  However, many of us on this
group have noted that there can be many factors at work (especially and most
important -- the possibly of urinary tract infection).  Therefore, I tried
to give several suggestions.  One may work, or it may take several.

MaryL
(take out the litter to reply)
~*Connie*~ - 11 Oct 2003 19:51 GMT
because cats are NOT simple creatures.

> Holy Christ, why do some people have to make this 1000X harder than it
> needs to be?!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Done.  Problem solved.  Get on with life.
Me - 13 Oct 2003 14:34 GMT
> because cats are NOT simple creatures.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >
> > Done.  Problem solved.  Get on with life.

True, but whenever one is confronted with a problem, the best way to
deal with it is to try the simplest solution first. In this case,
putting the laundry basket out of the cat's reach will probably solve
the problem. If not, then other options can certainly be tried.
Del R. - 17 Dec 2004 14:37 GMT
>>Holy Christ, why do some people have to make this 1000X harder than it
needs to be?!
He asked a simple question that has a simple answer:  Just put the
laundry basket where the cat can't get to it.<<

Lets see...  Um, maybe it's because when you put the basket out of reach, then they'll pee on the bed or the couch or the other bed.  That's been my experience.  Take away one spot and they pee on another.  Anywhere but the liter box.

Clean your boxes (or get new ones) and check with your vet.  There's a problem.  

Fantastic tip about the extra box.  That's gives those of us with problematic cats hope.

'Put the laundry basket where the cat can't get to it.'  Sigh.  If only life were that simple.  It's not.
BengalsMeow - 12 Aug 2006 19:07 GMT
>Holy Christ, why do some people have to make this 1000X harder than it
>needs to be?!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Done.  Problem solved.  Get on with life.
RevRagnarok - 12 Oct 2003 14:42 GMT
Thank you for taking so much care in writing up this reply, you've made
some excellent points. I guess we will bite the bullet and get her
checked out.

For UTI, howmuch pain is there? I ask because I am able to rub/massage
her lower abdomen and she doesn't express pain/discomfort.

Being in a townhouse, it seems to be very hard to find a good location
to put another box that is out of the way enough to not be in plain
sight all the time. :( There are two adults in here, and we alternate
nights cleaning it out. I mentioned ~32 hours because that would be the
max if the first cleaning was at bedtime on night 1, night 2 was
skipped, but it was done on morning 3.

I have read a lot on the net about stresses but all the stresses are
past tense (well, the rock tumbler was still in the basement, but
nowhere near the litter, and just that day she had been in the basement
lounging on the floor two feet from it) - can cat's stresses be
cumulative?

Thanks again.

- Aaron

>> Hello All,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> Moreover, she may start to associate the pain of urination with the
> litter box if your cat has UTI. (2) Laundry baskets seem to act as an
MaryL - 12 Oct 2003 19:07 GMT
> Thank you for taking so much care in writing up this reply, you've made
> some excellent points. I guess we will bite the bullet and get her
> checked out.

You're welcome ...and thank you for taking your cat to a vet.  That is the
only way to either verify the presence of UTI or to rule it out.

> For UTI, howmuch pain is there? I ask because I am able to rub/massage
> her lower abdomen and she doesn't express pain/discomfort.

I think this varies considerably, from no pain to considerable pain
(depending on the extent of the problem).  Moreover, cats are very adept at
hiding pain, so it often would not be apparent to us.  That is often one of
the problems we face when we try to determine if the cat is comfortable or
in pain.

> I have read a lot on the net about stresses but all the stresses are
> past tense (well, the rock tumbler was still in the basement, but
> nowhere near the litter, and just that day she had been in the basement
> lounging on the floor two feet from it) - can cat's stresses be
> cumulative?

Yes, stress can be cumulative (just like with people), so you would not
necessarily be able to point to a single incident.  Many people have found
Feliway to be effective even if they can't pinpoint the precise cause.  In
my case, I used it when I adopted a new cat and brought him into a household
where my resident cat had always been aggressive toward other cats.  It
worked wonders!  The two now get along beautifully (and I now use Feliway
only for visits to the vet or for the rare event when I am gone overnight
and have a pet-sitter).

MaryL

> Thanks again.
>
>  - Aaron
MaryL - 11 Oct 2003 18:53 GMT
> Hello All,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>  - Aaron

Here's a follow-up to my previous message (I have to do this *too* often
because I forget to include something).  That is, it's possible that stress
is playing a role.  It could be a good idea to buy some Feliway diffusers
and set them up in 2 or 3 areas when your cat spends a lot of time.  Feliway
is a behavior modification spray.  It is frequently used to calm cats in
stressful situations.  ValleyVet (http://www.valleyvet.com) lists Feliway
for $29.95 for a diffuser with one bottle of Feliway.  Refills are available
for the diffuser (I'm not sure of the cost), and it is also available as a
spray for $15.95.  I prefer the diffusers because they continually release a
measured amount.  I do keep one of the spray versions to use in carriers
before going to the vet.  Shipping is free from ValleyVet.  You might be
able to find a better price by surfing the internet, or someone here may be
able to recommend other sources.

But I want to reiterate what I said in my original message:  first of all,
have your cat checked by a veterinarian for possible medical problems, and
do it as soon as possible.

MaryL
(take out the litter to reply)
m. L. Briggs - 11 Oct 2003 23:11 GMT
>Hello All,
>
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>
> - Aaron
1.  "litter box way off in corner of unfinished basement of 3 story
house".  ====not good idea

2.  " rock polishing machine in vicinity"====not good idea

3.  laundry basket available ===not good idea

I can only tell you what I think is appropriate:

1.  litter box on each floor in quite space that is easily accessible.
    The bathroom would be good then you could scoop every time you
went in there.

2.  Put laundry basket in a closet and close the door.  Better yet,
put clothes in drawer when clean or a closed hamper if dirty.

Be sure to show kitty that these are his and available for his use.

If he continues to go outside the box, follow advice about taking him
to the Vet.

Mostly it is a matter of common sense.  Good luck.   MLB
zuzu22@webtv.net - 11 Oct 2003 23:11 GMT
Cats are masters at hiding illness and a urinary tract infection often
goes unnoticed until the cat is very ill. Take your cat to the vet ASAP
and have them do a urinalysis before you decide this is a behavior
issue.

Megan

                                   
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me and bobby mcgee - 12 Oct 2003 06:25 GMT
Our cat Jasmine does this- she pees on damp towels that are left in the 1st
floor bathroom of our ranch house (cat box in basement), but only if her
litter box is dirty. In our old 2-story house, she would do it on the second
floor only, and even when her basement box was clean, so we got a 2nd floor
cat box as well. Problem solved.
RevRagnarok - 14 Oct 2003 02:51 GMT
Well, thanks again for all the advice. Took Freya to the vet today, and the
news was not as good as I liked. :( There was a trace of blood in the
urine, so now she's on amoxicillin for a week or so. (Not sure if it was
blood or WBCs.) This is the first time that I've HOPED it's "just" a UTI,
because the vet said it could also be kidney/bladder stones. :(

- Aaron

> Hello All,
>
>   Our cat has started taking a liking to urinating in the laundry
> basket, with clean/or dirty laundry in it. :( A little background, and
> maybe somebody out there will have an idea.
Victor M. Martinez - 14 Oct 2003 15:10 GMT
Make sure they check for crystals as well. You might want to switch to a
canned-food based diet now.

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Gemma Carroll - 20 Oct 2003 16:41 GMT
Hi Aaron

I think you should move your laundy basket somewhere else, then in the
same spot,put the litter tray there. The cat might like that
particualar spot so she might use it.

I don't think this should be a real worry, your cat migfht still be
adjusting and finds your house a bit scary.
I mean didn't you say she lived in an appartment before. She might
feel uncomfertable with a bigger place to live.

Love Gemma

ps. I hope you don't think i am a bit critical, its just that is what
i think is your cats problem.
 
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