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~Kathy~ - 02 Feb 2007 21:16 GMT Is there a smell that cats absolutely hate? I want to keep my cat off of some of my furniture and I figured if there was a smell they hated I could put it on . TIA , e-mails o.k. Kathy
Hugh Kearnley - 03 Feb 2007 09:27 GMT YOUR Furniture? Take a wee animal into your home - and what WAS yours - becomes communal. If your furniture means more to you than kitty - either find kitty a kinder home - or move the furniture into a room she isn't allowed into. Before coming to THAT realisation, I tried everything I could think of - Surgical Spirit; Mothballs; Pepper; Chillies; After-shave.... Nothing that I know of works apart from an ex-girlfriend's really horrible cheap perfume that was spilled on a settee. Mind you - it kept me out the living room too. Face it, Kathy - a Cat will get EVERYWHERE and try out EVERY BIT of furniture in the house (and out) as suitable perches and snooze-places/hiding places etc and there isn't anything worth a damn that you can do to stop her - short of locking her outside She's your flatmate now - she's entitled to share ALL your stuff that's on open display. Sorry! Maybe someone CAN be more helpful. HUGHIE.
Is there a smell that cats absolutely hate? I want to keep my cat off of some of my furniture and I figured if there was a smell they hated I could put it on . TIA , e-mails o.k. Kathy
KP - 03 Feb 2007 19:06 GMT > YOUR Furniture? Take a wee animal into your home - and what WAS yours - > becomes communal. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > open display. Sorry! Maybe someone CAN be more helpful. > HUGHIE. Well Put, if you didn't want a kitty to share your home then you need to find kitty a better home. Kitty prints on furniture, kitty hair, and kitty toys are all a part of sharing a life with kitty. Maybe you shouldn't have a kitty.
It's like when you have a baby, if you don't want to be up around the clock, change diapers, have baby puke on you then do not have a child.
It's all a matter of co existing and when you have an animal or a child it's also about giving up a few things for the pleasure of love.
KP
> Is there a smell that cats absolutely hate? I want to keep my cat off of > some of my furniture and I figured if there was a smell they hated I > could put it on . TIA , e-mails o.k. Kathy studio - 03 Feb 2007 19:32 GMT > Well Put, if you didn't want a kitty to share your home then you need to > find kitty a better home. Sounds like a nice home to me. What with all the fancy furniture and such. Much better than many animals have. Certainly, you would not want kitty to find a worse home?
> It's like when you have a baby, if you don't want to be up around the > clock, change diapers, have baby puke on you then do not have a child. > It's all a matter of co existing and when you have an animal or a child > it's also about giving up a few things for the pleasure of love. Yes there is compromise, but there are also rules. Babies who grow up, and kitty's, are still subject to certain rules of behavior within the home. Co-existing means exactly that....both must make some small sacrifices.
I would not be so hard on Kathy for asking a simple question. As long as she isn't harming or mistreating kitty, kitty has a good home. And for that, we should all be thankful and helpful.
Hugh Kearnley - 03 Feb 2007 22:53 GMT I really dont think I was being deliberately unhelpful KP! I used to think , like Kathy, that the new arrival would be like a tennant and would live to certain rules. Stay off a particular chair, stay off a part of a certain setee and not climb up curtains. Oh Boy! Did I get a rude awakening! This was NO tenant who would obey rules. THIS was a Law unto herself. THIS - was a little 3 week old furby that didn't just talk back. She would disappear for hours at a time - suddenly re-appear at a time when hunger or the need for a cuddle prompted it or when bedtime arrived. GET USED Kathy - to kitty climbing up beside you in bed - snuggling into your ampit for a lick at your salty sweat and then YOU get a smoochy kiss and a cuddle before settling down for a sleep - BEWARE of having another human sleeping partner - JEALOUSY happens. I know. BEWARE of the little animal ambushing you just when you are ready to go out for the night! - Ripped tights! - scratched legs! Take on a little animal - you got a DAMN sight more to think about than furniture! She NEEDS to play - IGNORE that NEED - and you might as well not have a cat at all. IF you DO ignore the little one's needs - you would be like my brother's wife - just have a cat(s) to wear like a false jewellery. Please THINK LONG and HARD before taking a small Animal into your home.
I'd LOVE to think that Kathy and her wee animal will have as good a relationship as I've had with my own wee 'Doughball' but I wrote to my own brother recently concerning his wife's treatment of their own two older doughballs. Those little furballs are treated abominably since that family suddenly got more affluent in the last couppla years - my Brother has no time for the cats and barely tolerates them. His missus (wife) USED to think them the centre of her life, but since human babies arrived, the cats are frequently locked out at night _ even during the day - unkempt - never brushed any more - kept OUT of the Living room because of the new Leather furniture bought to impress visitors (And impossibly uncomfortable) His wife now wears the image of being an "Animal Lover" like cheap jewellery to impress others. The cats go uncared for and unloved. No wonder the poor buggers ignore them all now, snarl and spit at them all. My own furniture has been ripped, shredded - peed on and so much more by my own little bundle of fur. I used to have HUMAN flatmates that were LESS considerate. The Doughball KNOWS when I'm mad at that. She never repeats a wrongdoing - but STILL - if left alone for too long - she deliberately sh.ts on my bed. I have to accept that as a small punishment for leaving her for as long a time. Katy should get a "Play Station" for her kitty - spend QUALITY time with the wee thing and show it WHERE to scratch - have lots of strings and other toys for the wee thing and Katy to chase round about and HOPEFULLY - eventually - to ignore that expensive furniture. My own doughball's "Travel Carriage" - OK - Cat Box - although she associates it with going to the vet - the box is placed UP on a table in the "best room" and she enjoys going in there for her "Hide and seek" playtimes - and for me to chase her from with a big feather duster. LIFE with a Cat - is what you BOTH make it - just DONT base it on the cost of furniture and people who can't appreciate what little furballs are all about. You'll get FAR more Joy and Love from kitty if you just accept her as a flatmate to share your (Nice) world with. Finally - get a 'Magic Duster' that picks up Cat hairs. They get EVERYWHERE - even in the sugar and Butter pots. HUGHIE.
>> Well Put, if you didn't want a kitty to share your home then you need to >> find kitty a better home. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > home. > And for that, we should all be thankful and helpful. studio - 04 Feb 2007 01:13 GMT On Feb 3, 5:53 pm, "Hugh Kearnley" <hughkearn...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> I really dont think I was being deliberately unhelpful KP! It wasn't KP, it was me studio. I never accused anyone of being unhelpful. Maybe somewhat off topic, but not unhelpful.
> My own furniture has been ripped, shredded - peed on and so much more by my > own little bundle of fur. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have to accept that as a small punishment for leaving her for as long a > time. Yes, that is your own fault, not Doughball. But as you stated yourself, certain rules should be followed when possible. Pooping on the bed is not a normal rule.
I actually taught my Big Mama to go in the shower if she couldn't get outside in time. She has never once, not even once, went inside other than the one time in the shower area. She has never clawed the furniture, never ripped anything to shreds, or otherwise did anything bad.....well, when she was younger she jumped up on the kitchen counter once to see what was up there.
Recently she got scratched by another cat on the ear which later got infected. I have some antibiotic ointment from a previous visit to the vet, I've been putting on it to clear it up. The problem: it itches her, so she attempted to scratch it, which would prevent it from healing. The answer: as soon as she atempts to scratch it, she gets a "No!" and a hand clap. I also occasionally hold her ear lightly and say "no". I know it itches her, but the one word she understands is "no". And it works. She knows not to scratch that ear. (I seen her start to lift her hind paw up to scratch. Her foot went half way up, and then she put it down. She's remembers).
> Katy should get a "Play Station" for her kitty - spend QUALITY time with the > wee thing and show it WHERE to scratch - have lots of strings and other toys > for the wee thing and Katy to chase round about and HOPEFULLY - eventually - > to ignore that expensive furniture. Kitty may not know how to differentiate what that tells her. In other words, she may think everything is all right to scratch.
If kitty only learns one word her entire life, it should be the word "no". And "no" should come immediately when the undesired action is taking place, otherwise it won't work.
You are lucky that you got Doughball at a early age. They carry much of what they learn so early with them the rest of their lives.
btw: I saved that picture of Doughball on my computer. I don't recall you saying whether Doughball is male or female. But that Doughball is such a cutie. I can tell just by looking, Doughball is very intent on listening and learning from you.
~Kathy~ - 04 Feb 2007 14:52 GMT You all act like I don't love my cat! Her name is baby and I have had her almost 3 years....She has her own bed and she sleeps on the furniture while I am gone to work. She gets anything she wants. I am not concerned about my furniture, but a friend had given me a new afgan she had made and I put it on the couch....baby loves it....I guess I will just put it in my bedroom and close the door.Thanks for all your advice and some misdirection to me. I love my Baby Girl!!
KMP - 04 Feb 2007 17:10 GMT > You all act like I don't love my cat! Her name is baby and I have had > her almost 3 years....She has her own bed and she sleeps on the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just put it in my bedroom and close the door.Thanks for all your advice > and some misdirection to me. I love my Baby Girl!! The thing a bout hair is - groom her. Woodgie gets brushed or gloved every day at least once and gets a treat for sitting still. There is no cat hair on anything- my husband sheds more than the cat. And is more stubborn about being groomed... Kathy P. NJ
KP - 04 Feb 2007 17:46 GMT > You all act like I don't love my cat! Her name is baby and I have had > her almost 3 years....She has her own bed and she sleeps on the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kathy sent me an e privately. I thought she was just not understanding cats but clearly I was mistaken. She explained more in her e and I think I got it now.
Baby may also be drawn to that blanket also because it smells like you. I know my cats all love to cuddle up in anything that I wore. My jackets, sweaters, t-shirts or the blankets I covered up with myself.
At night I have a fur blanket of 5 cats.
KP
KP - 04 Feb 2007 17:50 GMT > You all act like I don't love my cat! Her name is baby and I have had > her almost 3 years....She has her own bed and she sleeps on the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kathy took time to emial me privately and I think I now understand. I thought she was another person who wanted a kitty but didn't want the kitty behavior.
I think kitty is drawn to the blanket because it smells like you?
My cats love to cuddle in anything that has my sent. My shirts, coats, and the blankets I use.
But at night when it is freezing cold I have 5 fur blankets on me keeping me warm.
KP
Roberta Bagshaw - 06 Feb 2007 00:09 GMT Hi Kathy
We too love our cats.... but there are certain items of furniture I don't want them to go on e.g. the kitchen counters (I don't walk on them and neither should they!), and I don't want them scratching the sofa or chairs when they have perfectly good scratching posts around the place. They just need to know a few rules..... and - apart from a few "sneaky" attacks when they thought I wouldn't notice - after gentle training they are both fairly well behaved.
The item I have found MOST useful is transparent double-sided tape. I bought it at a hardware store and it was reasonably cheap. It came as a roll on a little dispenser (the same as gift packaging tape), and I just tore off lengths of this and placed it on strategic places e.g. the place where they would always try and jump up on the kitchen counter. They HATE the feeling of this on their feet and very soon caught on that this was not a good place to be.
Being transparent, the tape is virtually invisible, so it is not unsightly (except perhaps when it has cat hair caught on it!). It is easy to remove and place elsewhere. I bought a role about 12 months ago, and although I've used it in a number of places around the house there is still about half a roll left..... very economical. The tape has been marvellous at training them not to scratch the sofa or chairs.... and apart from a couple of minor lapses it has meant "stress-free" training. Very occasionally, either one of them will look me in the eye and mischievously scratch an un-taped part of the sofa (cats can be SO provocative). But I yell "NO!" loudly and go get my roll of tape :o)
If there is anything precious that you don't want them to damage, just put it in a cupboard out of reach somewhere.... I've found that to be the simplest solution. Good luck with the training!.... I know it works, without cruelty or stress to either me or my pussycats!
Cheers ~Roberta~
> You all act like I don't love my cat! Her name is baby and I have had > her almost 3 years....She has her own bed and she sleeps on the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just put it in my bedroom and close the door.Thanks for all your advice > and some misdirection to me. I love my Baby Girl!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hugh Kearnley - 06 Feb 2007 08:44 GMT Sorry if I gave offence with my original post. It wasn't meant to be. HOWEVER - I had forgotten all about this. The Doughball used to enjoy one particular window-sill to hide on. But I began growing my own chilli plants in pots and that is the biggest window sill - only practical place for them. Apart from being highly decorative - the Doughball HATES them and won't go near. I confirmed that by putting one on another of her perches. I got howled at and had to move it again. So perhaps ALL cats don't like chillies? Or is it just Doughball? Anyway - maybe you could try growing a chilli pot-plant and sitting it nearby the afghan. I stopped growing my own Basil though - she just munched her way through the lot. Hugh.
> Hi Kathy > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- studio - 06 Feb 2007 23:23 GMT On Feb 6, 3:44 am, "Hugh Kearnley" <hughkearn...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> So perhaps ALL cats don't like chillies? Or is it just Doughball? You're right, most cats don't like spicy or chilli type things either.
> I stopped growing my own Basil though - she just munched her way through the > lot. Never heard of a cat eating basil.
Hugh, if you look at the pet store or pet section in the supermarket, you'll find a particular type of grass called oat grass. Sometimes called cat grass or kitty vittles. It's a short lived grass, only lives about 4-6 weeks, but cats love eating it, and it's good for them. A pack of it may sell for about $2-3 and last 2 years. Big Mama grazes like a cow on it.
Hugh Kearnley - 07 Feb 2007 00:18 GMT The girl next door to me has an indoor Tom (The Doughball and Smoky have NEVER met - and up to me - they WONT) Smokey is a fanatic who eats both fresh Basil AND fresh Oregano. She stopped growing them and now just buys bunches in the shops. (He also vomits the lot up shortly after munchy time) The Doughball has ONLY ever shown interest in my Basil in Pots - not the shop bought - so there might be something pyschological there. SHE vomits after too. Her Primary food is "Ayams" - 'Hairball control' and she WONT touch wet food at all. She stopped being interested in wet food at about twelve weeks and I was left with about 6 months supply of expensive wet pouches and little luxury tins. (Which Smoky's owner accepted with grace) I DID try a patent 'grass' for cats that I bought a special grow-container for. Guess-what? - She sh.t in the grower and didn't go back near it. SHE - Knows what she wants. Her LOVE - is a soft poached egg at the weekend - normally Sundays before I go to Church. That Egg-Yolk with the scraps from my Bacon Grills, is her ONLY departure from her AYAMS. Never mind - I STILL get Kissed and Cuddled!
> On Feb 6, 3:44 am, "Hugh Kearnley" <hughkearn...@btinternet.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > A pack of it may sell for about $2-3 and last 2 years. > Big Mama grazes like a cow on it. studio - 03 Feb 2007 11:03 GMT > Is there a smell that cats absolutely hate? I want to keep my cat off of > some of my furniture and I figured if there was a smell they hated I > could put it on . Look in the pet section at the supermarket, or at your local pet store. They sell a spray citrus based product that may work.
Baring that, or in addition to that, kitty is looking for a soft, quite, comfortable place to be near where the master is. (You didn't specify whether kitty is using the furniture while you are in the room or not. Or if the furniture is located in multiple rooms).
#1 kitty needs her own bed somewhere discrete nearby the master. Cats are social creatures, being near the "pride" is of the utmost concern to them. This can be mitigated by having a place or two close by where they can see you and remain part of the social fabric of the room.
Other options include: 1. Noise(s) - a high pitched supersonic noise that humans can't hear or other forms of noise.
2. Behavior modification - when ever kitty jumps on the furniture, say "No" firmly and repeatedly, include clapping your hands loudly while standing if kitty does not respond to "No" alone. Repeat consistantly until desired results are obtained.
3. Furniture modification - this could include putting plastic coverings on the furniture, wooden bead mats, tacky mats, or other things that kitty would not feel comfortable laying on, but could easily be removed when necessary.
4. Room partioning - close the door to the room, or erect a removeable barrior.
5. A tape roller that will easily pick the fur up that kitty has left on the furniture. ;)
~Jan~ - 04 Feb 2007 16:01 GMT I knew what you meant ~Kathy~, I have several hand made quilts my grandmother made they are worth over $1000.00 each. I also have Roxie aka (Fatty) and Gabby aka (big bootie baby). they are not dirty animals and own everything in my house. :-) I also have a Scotch lint roller in every room. Try a piece of slightly crumbled aluminum foil they do not like the feel of it on their feet or the sound. ~Jan~
Is there a smell that cats absolutely hate? I want to keep my cat off of some of my furniture and I figured if there was a smell they hated I could put it on . TIA , e-mails o.k. Kathy
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Martin - 04 Feb 2007 20:31 GMT Citrus - try peeling an orange while a cat is on your lap (mine shoots off like a rocket)
Citrus peel is used by gardeners to discourage cats from flower beds - not sure about furniture Is there a smell that cats absolutely hate? I want to keep my cat off of some of my furniture and I figured if there was a smell they hated I could put it on . TIA , e-mails o.k. Kathy
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Trin' - 03 Mar 2007 17:37 GMT > Citrus - try peeling an orange while a cat is on your lap > (mine shoots off like a rocket) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have a cat that tries to EAT orange peels... he's a funny lil' guy though.
studio - 04 Mar 2007 00:11 GMT > I have a cat that tries to EAT orange peels... he's a funny lil' guy > though. There's always the odd ball that's going to make the rest of our "absolutely certain advice" look silly.
I have a picture of a cat eating a banana. Now how many cats eat bananas I ask you?
I would venture to guess you'll find a cat somewhere that does something, somehow, someway that no other cat in the world does.
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