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cindys - 03 Oct 2006 04:09 GMT
I posted the other day about our new cat from the no-kill shelter. I had
been assured the cat had no fleas, but I was stupid not to check myself.
Within two days of adopting the cat, I saw that he had flea dirt and sure
enough fleas! Part of the fostering agreement was that if the cat needed to
see a vet, we needed to get permission from the agency and go to the vet
they use. Well, I couldn't get in touch with anyone from the agency, and
their vet had gone home for the day. There was no way I was going to have
fleas in my house over the weekend. Our vet was available and able to see
the cat within the hour. Naturally, she gave him a checkup (since she had
never seen him before). She also treated him for fleas and gave us
Revolution to treat our other four cats. The price tag for this was $106.
Additionally, she told us the cat has gingivitis (the cat teeth cleaning
will run well over $100 based on past experience). Additionally, all of the
cats in my house will need two additional flea treatments each as a
precaution. (I guesstimate another $80). The adoption fee for this cat is
$90. The shelter says they are not willing to pay one penny of the flea
treatment because I didn't take the cat to the vet they use and get their
discount. I would give the cat back right now but I would still be stuck
with all the bills for all the flea treatments. If I could have foreseen
this, I would have gone to a professional breeder of Abyssinian cats (Molly
was an Abyssinian) and coughed up the $650 for an Abyssinian kitten. No
fleas, no concerns about feline leukemia, no gingivitis, no issues. I'm sure
a year from now, this will all seem like a bad dream (the new cat is very
sweet and loving), but right now, I'm fuming!
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Mike - 03 Oct 2006 07:13 GMT
Hi, Cindy.

I have mixed feelings about these shelters, too. Yes, they perform a
valuable service. They deal in living creatures. And they're not for profit.

I got Isis at a shelter about six years ago. It had been years since I had a
cat. They represented that Isis was in good health. In fact, I encountered
health problems right away. She had struvite crystals in her bladder. She
was also prone to urinate all over the place. Had I a second chance to do
this again I would've taken her to the vet and had a complete checkup,
including urine and blood samples, before I adopted her. It's only fair that
we know what we are getting into, accurately, before we commit to a major
decision like this.

Sometimes I think that a shelter's interest in finding a home for their
animals overweighs their willingness to share, or ability to pay for, a
complete medical examination. It wasn't suggested to me that I take her to
the vet for a complete checkup. And, even though I was promised 'tech
support' after I had her I found that my calls were answered in a less than
satisfactory manner.

If I was going to buy a used car I would take it to a mechanic I trust for a
thorough evaluation. I think we have to do the same thing with pets, even
more so. They're warm blooded mammals and are subject to a variety of
problems some of which may have been caused by or known to the previous
owner.

I'm sorry you're out $300.00. I, personally, pay for pet health insurance. I
pay about $20.00 a month. These are good guys.

http://www.petinsurance.com/

Mike in Illinois

>I posted the other day about our new cat from the no-kill shelter. I had
> been assured the cat had no fleas, but I was stupid not to check myself.
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> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
cindys - 03 Oct 2006 08:25 GMT
> Hi, Cindy.
>
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> we know what we are getting into, accurately, before we commit to a major
> decision like this.

I agree. This is the fourth cat we will be adopting from this particular
shelter (over the course of a number of years). Each one comes with a
different story.

1. One animal they represented as being approximately 3 years old.
Subsequently, they admitted she had been in fostered in another woman's home
for three years and had arrived at that home as an adult. I ultimately
figured out that the cat was probably at least 5 years old. The cat was in
good health, however.

2. We fostered two adult cats who had been found together. The shelter
represented that the animals were approximately 5 years old. I subsequently
discovered they were closer to 10. We were unable to keep one of them
because he terrorized our dog for two months. Ultimately, he was adopted
into a different home. We kept the one who was not terrorizing our dog. He
had a broken tooth, two infected claws, and major gingivitis, but at least
we knew what we were getting into.

3.  We fostered a pregnant cat from the same shelter (who had been dropped
off at a kill shelter, and the no-kill shelter was notified and rescued
her). She too arrived with fleas. Fortunately, we were keeping her in a
completely separate part of the house, so the fleas didn't spread, but we
had to live with that situation for several months until the kittens were
weaned and old enough to tolerate the anti-flea medication. The shelter paid
for the anti-flea medication, but we subsequently footed the bill for an
exterminator and a professional carpet cleaning service. I had never
fostered a pregnant cat before that and when I told the woman from the
shelter that I had some concerns because the cats would be staying in a room
with carpeting, she assured me there wouldn't be any mess. Of course, there
was. When a cat is nursing, her underside is always wet with milk and she
rolls on the carpet and the milk gets on the carpet and dries and smells
bad. Imagine the odor after two months of this! When I subsequently asked
how the other foster moms avoided this problem, the woman matter-of-factly
informed me that the other fosters didn't keep nursing cats in rooms with
carpeting!!

> Sometimes I think that a shelter's interest in finding a home for their
> animals overweighs their willingness to share, or ability to pay for, a
> complete medical examination.

The current cat did have a complete medical examination by a veterinarian
three months ago when he entered the system.  When I confronted the woman
from the shelter (who had been fostering him) about the gingivitis, she
admitted they knew about it. With respect to the fleas, the cat was treated
for fleas at the time of his medical exam. Apparently, several months later,
there were some kittens in the same foster home who had fleas, and he got
reinfested. When confronted, the woman said something like "Oh dear...I
thought that by keeping those kittens in the bathroom, the fleas hadn't
spread to the other cats in the house. I guess I was mistaken. Sorry about
that."

>It wasn't suggested to me that I take her to
> the vet for a complete checkup. And, even though I was promised 'tech
> support' after I had her I found that my calls were answered in a less than
> satisfactory manner.

Why am I not surprised?

> If I was going to buy a used car I would take it to a mechanic I trust for a
> thorough evaluation. I think we have to do the same thing with pets, even
> more so.

Yup.

>They're warm blooded mammals and are subject to a variety of
> problems some of which may have been caused by or known to the previous
> owner.
>
> I'm sorry you're out $300.00. I, personally, pay for pet health insurance. I
> pay about $20.00 a month. These are good guys.

I once looked into getting pet insurance but decided it wasn't worth it.
For my older animals (approximately 10 years old at the time), the insurance
company wanted $100 worth of blood work and $300 a year premium. After I did
both, they rejected my animals due to age (and returned my deposit). They
couldn't have mentioned that upfront? For young healthy animals, the cost of
an annual exam and vaccinations is about $100. The insurance company
excludes preexisting conditions, so the insurance would not cover the cost
of the teeth cleaning or the flea treatment for this new cat. You're paying
$240 a year in insurance. Assuming your cat is healthy, are you sure it's
worth it?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

> http://www.petinsurance.com/
>
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> > Best regards,
> > ---Cindy S.
cindys - 03 Oct 2006 08:53 GMT
> > Hi, Cindy.
> >
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> figured out that the cat was probably at least 5 years old. The cat was in
> good health, however.
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I forgot to add this part:  They represented this particular cat as "She
just loves people." Baloney! The cat is a one-person cat who will bond on
her own terms after a long warm-up period. She is not a lap cat, doesn't
like to be picked up, and has bitten various family members on several
occasions. She also really needs to be an only cat. I have had to keep her
separated from the other cats in one of the bedrooms which I use as my
office (otherwise she urinates on the kitchen floor). She doesn't lack for
attention (since I'm in my office most of the day), and I do try to give her
the run of the house for at least a few hours every day (during which time I
confine the other cats), but it is a pain. Of course, the problems didn't
become apparent until several months after we had had her, but when I
subsequently asked the shelter about this, they admitted there had been
similar issues in her foster home, and that was why the foster mom had kept
her in the basement for three years! (I think that's appalling.)

At any rate, considering the problems I have had with this organization in
the past, as I have been typing out my complaints, I am realizing that I
didn't have any business getting another cat from them, since I knew better.
So, I guess I really have no one to blame but myself. However, the current
cat is still a foster, and I can still give him back. We've only had him a
few days, so we're not so attached to him yet. I'm thinking about what I
want to do...
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Ivor Jones - 03 Oct 2006 18:14 GMT
[snip]

> At any rate, considering the problems I have had with
> this organization in the past, as I have been typing out
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.

Don't give up on him, it's not his fault. For my part, it's nearly always
love at first sight; when I first saw my Missy in her pen at the shelter
(pictures at www.g6urp.co.uk/missy) she looked at me, went "meow" and I
heard the words "take me home..!" as clear as day..! She's been eating me
out of house and home ever since ;-)

Ivor
cindys - 04 Oct 2006 00:28 GMT
> [snip]
>
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> heard the words "take me home..!" as clear as day..! She's been eating me
> out of house and home ever since ;-)
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I was venting. The reality is that the cat just tested negative for his
second FIV/Feline leukemia combo test (which I had done at my own expense).
I told my children it was now safe to let him *meet* the other cats. He has
already claimed one of the beds as his own and is currently relaxing on the
windowsill. I spewed and sputtered about the shelter, but we all know this
cat is here to stay :-)
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Ivor Jones - 03 Oct 2006 18:10 GMT
> Hi, Cindy.
>
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>
> Mike in Illinois

I volunteer for Cats Protection (www.cats.org.uk) here in the UK. At our
shelters, all cats are checked by our vet as soon as possible after they
arrive, they're wormed and de-flead while they're with us and the
prospective adopters receive a full medical history when they take the cat
home. We have a deal with one of the major insurance companies who give 6
weeks free insurance when the cat leaves us, just in case anything is
missed, from what I gather most people continue with it, I pay about £110
a year for my Missy, which I consider excellent value.

Ivor
Randy - 03 Oct 2006 20:24 GMT
>I posted the other day about our new cat from the no-kill shelter. I had
>been assured the cat had no fleas, but I was stupid not to check myself.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>Best regards,
>---Cindy S.

You can save a considerable amout on flea treatments by buying the large dog
size and measuring out for each cat. I'm not fimilar with revolution but with
advantage I can get 5 treatments from one vial of the large dog size. It is
exactly the same formula just more in each vial and costs the same as the one
dose cat size. Why will they need two additional treatments?

Randy

http://picasaweb.google.com/crmartin1

http://kittenwar.com/kittens/74045/
cindys - 04 Oct 2006 01:46 GMT
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> You can save a considerable amout on flea treatments by buying the large dog
> size and measuring out for each cat. I'm not fimilar with revolution but with
> advantage I can get 5 treatments from one vial of the large dog size. It is
> exactly the same formula just more in each vial and costs the same as the one
> dose cat size. Why will they need two additional treatments?

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I think because the treatment is good for only 30 days but the flea eggs can
be in the carpeting much longer than that and still hatch. If the cats are
treated for 90 days, the possibility of reinfestation is greatly reduced.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Lone Wolf - 17 Oct 2006 21:50 GMT
> snip
>
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>
>>dose cat size. Why will they need two additional treatments?

there is bright side to all this, if it was someone else that adopted
the cat/s rather than you. the cats could have ended up in a worse
situation. be thrown out on the street is just put down.
don't get me wrong, i understan where you're comming from, a shelter
should say if the cat has any problems or not.

lone wolf

> ----------
> I think because the treatment is good for only 30 days but the flea eggs can
> be in the carpeting much longer than that and still hatch. If the cats are
> treated for 90 days, the possibility of reinfestation is greatly reduced.
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.
 
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