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Mad Dog - 30 Aug 2006 21:51 GMT
I am not sure if this has been posted in the past but here goes.

http://www.theblackandwhitecatclub.co.uk/home.html

I was talking to the vet about different cats having different temperaments,
I said my tortoiseshell can get a bit moody.  The vet has a theory that it
could have something to do with her red hair colouring and reckoned it could
be a subject worthy of research.  I am not so sure myself.

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oldhickory - 01 Sep 2006 02:31 GMT
Torties have the devil gene.

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>I am not sure if this has been posted in the past but here goes.
>
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> reckoned it could be a subject worthy of research.  I am not so sure
> myself.
Spider - 06 Sep 2006 21:09 GMT
>I am not sure if this has been posted in the past but here goes.
>
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> reckoned it could be a subject worthy of research.  I am not so sure
> myself.

Hi,

I've lived with two torties and known a few others.  All of them have been
neurotic.  I don't think this is because all torties are female :~))!, but
there must be something in their genes which accounts for it.  At least
three of these cats have had thyroid problems; two others were *extremely*
nervous; another so possessive that she growled if you took something away
from her .. otherwise she was *the* most affectionate sweetie-pie!  My
current tortie, Cheetah, is a one-person-cat; she loves me to bits and wants
to be near me, but she won't share me with anyone else and won't come near
me if I'm with another person.  She is also very nervous and especially
mistrusts my husband.  She has responded well to training and I am beginning
to make headway with her nervousness.  I would like to train my husband, but
I think he may be feral!

Spider
cindys - 07 Sep 2006 14:29 GMT
> >I am not sure if this has been posted in the past but here goes.
> >
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> to make headway with her nervousness.  I would like to train my husband, but
> I think he may be feral!
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Do you think these characteristics apply to calicos as well? My Amanda is
the sweetest most loving cat *to me*. She will also allow other family
members to pet her. But, if anyone is in the house who is not a family
member, she hides and won't come out until the person leaves. She is
generally very jumpy and nervous. She also hates being picked up. I have
avoided taking her to the vet for a checkup for a very long time because
it's nearly impossible to get her into the carrier and once she's in, she
will invariably have an accident (because of motion sickness riding in the
car). Is this typical calico behavior? (We've had her six years. We
originally acquired her as a pregnant foster cat who someone had dropped off
at a shelter. We fostered her through the remainder of her pregnancy and
delivery of her kittens. We kept them until they were weaned. The rescue
agency found permanent homes for her kittens. We had Amanda spayed and kept
her). Is she likely to calm down a little over time?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Spider - 11 Sep 2006 20:01 GMT
>> >I am not sure if this has been posted in the past but here goes.
>> >
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> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.

Hi Cindy,

Yes, I'm sure it applies to calicos.  There are 3 types of tortie: Brindle
Tortie (intense striping/barring); Tabby Tortie (regular tabby-type stripes,
but tortie colouring); and Calico Tortie (white ground colour with patches
of tortie colouring).  They all seem to have this 'nervous' problem.  It's
as if they can't quite cope with life at a very basic level.

I certainly think there's room for improvement.  It's a very good sign that
she allows petting from your family and not just yourself.  Can you,
perhaps, intensify this friendly activity to gain her trust more and get her
used to being over-handled?  If she can cope well with excessive handling
among people she accepts, there is a good chance she may gradually tolerate
your visitors.  If you have a good friend who regularly visits, perhaps this
friend would be prepared (at the 'right time') to cooperate.  It is
important that any person you introduce in this way doesn't 'eyeball'
Amanda.  Cats hate eye contact.  Amanda may break this rule for you, if
you're lucky, but eye contact is generally offensive to all cats.

During the first several encounters, it is enough that Amanda is in the same
room as your visitor.  If she stays calmly (hiding is allowed at first!) in
that same room, really praise her and tell her how pleased you are. Offer a
treat as you praise, so she makes the connection. Gradually, have your
friend introduce a brief head stroke, but don't force it.  It will take some
time, but I'll be astonished if your Amanda doesn't slowly accept your (very
patient) friend.

I do sympathise with your other problem.  My poor Cheetah tends to poop in
her pet carrier when stressed.  Fortunately, my husband drives so, as we
travel, I open the carrier door and pet Cheetah and talk to her.  If she
behaves really well, I even let her partially out of the carrier so she can
snuggle up to me.  This solves the problem.  However, I am very aware of the
risk I am taking!  I talk softly but firmly to Cheetah and warn her that if
she tries to explore, she goes straight back in the locked carrier.  For the
time being, this works very well for us, but it is just a short-term
strategy to train her out of stress pooping.  I will let you know how I get
on, but do remind me!

You really must take Amanda to the vet, even if you have to arm yourself
with latex gloves, plastic bags, an air freshener and a tolerant chauffer!!
Your vet will understand.  The more you do it, the easier it will be.  Never
shout at her for soiling in this way.  Reassure her and say you understand.
If you show you're cross with her, it will only add more stress.  I would be
exaggerating if I said I praised Cheetah for stress pooping, but my
reassurances are very warm and absolute!

Hope this helps.
Spider
Upscale - 11 Sep 2006 20:35 GMT
"Spider" <Spider@nospam.com> wrote in message

> Yes, I'm sure it applies to calicos.  There are 3 types of tortie: Brindle
> Tortie (intense striping/barring); Tabby Tortie (regular tabby-type stripes,
> but tortie colouring); and Calico Tortie (white ground colour with patches
> of tortie colouring).  They all seem to have this 'nervous' problem.  It's
> as if they can't quite cope with life at a very basic level.

I don't know if my black and white and grey cat adopted from a shelter
qualifies for your Black and White club, but she is the friendliest cat
you've ever seen with everybody including new people who visit. Riding in a
cloth cat carrier on my lap while I roll my wheelchair down to the vet for a
visit, she might meow a couple of times but that's it. I remember the vet
commenting once when he was examining her that she was a really mellow cat.
She's never one hissed or growled at me including those few times when she's
shrieked after I've accidentally rolled a wheel on her tail or something
like that. So, I don't think all cats of this type are necessarily nervous.
tension_on_the_wire - 12 Sep 2006 05:06 GMT
> "Spider" <Spider@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >
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> shrieked after I've accidentally rolled a wheel on her tail or something
> like that. So, I don't think all cats of this type are necessarily nervous.

I must confess I am quite surprised to hear this.  I have had two
calico cats and have known personally many others.  Only one was
unusual in temperament, but that was because she was feral, and was
thought to have been fathered by a wildcat/lynx/bobcat or some such.
The other, and all other calico/tortie cats I have known were so
particularly people-friendly that I deliberately searched them out for
that fact.  My first calico was the one that I have mentioned in other
posts as spending most of her precious 4 years on my shoulder, even
when I was riding my bicycle around town.  She was not at all nervous
about being approached, even when she was up there (here) on her perch,
except for one notable exception when she was suddenly confronted at
eye level by two friendly but curious d*gs (Russian Deerhound, and
Irish Wolfhound, both as tall as myself).  She had gotten smugly used
to the fact that she was above the reach of most d*gs and I could swear
she would almost stick her tongue out at them, so she could be forgiven
for being slightly taken aback when these two just strolled up to her
face.  At home, she was, far and away, the single most friendly and
personable cat I have ever known.  My Sarah-cat (sniff).  She used to
sit at the one window where she could see, far away across two small
intersections, the corner from which I would get off the bus (student
days) and start walking home.  She could see me as soon as I got off
the bus, far too far away to smell me.  If the window was open, I could
hear her from that bus-stop.  She wouldn't stop meowing until I walked
in the door, and there she always was, rolling in ecstasy.  This is
also the cat that I mentioned in other posts had to sleep on my chest
and continually tried to suck my earlobe, and cruised, undisturbed,
with me when I rolled over, tucking her in my left arm.  She always
spent the whole night there.  She was a people cat if I ever knew one.
I will scan some pictures soon as I can get organized (never done it
before, only used digital camera online).

I found this friendly characteristic of calicos and torties so notable,
that even when walking down the street, if I went past the house of one
of these types of cats, they would *never* fail to come down to the
sidewalk and greet/headbutt/scrubbie or even give me the belly.  If I
was across the street, they would come across, in most cases, to do the
same.

If what you are saying is true of the breed, if it can be called a
breed, then I must have been a calico cat in my last life and that is
the only explanation I can think of why they would behave (almost down
to the last calico/tortie cat I ever met) in such an atypical way.

---tension
Upscale - 12 Sep 2006 10:41 GMT
"tension_on_the_wire" <tension_at_home@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> I found this friendly characteristic of calicos and torties so notable,
> that even when walking down the street, if I went past the house of one
> of these types of cats, they would *never* fail to come down to the
> sidewalk and greet/headbutt/scrubbie or even give me the belly.  If I
> was across the street, they would come across, in most cases, to do the
> same.

I have to agree 100%. My sweetie who is now 18 months old comes running to
greet me every time I come in my front door even if I've only been gone for
15 minutes. I don't let her sleep with me because she likes to walk on my
legs and it wakes me up, but every morning as soon as she hears me getting
up she meows and scratches at the door. We talk to each other for about five
minutes until I'm out of bed and go to open the door and then she jumps on
the bed and rolls on her side so I can rub her stomach. This is our standard
routine every morning.

When someone new comes into the apartment, she goes to a corner and watches
that person for about 5 minutes and then comes out to greet them after
they've sat down. This is the most personable cat I've ever known or had.
When I'm working at the computer, she likes to jump on my desk and comes to
knead my stomach while she parks her nose in my throat. She presses up
really hard on my chin with her head and a I feel like a bobble head doll
when she does it. It's a waste of time shooing her away so I just let her go
at it for 20 minutes at a time until she decides to curl up in my arms. The
only time I can get any real work done on the computer is to shut the
bedroom door on her, but that lasts only so long until she's at it meowing
for me to let her in.

I don't have any family around to speak of except now for this cat and I've
realized that adopting her was one of the smartest things I've done in a
long time.
Spider - 12 Sep 2006 12:52 GMT
>> "Spider" <Spider@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> ---tension

Hi Tension,

I'm glad you've enjoyed the torties you've met or lived with.  They
certainly can be/become people friendly.  They are especially close to their
main carer, as you have discovered, Cindy has discovered, and I have
discovered.  Nevertheless, I have also met tortie owners who desperately
want to win over their furry little charge and have had to work at it every
inch of the way.   Eventually, the tortie's trust has been won and a great
friendship ensues.

Most nervous cats prefer to be 'up'.  That is, on the sofa rather than the
floor, on the window cill rather than the sofa, on top of a bookcase rather
than the sofa, on the ceiling ... well, you get the idea!  Allowing your cat
to perch on your shoulder is not only 'up', but close to and protected by
her carer.  Little wonder she was so close to you: you're perfect
tortie-carer material.

My Shandy (ex-cat) used to run up and kiss me resoundingly on the nose when
I washed the kitchen floor on my hands and knees.  She liked nothing better
than to bound up to my shoulder while I was seated, and she purred like a
little engine.  There is no doubt that they *can* be extremely affectionate,
but I think even this, in part, is due to their basic insecurity.  My
Cheetah (current cat, 2yrs old) totally dotes on me.  She cries for me when
I'm not there.  She will run to me in the living room, cry and lead me out
to her dinner bowl so I can stroke her and talk to her while she eats.  She
seems to need a lot of reassurance.  I'm sure that, one day, she'll be more
at ease with other people and newish situations, but I doubt she'll ever be
laid back with anyone but me.

It's great that you get on so well with torties.  Perhaps you *were* a
tortie in another life .. do you purr when your whisker pad is stroked ..?
No,don't answer that .. I'm not sure I want to know so much about your
private life! :~).

Spider
Anonymous - 12 Sep 2006 07:05 GMT
"Spider" <Spider> wrote in messag

> Yes, I'm sure it applies to calicos.  There are 3 types of tortie
Brindl
> Tortie (intense striping/barring); Tabby Tortie (regular tabby-typ
> stripes
> but tortie colouring); and Calico Tortie (white ground colour wit
patche
> of tortie colouring).  They all seem to have this 'nervous' problem
It'
> as if they can't quite cope with life at a very basic level

I don't know if my black and white and grey cat adopted from a shelte
qualifies for your Black and White club, but she is the friendlies
ca
you've ever seen with everybody including new people who visit. Ridin
in
cloth cat carrier on my lap while I roll my wheelchair down to the ve
for
visit, she might meow a couple of times but that's it. I remember th
ve
commenting once when he was examining her that she was a really mello
cat
She's never one hissed or growled at me including those few times whe
she'
shrieked after I've accidentally rolled a wheel on her tail o
somethin
like that. So, I don't think all cats of this type are necessaril
nervous
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