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Cat Forum / General Topics / October 2003crazy pet people
It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it. These loons have prospective owners fill out long detailed forms, asking such relevant things as : 1. Occupation 2. do you own your home? 3. would you mind us inspecting your home? 4. your pet history 5. for cats, have you ever declawed them? This is just a sample of the stupidity that seems to abound in the local Humane Societies and such enclaves of rich misplaced priorities as Helen Woodward Center in Fairbanks Ranch. Better a cat get old in their cages or put to sleep than god forbid that it should live with a poor family or get declawed. For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level. Speaking of the human society, about 2 years ago me and my friend found a little kitten on the side of the road, its nose all bloody, but seemed in good health otherwise. I cleaned him up and my friend took him to the humane society and the next day we called to check up on little kitty, it they said the kitty was scheduled to be put down later that day because it bit the person trying to clean it! the real kicker is that they wouldn't let us go back and pick it up. :( true story, believe it or not. :It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one :from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : :For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level. If it bit the person enough to draw blood, and the kitten was found on the road... they have no choice but to put it to sleep. It obviously had no rabies shots - and the only test for rabies is (forgive technical error) a biopsy of part of the brain. > Speaking of the human society, about 2 years ago me and my friend found a > little kitten on the side of the road, its nose all bloody, but seemed in [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > : > :For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level. > Speaking of the human society, about 2 years ago me and my friend found a > little kitten on the side of the road, its nose all bloody, but seemed in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > true story, believe it or not. So, they don't want you to declaw a cat, but they have no qualms about KILLING it. Nice. > Speaking of the human society, about 2 years ago me and my friend found a > little kitten on the side of the road, its nose all bloody, but seemed in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > true story, believe it or not. I became disillusioned with the humane society earlier this year, when I rescued a little kitten and took it to them. I called back the next day because I felt so bad about leaving him there, and was going to go get him. They had already put him down. Nobody even remembered him, he was there so short a time :-( M In news article: vnlj7utgh642bc@corp.supernews.com , Michelle Fulton wibbled >> Speaking of the human society, about 2 years ago me and my friend >> found a little kitten on the side of the road, its nose all bloody, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > going to go get him. They had already put him down. Nobody even > remembered him, he was there so short a time :-( Blimey, thats well out of order ::( >> Speaking of the human society, about 2 years ago me and my friend found a >> little kitten on the side of the road, its nose all bloody, but seemed in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >They had already put him down. Nobody even remembered him, he was there so >short a time :-( That's terrible! At least a local shelter by me that does gas their animals waits 30 days before doing so in the hopes that the animal will be adopted. The one time I was there, there was a guy dropping off a 15-year-old cat. I remember thinking "You bastard. Why didn't you just have the poor thing put down yourself since that's more than likely what's going to happen to it next month" ;p Robyn > >> Speaking of the human society, about 2 years ago me and my friend found a > >> little kitten on the side of the road, its nose all bloody, but seemed in [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Robyn But if you had imparted the obvious, you would have been labeled a "crazy pet person". Ain't this where we all came in? <g> Ed >> >> Speaking of the human society, about 2 years ago me and my friend found >a [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >But if you had imparted the obvious, you would have been labeled a "crazy >pet person". Ain't this where we all came in? <g> LOL. I'm not as nutty as some, but I know what you mean ;) Robyn I think this is OK for certain situations. For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like myself, fostering the animals before they find them homes. Personally, I would like to know something about the people the cat I am fostering is going to. As for picking up an animal from your local public shelter, ASPCA or whatever? I don't believe they make such a fuss - and I am reasonably sure they don't ask for proof, so it's a bit of a formality anyway. kr > It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one > from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level. > I think this is OK for certain situations. > For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and I am reasonably sure they don't ask for proof, so it's a bit of a > formality anyway. kr Who cares what you want? You aren't buying the cat. If I buy a cat and want to get it declawed that's what is going to happen no matter what I put on the stupid forms. The morons here in San Diego act like they are a child adoption agency. Way misplaced priorities. > > I think this is OK for certain situations. > > For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Way misplaced priorities. Dave, you didn't get the cat because you failed the a.shole test. Ed > Dave, you didn't get the cat because you failed the a.shole test. Good one, loon. Better that cat get gassed, right? > > Dave, you didn't get the cat because you failed the a.shole test. > > Good one, loon. Better that cat get gassed, right? Considering the alternative was life under your care; yes. With your attitude, you should limit yourself to a pet rock. Ed >> Good one, loon. Better that cat get gassed, right? > > Considering the alternative was life under your care; yes. At least your priorities are clear, loon.You don't care about the cats, just about your own misguided philsophy. Had the gonads ripped off any pets lately, loon? > With your attitude, you should limit yourself to a pet rock. Don't have to, loon. There are still rational people out there - you clearly missing from that camp. >> The morons here in San Diego act like they are a child adoption agency. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Ed LOL! <snippage> > If I buy a cat and want to get it declawed that's what is going to > happen no matter what I put on the stupid forms. <snippage> De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint. More info at these websites: http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!1A!DD!A59F343A0263/zuzu22/STOPDECLAWCOM/ http://www.avar.org/avar_cat_declawing.html Mark Buckles San Diego > De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would > involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint. So what. They do just fine without it. > > De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would > > involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint. > > So what. They do just fine without it. After a cat is declawed, it's just like the animal has its claws permanently retracted. BFD. >> > De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would >> > involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > After a cat is declawed, it's just like the animal has its claws > permanently retracted. BFD. These people whining about mutilation are usually big proponents of spaying and neuering cats as if that wasn't a far more invasive procedure. > >> > De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would > >> > involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > These people whining about mutilation are usually big proponents of spaying > and neuering cats as if that wasn't a far more invasive procedure. The people whining about mutilation are thinking that it would feel very odd and uncomfortable to have the ends of their fingers chopped off, not understanding that comparing that to a declawed cat's paw is simply not logical, to wit: The ends of their fingers are not retractable, but cat claws are kept retracted (and hence useless) most of the time; therefore, amputating the end of a human finger is liable to seem more traumatic to a person than losing a claw would seem to a cat. /pretty sure that went waaaaaaaay over the heads of all the cat zealots > <snippage> > > If I buy a cat and want to get it declawed that's what is going to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Mark Buckles > San Diego I would consider de-clawing to be more like removing a humans nails, wouldn't it be? Would you still be able to use your fingers? I think so. If it is going to be strictly an indoor cat and it's ripping your furniture apart, why not? Actually, what the hell is the function of nails for humans anyways? I guess, to better pick one's nose with???????? PS; I have 3 cats and they all have their claws. They have never attacked the furniture. KOW. ET > I would consider de-clawing to be more like removing a humans nails, > wouldn't it be? No... it is not. Removing your nails (pull them off), and you'll grow them back in a few weeks. Declawing means the cat will never grow claws again. So if you "declaw" a human, it will involve removing the last part of all the fingers. > Would you still be able to use your fingers? I think so. If it is going to > be strictly > an indoor cat and it's ripping your furniture apart, why not? Because it's a rather horrible surgery... and it's a pet. You're supposed to love it... KC > > I would consider de-clawing to be more like removing a humans nails, > > wouldn't it be? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So if you "declaw" a human, it will involve removing the last part of all > the fingers. No. If you have your fingernails completely removed they will not grow back. They don't have to chop off the end of your fingers to accomplish this. They simply have to remove what's called the "germinal matrix" which is the thing that connects your fingernail to your finger. > > Would you still be able to use your fingers? I think so. If it is going to > > be strictly > > an indoor cat and it's ripping your furniture apart, why not? > > Because it's a rather horrible surgery... and it's a pet. You're supposed to > love it... We all love our cats and help them get more out of life by having their sex organs torn out by some knife-wielding psychopath who calls himself a "veterinarian" simply because he went to night school and learned how to legally chop up animals. That's pretty horrible. Declawing them wouldn't be any worse. > We all love our cats and help them get more out of life by having their > sex organs torn out by some knife-wielding psychopath who calls himself > a "veterinarian" simply because he went to night school and learned how > to legally chop up animals. That's pretty horrible. Declawing them > wouldn't be any worse. Hey, what vet school is that....last time I checked it was pretty tough to get into Vet School. Although Knife-wielding psychopath school is pretty much a shoo-inn :) QUOTE: We all love our cats and help them get more out of life by having their sex organs torn out by some knife-wielding psychopath who calls himself a "veterinarian" simply because he went to night school and learned how to legally chop up animals. That's pretty horrible. Declawing them wouldn't be any worse. Interesting, so you're telling me that the alternative which is millions of cats producing more homeless and uncared for cats is better? Which only leads to more cats being euthanized. I guess that would be less horrible since the cats will die intact. As for declawing cats Im against it. The only reason people have it done is to save their furniture and is of no healthy benefit to the cat. I do have to agree that the questionaire is rather ridiculous and the only way to have that particular policy changed is by hitting them were it hurts...the pocket book. So I agree, ceasing your donations would be the best way to accomplish that. >We all love our cats and help them get more out of life by having their >sex organs torn out by some knife-wielding psychopath who calls himself >a "veterinarian" simply because he went to night school and learned how >to legally chop up animals. That's pretty horrible. Declawing them >wouldn't be any worse. From that description you have of a veterinarian I would guess that you don't have one for your pets so they don't get rabies, parvo, heartworm and other medications. AND, if one would somehow escape and get hit by a car you certainly wouldn't want one of those psychopaths working to save it life or limbs. > Removing your nails (pull them off), and you'll grow them back in a > few weeks. Declawing means the cat will never grow claws again. > > So if you "declaw" a human, it will involve removing the last part of > all the fingers. No it doesn't. Cats don't have fingers,and a humans can be de-nailed without cutting off the end. > Because it's a rather horrible surgery... and it's a pet. You're > supposed to love it... Nonsense, loon. My cats recovered in a couple of days. One of them is just as good a hunter now as she was when she had claws. > I would consider de-clawing to be more like removing a humans nails, > wouldn't it be? > Would you still be able to use your fingers? I think so. There is no way to compare declawing a cat to removing a human's fingernails or any other part of a human's fingers, because a cat's paws and a human's hands are totally different. If you want to make comparisons between those things, then you need to make fantastic leaps of imagination, like this: Imagine that the very end of your finger is nothing but solid nail, on a sort of hinge so you can swing it forward and backward as needed. Most of the time you keep it back, where it is unused and out of the way, but you swing it forward to scratch things. Now you have the equivalent of cat claws. Now imagine that you lose the ability to swing the claws forward; they are permanently swept back. Everything is exactly the same as it ever was, except that you cannot scratch things. Now you are the equivalent of a declawed cat. > If it is going to > be strictly > an indoor cat and it's ripping your furniture apart, why not? Indeed. > > I would consider de-clawing to be more like removing a humans nails, > > wouldn't it be? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Indeed. I think you are right. No cat declawing compares to fingernail removings. I am not an expert but i think it is common knowledge. The cats are very sensitive. People who think this kind of behavour is right should re- think. > > I think this is OK for certain situations. > > For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The morons here in San Diego act like they are a child adoption agency. I've noticed that cat zealots equate cats with people. Some of the posts in rec.pets.cats are very good examples of this. It's silly and ignorant, and actually rather sad in a way, but that's the way it is. > I've noticed that cat zealots equate cats with people. Some of the > posts in rec.pets.cats are very good examples of this. It's silly and > ignorant, and actually rather sad in a way, but that's the way it is. It is very sad, when so many human children are abused, neglected, and in need of help that these people have all this time for a stupid cat. We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if you would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are getting my foster declawed - you don't take the cat home. Period. end of story. > > I think this is OK for certain situations. > > For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Way misplaced priorities. > We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if you > would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are getting my [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Way misplaced priorities. Isn't Foster a beer? Ed > We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if > you would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are > getting my foster declawed - you don't take the cat home. Period. end > of story. And I would tell you exactly what you want to hear, loon, if I cared to indulge your ridiculous behavior. Because it is so hard to tell when people, particularly someone with your attitude, are lying. Everyone else was civil in this post, and dissenting opinions are always welcome points of discussion in any group - you have indulged in snide and childish name calling. It only takes a moment to remain civil, regardless of how much you disagree with someone. > > We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if > > you would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And I would tell you exactly what you want to hear, loon, if I cared to > indulge your ridiculous behavior. "kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in news:Zt_db.4904$Hd6.2774326 @newssvr28.news.prodigy.com: > Because it is so hard to tell when people, particularly someone with your > attitude, are lying. Everyone else was civil in this post, and dissenting > opinions are always welcome points of discussion in any group - you have > indulged in snide and childish name calling. It only takes a moment to > remain civil, regardless of how much you disagree with someone. Of course it is hard to tell. That's why asking the question is so ridiculous. If I really wanted a particular cat, I'd just lie to you. As it stands, the only thing I'd cut off is the nose of the nosies with the attitude that they know best. Actually, I was indulging in a bit of sarcasm myself. It's generally very difficult to lie effectively - ask any police officer, they deal with it every day. KR > "kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in news:Zt_db.4904$Hd6.2774326 > @newssvr28.news.prodigy.com: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > As it stands, the only thing I'd cut off is the nose of the nosies with the > attitude that they know best. >"kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in news:Zt_db.4904$Hd6.2774326 >@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >As it stands, the only thing I'd cut off is the nose of the nosies with the >attitude that they know best. I, too, was struck by the arrogance of some cat shelters when I was looking for a new kitten to adopt. Some of them actually wanted to send someone over to my house to inspect it before they would allow me to adopt a cat from them! I ended up adopting from the county animal shelter, which was just happy to see the kitten go to a good home rather than the gas chamber and whose adoption process lacked all the control freak overtones.  SignatureProud to be a wreckless driver! >>"kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in news:Zt_db.4904$Hd6.2774326 >>@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >kitten go to a good home rather than the gas chamber and whose adoption process >lacked all the control freak overtones. I had a similar experience about 8 years ago. I tried adopting a cat through an organization where the cats are fostered at peoples' houses. The few I called were extremely aggressive in their interrogations and one was downright rude when I said that I wasn't sure if I would declaw or not - in fact I believe she started yelling and then hung up. I later went to a local no-kill animal shelter where I adopted Kenya. Following this, I volunteered there for two years. One thing I did notice is that they were becoming more like the people I previously mentioned. I did have to go through a little bit of an interrogation process when I adopted my new kitten Alysha (from a different shelter), but it certainly wasn't stringent - though I did have to agree to a possible in-home visit in the future. While that never happened, I did get a followup call to see how Alysha was doing and how she was getting along with Kenya. Robyn >> We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if >> you would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >And I would tell you exactly what you want to hear, loon, if I cared to >indulge your ridiculous behavior. And you would be declined because the shelter would check with your vet among others and find you didn't treat your pets well. Amazing what the shelter people can find out when they talk to vets, landlords, etc. And yes, when you sign the papers you authorize the shetler people to make inquiries with these people. -------------------------------------------- To send me e-mail exorcise NO Spam from my e-mail address. > Amazing what the shelter people can find out when they talk > to vets, landlords, etc. And yes, when you sign the > papers you authorize the shetler people to make inquiries > with these people. What landlord? What vet, knucklehead? It's funny that the shelter people have so much time on their hands. They sure don't need my support. > We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if you > would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are getting my > foster declawed - you don't take the cat home. Period. end of story. Yeah, so I'll just tell you that I don't intend to get the f.cker declawed, and then I'll drag it right down to the vet for surgery. Try and stop me. OK. Look, I can tell you are lying. You get a cat elsewhere. Problem solved. There are tons of places to get cats that no one cares about... if you are basically adopting someone's pet, then the person you are adopting from is reasonable in making sure the care is similar to the care they want the pet receiving. No one is making you use these services - if you don't like them, go to a normal shelter where they don't care. > > We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if you > > would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are getting my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > declawed, and then I'll drag it right down to the vet for surgery. Try > and stop me. > OK. > Look, I can tell you are lying. > You get a cat elsewhere. <knock, knock> Here's your summons, Defendant Boy. You're being sued. > Problem solved. New problem (for you) started. Sued for? I can get sued for first degree not letting you buy a cat? I am sorry... not a crime. A shelter like these are private organizations. They can sell what they want to whoever they want. If they want to give a cat to only people with one thumb and 6 toes... that is their right. You don't have a RIGHT to a cat, so I can discriminate in any way that I choose. You have a RIGHT to employment, housing, a few other things - and that is where no discrimination is allowed. Further, this calls into question is this discrimination? It's not like refusing someone based on race, it's based on a choice of a company. > > OK. > > Look, I can tell you are lying. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > New problem (for you) started. > Sued for? > I can get sued for first degree not letting you buy a cat? For calling me a liar. Or for any other reasons I can think up. > I am sorry... not a crime. You don't have to commit a crime to get sued. > A shelter like these are private organizations. They can sell what they want > to whoever they want. Yeah, and as a private citizen I can sue whomever I want to, for whatever reason I want to. Feel free. It's called a frivolous law suit. You get to pay all the court costs, and pay me for my time and trouble. Plus, I don't even have to call you a liar - almost all private businesses reserve the right to refuse service for any reason (for example, the no shirts no shoes no service rule) which certainly applies here. This stupid thread has lived too long... no more posting in it for me. KR > > Sued for? > > I can get sued for first degree not letting you buy a cat? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yeah, and as a private citizen I can sue whomever I want to, for > whatever reason I want to. > Feel free. > It's called a frivolous law suit. No more frivolous than suing over hot coffee at McD's, and those people won. > You get to pay all the court costs, and > pay me for my time and trouble. The only money in your hands would be passing from you to a lawyer, assuming you can even afford one. > Plus, I don't even have to call you a liar - almost all private businesses > reserve the right to refuse service for any reason (for example, the no > shirts no shoes no service rule) which certainly applies here. All private businesses can also get sued at the drop of a hat. > This stupid thread has lived too long... no more posting in it for me. SPANK >> Feel free. >> It's called a frivolous law suit. >No more frivolous than suing over hot coffee at McD's, and those people >won. Just because an ignorant jury awarded them a victory does not mean it wasn't a frivolous lawsuit. Swyck >> We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if you >> would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are getting my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >declawed, and then I'll drag it right down to the vet for surgery. Try >and stop me. Another case of a weak mind with a limited vocabulary attempting to express his views. > It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one > from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > put to sleep than god forbid that it should live with a poor family or get > declawed. Answer their questions with the answers they want. In other words, lie. If they come around later to "inspect your home", whatever that means, tell them to get stuffed. "Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message > For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level. well if you have a problem with this, then Im very glad you wont be. there are way too many people who want a cat for reasons that are not in the best interest of the cat, aka to go out and kill mice and squirrels ( which harbor way too many different diseases) at the best, and at the worse to feed to their current pets or to bate fight dogs. I for one don't think the screening goes far enough, but usually the questions tend to turn off the people who wont take the best care of the cat. and if you think that is the only screening you have to go through to get a child, then you are more ignorant than you look. > "Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > there are way too many people who want a cat for reasons that are not in the > best interest of the cat But killing the cat -is- in it's best interest, right? That apparently how the human society feels, because they'll kill a cat before they'll allow somebody to adopt it. I guess that means I can adopt a cat for the sole purpose of taking it out in the woods and bashing its head in with a big rock, as long as I promise not to have it declawed first. > > "Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > out in the woods and bashing its head in with a big rock, as long as I > promise not to have it declawed first. Why not simply volunteer at a shelter. Most shelters have to make that agonizing triage decision many times a day, and killing kittens sounds like a job made for you. Too bad though, I doubt they'll let you use a big rock. Ed > Why not simply volunteer at a shelter. Most shelters have to make that > agonizing triage decision many times a day, and killing kittens sounds > like a job made for you. Too bad though, I doubt they'll let you use a > big rock. And I'm going to feel bad that they gas animals that could live perfectly decent lives minus their claws? Your priorities are f.cked up. > > Why not simply volunteer at a shelter. Most shelters have to make that > > agonizing triage decision many times a day, and killing kittens sounds [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Your priorities are f.cked up. You analysis is insipid, as you can't follow three rounds of a thread without losing the point. I have never commented on declawing (which I happen to have required for all of the cats I have owned). Odd, in other threads, you have remained lucid for a longer time. I assume the rejection is weighing heavily on your mind. Ed > You analysis is insipid, as you can't follow three rounds of a thread > without losing the point. I have never commented on declawing (which I > happen to have required for all of the cats I have owned). The point is on your head. Declawing happens to be the primary reason these twits have for denying "adoption". They seem to have no problem "mutilating" the cats in other far more invasive ways. They are hypocrits of the first degree. > Odd, in other threads, you have remained lucid for a longer time. I > assume the rejection is weighing heavily on your mind. Not at all. These "charities" are free to act as stupidly as they wish, as I am free to act as I will. I choose to laugh at their moronic activities, and to point them out. I'm not sure what benefit you derive from this, loon. > > You analysis is insipid, as you can't follow three rounds of a thread > > without losing the point. I have never commented on declawing (which I [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I'm not sure what benefit you derive from this, loon. Several times a month, primarily for comic relief, I enjoy conversing with a hare-brain who mistakes me for some kind of a duck. Thank you, Mister Quackers! Ed > Several times a month, primarily for comic relief, I enjoy conversing > with a hare-brain who mistakes me for some kind of a duck. Thank you, > Mister Quackers! You walk like a duck, quack like a duck, and lay eggs like a duck....... >It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one >from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >put to sleep than god forbid that it should live with a poor family or get >declawed. The rescue agencies that have started using adoption contracts are simply following the lead of responsible purebred breeders, who have been using legally enforcable sales contracts for decades now. Using contracts lowers the rate of return, ensures better homes for animals that the people care deeply foor, lowers the rate of neglect/abuse cases, and in general means a better life for the animal adopted. As for declawing, there are plenty of cats already in the shelter systems who have been mutilated already. If you must have a cat with no toes, then adopt one who has already had this cruel surgery done to it. I am sure that someone will tell you to lie -- it's not in your best interest to do so. Sales and adoption contracts are drawn up to be fully legally enforcable, and breeders and rescue groups *will* come after you. Orchid Orchid's Kitties: http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Orchid's Guide: http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid > I am sure that someone will tell you to lie -- it's not in > your best interest to do so. Sales and adoption contracts are drawn > up to be fully legally enforcable, and breeders and rescue groups > *will* come after you. Crap. If I buy a cat and decide to have it declawed I will do so no matter what piece of junk form they have people fill out so they feel better about it. There are plenty of places to get kittens outside of the morons at the shelters. That is the point of the forms - to keep people like you from getting the kittens there, and make you get them somewhere else. > > I am sure that someone will tell you to lie -- it's not in > > your best interest to do so. Sales and adoption contracts are drawn [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > There are plenty of places to get kittens outside of the morons at the > shelters. > That is the point of the forms - to keep people like you from getting > the kittens there, and make you get them somewhere else. Better they get gassed, right loon? That's the only good point you made - declawing is better than gassing. But organizations that ask all those questions are most likely no kill organizations with people volunteering to take care of the animals. You can always get animals to do whatever you want at the local state/county shelter. The bottom line is this: if you are running and organization where people take care of the animals, a lot of these people will be a lot more hyper than even I am about the animals. So if you want free workers... you check out that the animals go to places where the fosters would want them to go. if you don't like that, there are tons of places to get cats - from a friend, hell the local meijer had a woman with free kittens the other day. kr > > That is the point of the forms - to keep people like you from getting > > the kittens there, and make you get them somewhere else. > > Better they get gassed, right loon? > That's the only good point you made - declawing is better than > gassing. But organizations that ask all those questions are most [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of places to get cats - from a friend, hell the local meijer had a > woman with free kittens the other day. kr I hear you - it's their sanctimonious attitude about. Rather than state up front that they will not give cats to people who declaw they have you fill out a form with the question (among many other nosy things) so they can lecture about it. They can keep and pay for all the cats they want in that regard, but they won't be getting any donations from me to support it. > It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one > from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level. Let me guess - you filled out the various forms at the mentioned agencies and they turned you down? Yea and to top that, any woman in this nation can have a blade shoved up her vaginia and into the head of her 8 1/2 termed baby (zygot, fetus), suck its brains out then rip it out of her womb and tossed into the garbage pale. Then she walks off, no make that skips off smiling at her freedom to choose. Wonderful ain't it? > It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one > from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level. > It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one > from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level. What kind of nut are you ? Whats in the world is wrong by making sure animals are taken well care of ? This is the usual thing in UK if you want to adopt an animal from a shelter ...Declawing cats are incredebly cruel and not done outside US ... This person Dave Lister , his email address is retsildivad33@hotmail.com is an EVIL person . Maybe he should be put to sleep or put in a cage This is what he said in his original message > It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one > > from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level. Hmmm..I believe you missed his point..he was being sarcastic. > This person Dave Lister , his email address is > retsildivad33@hotmail.com is an EVIL person . Maybe he should be put [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > > > For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level. > This person Dave Lister , his email address is > retsildivad33@hotmail.com is an EVIL person . Maybe he should be put > to sleep or put in a cage Another nutcase animal lover weighs in. > What kind of nut are you ? Whats in the world is wrong by making sure > animals are taken well care of ? This is the usual thing in UK if you > want to adopt an animal from a shelter ...Declawing cats are > incredebly cruel and not done outside US ... Do you chop the nuts off or dig the ovaries out of your cats, loon? Declawing is no big deal. The cats recover in days. |
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