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Tartar fighting.  Do I have to spend a forture on food?

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WPB - 30 Jul 2006 17:50 GMT
Hello, all: I was just hoping to get an opinion about cat food and a cat's
dental health.

On the advice of my vet I fed my last cat Hill's t/d cat food because it
was good for her and excellent for her teeth (and many of us know how
terrible tooth problems can be with cats).

So I have two new cats (Kitty passed away a year and a half ago) and I'm
continuing with Hill's t/d.  But the cost!  These two are eating machines
and can go through a ten pound bag ($44) in no time.

I definitely want the best for them and am concerned about their having
very healthy teeth.  But is there a less expensive brand than Hill's???  To
make matters worse, when I picked up a new bag yesterday at the vet's, they
told me you can *only* buy Hill's t/d at a vet's office.  That's not very
convenient.

Any and all advice about good healthy, tartar fighting cat food would be
most appreciated.

David in Toronto
Upscale - 30 Jul 2006 18:33 GMT
"WPB" <yes_no@maybe.com> wrote in message

> I definitely want the best for them and am concerned about their having
> very healthy teeth.  But is there a less expensive brand than Hill's???  To
> make matters worse, when I picked up a new bag yesterday at the vet's, they

I tend to think that there's not much difference between kibbles when it
comes to tarter on a cat's teeth. I feel that it's the scraping of the
kibble of the hard kibble on the teeth that might have a beneficial affect
like removing tarter. If you're really concerned about your cat's teeth,
then you can buy cat tooth brushes. One type is the little sleeve that
slides on your finger and then you use that to do your cat's teeth ~
disposable of course, so they add up in cost, but they're very convenient.

I feed my cat IAMS Original kibble (orange bag). An eight pound bag at
Canadian Tire costs about $16.00. As small a benefit as it is, the Canadian
Tire money reduces that another 1%. The only place I've seen the 16 pound
bags of IAMS kibble is at the PetSmart, 835 Eglinton Avenue East at Laird
and it costs more per pound since PetSmart isn't known for its cheap prices.
As well, IAMS has several other kibbles for different stages of a cat's
grown. But, PetSmart also has a free customer discount card, so it might be
cheaper buying the large bag of IAMS from them. Have to check that out.

> David in Toronto

Another David in Toronto.
kraut - 31 Jul 2006 01:03 GMT
>> I definitely want the best for them and am concerned about their having
>> very healthy teeth.  But is there a less expensive brand than Hill's???
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>grown. But, PetSmart also has a free customer discount card, so it might be
>cheaper buying the large bag of IAMS from them. Have to check that out.

I buy the Hills Tartar control dry at Pet Smart here.  I change off
with Friskies tartar control dry to give them a change.]

My furbabies

http://members.aol.com/larrystark/
WPB - 31 Jul 2006 20:21 GMT
Many thanks to everyone who replied--especially David in Toronto and Mike
in Illinois.  You both make great points.  David gives me an alternative
suggestion while Mike says "Hills is expensive, but it's great for cats."  
Both points are well taken.  My last cat had a happy life on Hills t/d.  On
the other hand, this IAMS brand sounds fine and is just over one third the
cost of the Hill's.  I definitely wouldn't nickel and dime when it comes to
my cats.  I'll give this some thought.  Again, as I mentioned I only know
one vet that sells the Hill's and that's a real hike.

Strangely enough, David, I know that Petsmart and Canadian Tire on Laird at
Eglinton well.  I live just on the south side of the Leaside Bridge--only
about a five minute drive.  Ooooooo, I hate that Canadian Tire, though.  
Run down, impossible to find staff--it's depressing.

Again, thanks to everyone for your time and trouble!

David
The Cat Whisperer - 01 Aug 2006 05:43 GMT
I have a suggestion, I just started my cats on Innova dry food, it is bigger
than most dry foods I have seen - halfway to the size of T/D - which is what
makes it good, the large size that needs crunching.

It is also rated as one of the best - top 2 or 3.

My cats love it

I used to feed them eukanuba.

No offence to anyone, but from what I have been reading, Iams is bad stuff
compared to some others for the same money - or close. Read the ingredients.
Google best dry cat food and you'll see some great info.

Innova was a very fair price for the biggest bag  - I forget exactly.

Chris

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The Cat Whisperer - 01 Aug 2006 07:18 GMT
http://cats.about.com/cs/nutrition/tp/premdrycatfood.htm

>I have a suggestion, I just started my cats on Innova dry food, it is
>bigger than most dry foods I have seen - halfway to the size of T/D - which
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> Chris

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Upscale - 01 Aug 2006 10:42 GMT
"The Cat Whisperer" <cat@whisperer.com> wrote in message

> No offence to anyone, but from what I have been reading, Iams is bad stuff
> compared to some others for the same money - or close. Read the ingredients.
> Google best dry cat food and you'll see some great info.

What do you do when your cat absolutely refuses to eat most anything else? I
wish the food manufacturer's had little sample bags of their products,
something I could buy for a few dollars apiece. I'm loathe to spend $10 or
so per bag trying out brands and then have to throw it out when my kitty
won't eat it. I've already been through five or six moist food types and at
least a half dozen types of cat treats. My cat thumbed her nose at all of
them.

I'll Google that dry cat food. Maybe I can mix two brands of kibble and
gradually wean her onto something else.
Mike - 31 Jul 2006 19:43 GMT
Isis had a problem with struvite crystals forming in her bladder. These are
caused by an over abundance of magnesium. She also has a very sensitive
stomach. Anything unusual, like a small piece of chicken from a sandwich,
comes right back up.

My vet had me put her on Hill's Prescription C/D which is lower in
magnesium. She loves that food, dry and canned. It comes in two flavors so I
alternate. The struvite crystals went away and the only times she gacks up
food is if I let her eat too much.

I like the Hill's company. I know their products are pricey. The vet marks
up the food. I only have one cat, not three, so I can deal with the $1.00+
price per can and the cost of the bagged food. I took Isis in for a dental
exam a few months ago and will do so again in the next year. Her teeth came
up clean - no cavities.

I don't guess there's really any way to beat the costs of having a
warm-blooded mammal in my house. I budget it into the mix. I'm sure I spend
close to a thousand a year in food, bathing, and medical exam costs.

Mike in Illinois

> Hello, all: I was just hoping to get an opinion about cat food and a cat's
> dental health.
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>
> David in Toronto
glenn P - 06 Aug 2006 00:59 GMT
I find it more than a little ironic that the dry, carbohydrate-based food
that is intended to ""clean"" cats' teeth, is actually one of the main
products responsible for causing tartar build-up in cats. Most of them
apparently don't even do any cleaning. It's kind of like, but obviously not
the same as using triclosan-based products in humans, which destroy good &
bad bacteria (not to mention build resistance of bad bacteria).

A cursory iSearch should give you a better picture...

> Hello, all: I was just hoping to get an opinion about cat food and a cat's
> dental health.
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> David in Toronto
 
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