$600 in past month.
Have been through two full antibiotic rounds and on Rx food.
Tonight had to go to all night hospital to catheterize so he could pee.
Anyone out there had a difficult crystal problem and had successs with
medicaine or food?
Thanks,
Tom
MaryL - 23 Sep 2003 08:23 GMT
> $600 in past month.
> Have been through two full antibiotic rounds and on Rx food.
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> Thanks,
> Tom
Have you tried Cosequin? I am including a few links that you may want to
check. Please note that this is for long-term treatment.
http://www.whitebearanimalhospital.com/Handouts/Files/FIC.htm
http://www.catdoctor.com/thestore/prods/cdmed102.html
http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/veterinary/cosequincat.htm#vet
http://www.mysa.com/pets/askn.shtml
MaryL
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dinkmeister - 23 Sep 2003 08:30 GMT
This might sound a bit weird, but perhaps "massaging" his "urinary tract"
area help loosen up the crystals so he can pass them?
:$600 in past month.
:Have been through two full antibiotic rounds and on Rx food.
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:Thanks,
:Tom
MaryL - 23 Sep 2003 08:39 GMT
> $600 in past month.
> Have been through two full antibiotic rounds and on Rx food.
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> Thanks,
> Tom
Tom,
This goes WAY back -- to a cat I adopted in 1965. I would certainly want
for you to check with your vet before using this, but it worked wonders for
my cat. He had a continuous series of bladder problems, and at one time had
exploratory surgery after which the vet said the walls of the bladder were
thickened beyond any he had seen. He was not expected to live, but he
outlasted anything that was predicted -- he lived to be almost 20 years of
age. We went through a continuous round of treatments as the infection
returned again and again. Finally, one vet recommended that I give him
250mg of Vitamin C morning and evening to acidify the urine. He said the
excess would be excreted in the urine. It was truly remarkable. He never
had another bladder problem from that time on, and I gave him Vitamin C
twice a day for the rest of his life. I "shopped around" to find the
smallest tablets I could find because some Vitamin C tablets are very large
and can be very bitter to the taste.
MaryL
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Victor M. Martinez - 23 Sep 2003 15:52 GMT
First, feed only wet food. Second, look for formulas with the lowest Magnesium
in them (http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm), I'm assuming you
have struvite crystals. You could also try feeding a urine acidifier, look
for stuff with DL-methionine (sp?).

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Robibnikoff - 23 Sep 2003 16:08 GMT
>$600 in past month.
>Have been through two full antibiotic rounds and on Rx food.
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>Thanks,
>Tom
I had a cat that had this problem and had to give her two different pills twice
a day. It was fairly effective, but things would still flair up sometimes
anyway.
Ask your vet.
Robyn
---MIKE--- - 23 Sep 2003 19:04 GMT
The OP is the same person that two weeks ago was going to have his
lawyer sue cat food companies for causing this problem by selling canned
foods. He claimed that he fed dry foods and never had a problem.
-MIKE
MaryL - 23 Sep 2003 20:34 GMT
> The OP is the same person that two weeks ago was going to have his
> lawyer sue cat food companies for causing this problem by selling canned
> foods. He claimed that he fed dry foods and never had a problem.
>
> -MIKE
I just checked, and you are correct.
Tom, good quality canned food is essential. Check the list of ingredients.
MaryL
Tom - 26 Sep 2003 00:07 GMT
> > The OP is the same person that two weeks ago was going to have his
> > lawyer sue cat food companies for causing this problem by selling canned
> > foods. He claimed that he fed dry foods and never had a problem.
> >
> > -MIKE
First of all, canned vs. non canned has nothing to do with it.
It's quality of the food itself. The name brand food has been deteriorating
and the number of crystal cases is rapidly increasing because of it.
This is why I have contacted my lawyer.
The only reason I'm using prescription canned food right now is they were
out of the prescription dry that he needs.
They had him on w/d dry and he needs cds dry, but using cds canned for now.
They informed me that all canned food has more fat than dry, for one.
> I just checked, and you are correct.
>
> Tom, good quality canned food is essential. Check the list of ingredients.
>
> MaryL
---MIKE--- - 26 Sep 2003 19:01 GMT
Tom, Please don't be stubborn - stay with the canned food. The Wellness
that I feed has 6% fat in the canned and 19% in the dry. Water is 78%
in the canned and 10% in the dry. The vets make money selling the
prescription food so they can't all be trusted with their
recommendations. Your cat NEEDS the water that is in the canned food to
dilute the urine and reduce the likelihood of crystals. I know some cat
food companies have reduced the quality of their product . One of them
is Nutro. When they changed the formula, one of my cats refused to eat
it. They also seemed to lose interest in Innova but I can't say that
they changed their food.
-MIKE
Tom - 26 Sep 2003 00:12 GMT
> > The OP is the same person that two weeks ago was going to have his
> > lawyer sue cat food companies for causing this problem by selling canned
> > foods. He claimed that he fed dry foods and never had a problem.
> >
> > -MIKE
Also, I'd like to know why I didn't see this posting above?
My isp newsserver is having a ton of problems, I think.
> I just checked, and you are correct.
>
> Tom, good quality canned food is essential. Check the list of ingredients.
>
> MaryL
---MIKE--- - 23 Sep 2003 18:48 GMT
Feed mainly a good quality CANNED food (Science diet, Wellness, Innova).
Look for low magnesium and don't worry about ash. Dry food should only
be used for treats. Friskies dental diet (in moderation) can help the
teeth. Cats get most of their water from their food and canned food is
70 to 75 percent water. I very rarely see my cats drink water since
they eat mostly canned food.
-MIKE
Tom - 24 Sep 2003 05:04 GMT
Thanks everyone, I'm massaging his belly, giving him new antibiotics, canned
prescription food (low magnesium) and starting Vit-c.
---MIKE--- - 24 Sep 2003 12:47 GMT
Good show Tom. Let us know how you make out.
-MIKE