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Cat Forum / General Topics / September 2003Weeble Update: 1st Officical Vet Visit
Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 weeks since I rescued him. He passed with flying (or should I say purring) colors. Everyone at the vet's was shocked at how big he is at 1 lb and 2.5 ounces. One of the vet techs said she's seen some kittens that don't even weigh that at *8* weeks of age, let alone 4 weeks!!!! He got his first dose of medicine - which of course he didn't like - and we give him the 2nd dose in 2 weeks. In 3 weeks he goes back for his first round of shots (he will NOT be happy about that - good thing our vet is only a 5 minute drive from our house). They were also kind of amazed at the fact that he's also litter trained, but he did that on his own. He also has a new litterbox: one of those Glad disposable/reusable 9x9 cake pans. I forgot I had some of those when I gave him that makeshift box last week. On another note, I have started giving him some chicken (human) baby food, which he loves, and mixing in with it some canned kitten food, which he's not thrilled about, at least 2 or 3 times a day instead of the bottle, although he still gets the bottle the rest of the time. Slowly I'm going to increase the amount of kitten food while decreasing the amount of baby food (how can he like that stuff - it reeks worse than the kitten food), and slowly decrease the bottle feedings while increasing the other. And he's quite the wrestling buddy. Loves to attack my hands and arms (and anything else he can wrap his legs and jaws around) after a good feeding and a quick nap. He's also attacked my ankles a couple of times when I walked into the bedroom. God thing I was wearing socks. EEEP - I'm raising an ankle biter ;)  SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:59:53 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote: >Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 >weeks since I rescued him. He passed with flying (or should I say purring) [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >into the bedroom. God thing I was wearing socks. EEEP - I'm raising an >ankle biter ;) It sounds like he will grow up to be a cat! You are a great mommie -= keep it up! MLB Congratulations, you are doing such a good job of bringing this little fella up, he is a real credit to you. Best wishes. Lois > Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 > weeks since I rescued him. He passed with flying (or should I say purring) [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > into the bedroom. God thing I was wearing socks. EEEP - I'm raising an > ankle biter ;) "Magic Mood Jeep©" wrote: > Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 > weeks since I rescued him. He passed with flying (or should I say purring) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > those Glad disposable/reusable 9x9 cake pans. I forgot I had some of those > when I gave him that makeshift box last week. You've done an impressive job with Sir Weeble. You can be a proud meowmie. Pam S. It is so heartwarming to hear how this baby is thriving under your care -- hugs and purrs to you for all your help for this little guy. Christine > Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 > weeks since I rescued him. He passed with flying (or should I say purring) [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > into the bedroom. God thing I was wearing socks. EEEP - I'm raising an > ankle biter ;) > Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 > weeks since I rescued him. He passed with flying (or should I say purring) > colors. Everyone at the vet's was shocked at how big he is at 1 lb and 2.5 > ounces. One of the vet techs said she's seen some kittens that don't even > weigh that at *8* weeks of age, let alone 4 weeks!!!! I thought his tummy looked a bit--healthy ;-)! You're doing such an amazing job with him! I can't wait for the next round of pictures! rona > Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 > weeks since I rescued him. You know, we're all getting pretty sick of your stupid f.cking Weeble updates. So put a sock in it. Here, let me help: PLONK >> Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 >> weeks since I rescued him. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Here, let me help: PLONK We are not. Karen ryanc <rc@pound.down> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Weeble Update: 1st Officical Vet Visit: >> Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 >> weeks since I rescued him. [snip idiocy] Who p*ssed in your cornflakes? Never mind, I don't care. Welcome to the bozo bin. PLONK!!!! SignatureSeanette Blaylock "You attribute perfect rationality to the whole of humanity, which has to be one of the most misguided assumptions ever." - Alan Krueger in NANAE [make obvious correction to address to send e-mail] > ryanc <rc@pound.down> had some very interesting things to say about > Re: Weeble Update: 1st Officical Vet Visit: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > [snip idiocy] Who p*ssed in your cornflakes? Weeble, maybe? S. news@stevethepsycho.co.uk (Steve G) had some very interesting things to say about Re: Weeble Update: 1st Officical Vet Visit: >> ryanc <rc@pound.down> had some very interesting things to say about >> Re: Weeble Update: 1st Officical Vet Visit: >> >> Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 >> >> weeks since I rescued him. >> [snip idiocy] Who p*ssed in your cornflakes? >Weeble, maybe? Would serve Ryan right, IMO. SignatureSeanette Blaylock "You attribute perfect rationality to the whole of humanity, which has to be one of the most misguided assumptions ever." - Alan Krueger in NANAE [make obvious correction to address to send e-mail] >> Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 >> weeks since I rescued him. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Here, let me help: PLONK Why do people think that they can get a point across by using words that should be offensive to everyone? We love Weeble and want to hear how he is doing. So keep your nasty comments to yourself. PLONK ryanc said: >>Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 >>weeks since I rescued him. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Here, let me help: PLONK It's simple. Even someone with as limited brain power as you should be able to understand it: do not read them if you are tired of them. > > Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 > > weeks since I rescued him. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Here, let me help: PLONK Jeez, what's *your* problem?? Try getting up on the other side of the bed next time. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > > Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 > > weeks since I rescued him. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Here, let me help: PLONK I can't believe you eat with that mouth. YUK. Sorry, I'm one of those who look forward to those Weeble updates. I feel like Sir Weeble's auntie, and love to hear how my furry nephew is doing. So leave it or plonk it, just don't swear about it. Pam S. Magic Mood Jeep wrote: <snip> At this point I can only assume that you have ignored my question on purpose as I have posed this to you twice in two different threads where you responded to others. I will ask again. What are you doing about the mom cat? She is no doubt still in the area as pregnant females generally have their kittens close to a food source. Can you put food out to see if you can attract her back, or ask your neighbors if anyone has seen/is feeding her? It seems that in all this wallowing in cuteness the mother has been completely disregarded. By now what milk she may have had has dried up, and she either is already or is ready to go into heat again. She WILL get pregnant and her next litter will be born in winter. If they don't freeze to death, they'll be ready to make more kittens by summer. And the mother will keep having litters. To allow the breeding and suffering to continue when you have an opportunity to stop the cycle is unnacceptable. As I said before it's good that you have rescued Weeble and are taking good care of him, but don't think your responsibility ends there. It doesn't. You have a responsibility to the mother cat as well and should be doing everything you can to find her, trap her, and have her spayed. Frankly, I'm extremely disappointed that I seem to be the only one that cares about what happens to the mother, although this is one instance where I would love to be wrong. I expected better of these groups. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > Magic Mood Jeep wrote: > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Megan BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! Weebles' meowmie has no reponsibility to the mother cat. Don't get me wrong, I am hoping she is OK just like we all are but I don't think you should be flaming the person who adopted Weebles and gave a cat a life who otherwise would've been left to die. > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do > nothing." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - W.H. Murray >BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! Weebles' meowmie >has no reponsibility to the mother cat. Of course, what was I thinking? Cute little kittens are the only ones deserving of compassion, and expecting someone to do the right thing for the mother (who she frightened away from the kittens which is why one is dead and the other is in her house) is out of the question. I've forgotten that ethics and responsibility have no place here. >Don't get me wrong, I am hoping she is >OK just like we all are You can take comfort in the fact that failing to do the right thing for this cat means she is out there in heat or pregnant and in the next few months there will be more of those cute little kittens you care about so much. And, at just a few days/weeks old, they'll be outside in the winter, and will procreate come summer. But that's OK in your book. The mother doesn't deserve to be looked after and the outcome described above is inevitable. >but I don't think you should be flaming >the person who adopted Weebles and >gave a cat a life who otherwise would've >been left to die. I suggest you take a reading comprehension course. Expecting someone to do the right thing and take responsibility for the *whole* situation instead of just the cute, fun part is the issue here. That is not flaming, and I am not asking her to do anything I haven't done myself, MANY times. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray In news:bke7mf$e7p$1@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au, Angela Ryan <angela.ryan@studentmail.newcastle.edu.au> composed with style: >> Magic Mood Jeep wrote: >> <snip> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > adopted Weebles and gave a cat a life who otherwise would've been > left to die. That wasn't flaming. It was compassion for what is going to be a whole community of new homeless cats. It's great to take in the babies but what happens when the good hearts run out? More babies die. Just to calm a few people down, here are some facts: 1) MamaKat is being fed by us, and has possibly taken up residence in our garage (we've left the door open about a foot). The kittens are still too little to be without their mama for the length of time it would take to get her spayed so we are going to wait a bit more before capturing her and having her spayed. We plan on capturing the kittens then too and find homes for them or taking them to a nearby shelter to be homed. Please don't flame me for mentioning the word shelter, but there's no way that I can care for 3 adult cats, Weeble, plus another 3 kittens! 2) And yes, it was *I* who startled MamaKat away from her babies to begin with. She had them in one of the window wells outside one of our basement windows, just a few feet away from where we keep our trash cans. It was on a Thursday evening, and I went to get said trash cans (early Friday morning is trash day in our section of town, so we take our trash to the curb the evening before) when there was an explosion of white & black fur, and I was looking at a startled white & black kitty, and she was looking back at me. Then she fled. I looked in the window well that she had come from, and there were 5 kittens: 2 black, 2 white & black, 1 white & grey. We went about collecting our trash & put it at the curb, then put food out for MamaKat, and since the window well was exposed to the weather and it was supposed to rain that night (it never did) we propped a sheet of plywood against the house to provide shelter for MamaKat & kittens. Next morning at 5:30am, we checked, the food we left was gone, but we didn't want to get too close to the window well so I don't know if all 5 kittens were there or not. We put out more food and then went about our business. At 7am, I checked again, the food was still there, buzzing with flies, so I ventured closer to the window well, only 2 kittens: 1 black 1 white & black. I went for my exercise ( a 3.5 mile walk), and when I returned 2 hours later the food was still there, untouched except by flies, and 2 lonely kittens. I scooped them up and wrapped them in my shirt (any neighbors watching would have wondered what this half-naked lady was doing running around the yard), put them in an empty DVD player box on our enclosed front porch, and called my vet while putting on another shirt. She gave (sold) me some Nurtuall-C & a bottle, and when I got home, I warmed some food, and the black kitten ate hungrily. White & black one was not interested. I kept feedings at 2-hour intervals, but the white & black one would not eat. Not even some syrup (for energy) - she'd spit everything back out. AT 4pm I took both to the vet, and waited my turn. The other humans there were all interested in the kittens & their story, and one couple had their 2 children with them (aged between 8-12, I think), and they wanted to hold them, but I told them that I didn't think it would be good for the kittens as they were so little, and one was sick. When it was my turn, the vet looked at the black one, sow no problem with him, and then turned his attention to the white & black one. She was very listless, never made a sound until he put the cold stethoscope to her, and barely reacted when he pinched her rear toes. He could barely make out a heartbeat and he agreed that euthanasia would be best. She had been spitting up a mixture of mucous & blood, so I think that MamaKat maybe kicked/stepped on her when she exploded from the window well. that may be why she left white & black one, but the black one (Weeble) was OK, she must have left him because he was cuddled up with the other & she couldn't tell that there were two??? And on a side note, how come there are no success stories on any of your anti-declaw sites??? Only the tragedies... Sad that you/they can't give people BOTH sides to the story. And yes, I have 2 successfully declawed (front only) cats, but both Lizzie & Weeble will NOT be declawed, as it will be unnecessary for them. My argument is not for or against declawing, but the fact that you/they only give the information on your web site that suits your/their needs. SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > Magic Mood Jeep wrote: > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - W.H. Murray <SNIP> > And on a side note, how come there are no success stories on any of > your anti-declaw sites??? Only the tragedies... Sad that you/they > can't give people BOTH sides to the story. There is no such thing as a success story if you declaw a cat, it is a very cruel mutilation which thankfully is illegal in most countries. No one who truly cares about cats would have this procedure done if they understood what was involved. SignatureAdrian A House Is Not A Home, Without A Cat. >Magic Mood Jeep© wrote: ><SNIP> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >what was involved. > Yes there is. My cat is a diabetic who has suffered from food allergies . He had been scratching the outside of his left ear and licking bald spots all over himself . He was put on allergy food, and the licking himself bald cleared up, but he still kept trying to destroy the outer part of his ear. We tried soft paws, allergy meds, etc. plus his being diabetic, we could not use certain meds on him, which might have helped. He wore a cone most of the time to prevent him from damaging himself. The ear is pretty thin, and he scratched it so much, it would look like raw hamburger, and we feared he would puncture the ear, or worse. Our last resort was declawing that left rear foot, an option I was not crazy about. Reading these newsgroups, I knew exactly what declawing was, but I just couldn't let him live his life in a cone. The vet and I decided to have it done. My cat has all of this other claws. He came out of the surgery with flying colors, healed very nicely, and scratched his ear for a little while after the surgery, but now doesn't scratch it at all anymore. Nothing about his feeding or anything else has changed. He no longer wears a cone, and has suffered no ill effects from the one rear declaw. I am happy and so is he, so yes, there can be a good story somewhere. Citra >> <SNIP> >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Citra I should have added in a few rare cases it is for the benefit of the cat, in cases such as yours or where there is damage to the paws and a declaw is the only option. Declawing just to save someones furniture should never be an option, SignatureAdrian A House Is Not A Home, Without A Cat. > >> <SNIP> > >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > only option. Declawing just to save someones furniture should never be an > option, You know, reading all this emotional crap makes me want to drag my kitties down and have them declawed just for spite. /eyeballs the cat menacingly >You know, reading all this emotional crap makes me want to drag my >kitties down and have them declawed just for spite. I'd like to do the same to you and see how emotional you get. > >You know, reading all this emotional crap makes me want to drag my > >kitties down and have them declawed just for spite. > > I'd like to do the same to you and see how emotional you get. a. I don't have any claws. b. I'm referring to emotional posts, not emotional cats. c. You're not very intelligent, are you? Rhetorical question. :: In article <03frmv8edkfbhjv7c14qq20d03fuvlk3qo@4ax.com>, :: hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com says... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: :: a. I don't have any claws. Declawing is not only about the claws. They are removed with a not so small amount of flesh. If you were to relate it to humans, it would be like cutting off your nails PLUS the upper part of your fingers. How nice would it be? -- Paulina >> >You know, reading all this emotional crap makes me want to drag my >> >kitties down and have them declawed just for spite. >> >> I'd like to do the same to you and see how emotional you get. > >a. I don't have any claws. a) It's actually a digit amputation at the first joint so your fingers will do just fine. >b. I'm referring to emotional posts, not emotional cats. b) You missed the point idiot. Since all the emotional crap was "getting to you" I wanted to see how emotional you get when something real happens to you. >c. You're not very intelligent, are you? Rhetorical question. I suggest that you anastomose your duodenum to your lips so the tastebuds can be included in the loop. Chew on that for awhile. > > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >kitties down and have them declawed just for spite. > As for you, you have no idea what I went through with my cat, so shut up. Citra >/eyeballs the cat menacingly <SNIP> >You know, reading all this emotional crap makes me want to drag my >kitties down and have them declawed just for spite. > >/eyeballs the cat menacingly Why don't you try self-immolation? That would REALLY spite us..... ><SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Why don't you try self-immolation? That would REALLY spite us..... I take it you've been declawed? Jade >> <SNIP> >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jade How long before this thread devolves to male vs female circumcision vs declawing? Is there a connection? LOL -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:52:24 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote: >Just to calm a few people down, here are some facts: > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >argument is not for or against declawing, but the fact that you/they only >give the information on your web site that suits your/their needs. You are doing and have done a great job...I commend you for your caring. I have been following your posting about Weeble and I am sure he will grow into a beautiful pet. MLB This explanation was not really necessary to most of us but I'm glad you wrote it. I had a feeling from the start that there was more to the story in your favor and that flamers were jumping to unwarranted conclusions. You did, and are doing, GREAT!!!!! Jeanne Magic Mood Jeep wrote: > Just to calm a few people down, here are > some facts: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > no way that I can care for 3 adult cats, > Weeble, plus another 3 kittens! I really hope this is true. I will be honest and say that I am a bit skeptical because until now that the criticism is beginning you have not posted a single word regarding this, despite being asked before. If it is true then you will want to try to get the kittens as soon as they are weaned. The older they get, the harder it is to tame them, especially if you want them to be adopted by others. 6 weeks old is about the right age as they haven't developed the fear of humans that they can have as soon as 8 weeks old. Taking them that young is not the most ideal, but in this kind of scenario there isn't much choice. What you can do right now to help the situation even before you catch the mother and kittens is start looking for homes for them. Make a flyer that tells their story in a way that tugs at the heartstrings. Post them at your place of work, vet clinics, or the smaller pet supply stores that sell super premiuim pet foods. If you start this now you may very well have homes lined up by the time you catch them. Hopefully you will also make sure that anyone interested in adopting will not declaw. You can also do a google search and see if there are any local rescues that are familiar with this type of situation and can help you with trapping. They may even help you find homes for the kitties in exchange for your fostering the family. If the mother cat turns out to be tame that would be great. If not, bringing her to a shelter will be a certain death sentence. You can spay her, release her and provide her with food and shelter, or you may be able to find a kind soul that will accept her "as is," adopt her, and patiently wait for her to come around on her own. > And on a side note, how come there are > no success stories on any of your > anti-declaw sites??? Because "successful declaw" is an oxymoron. >Only the tragedies... The mutilation of a cat for owner convenience IS a tragedy. >Sad that you/they can't > give people BOTH sides to the story. Just as I would never put up a website listing "success stories" of torture, animal or child abuse, I will not put anything on my site that promotes the cruel and senseless mutilation of cats for owner convenience. > And yes, I have 2 successfully declawed > (front only) cats, but both Lizzie & > Weeble will NOT be declawed, as it will > be unnecessary for them. Declawing for other than <very rare> medical reasons is NEVER necessary. As far as your idea that declawing was "successful" the fact that your cats seemed to have adapted to an unecessary and intentionally inflicted mutilation/handicap certainly does not show that there is anything good about the procedure itself. I should also point out that right now you are teaching Weeble innappropriate behavior by allowing him to bite your ankles and letting him play rough with your hands. It may be cute now, but when he gets older and his teeth and claws are a lot bigger it won't be fun or cute. Since you believe you have "successfully declawed " two other cats I'm not so sure you won't turn to that as the utimate solution if you keep reinforcing his aggressive behavior and it becomes a behavior that follows him into adulthood. If you really are serious about not declawing then take a look at this page and learn how to deal with play aggression: http://www.petplace.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=3498 What you do now will help to determine whether you will have an easy-to-live-with cat or a cat that exhibits inappropriate aggessive behaviors. >My argument is > not for or against declawing, But you ARE arguing *for* declawing by claiming there are "success stories" and expecting me to promote them on an *anti-declaw* website. >but the > fact that you/they only give the > information on your web site that suits > your/their needs. I give information on my site that shows the unnecessary cruelty involved in declawing and educates about the alternatives. To expect me to promote in any way, shape or form a practice that is unnecessary, painful, cruel and handicaps a cat for life is ridiculous. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > I really hope this is true. I will be honest and say that I am a bit > skeptical because until now that the criticism is beginning you have not > posted a single word regarding this, despite being asked before. My server often drops posts. It is possible she did not see your previous post because of the same reason, or perhaps she doesn't normally read your posts. Why not just give her the benefit of the doubt rather than believe she is lying? rona Signature***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** > Magic Mood Jeep wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > skeptical because until now that the criticism is beginning you have not > posted a single word regarding this, despite being asked before. We will do what we can and what we can afford to do (we have only seen the mother in & around our garage, but could find no kittens, so she may be keeping them elsewhere). Lizzie may need orthapedic surgery on one or both knees. We had noticed her limping a couple of times, and some joints popping occasionally (she's not even 2 years old yet, so that shouldn't be), and she's not near as active as she used to be, so we had her checked by TED, and he believes she has loose kneecaps - they keep popping out of joint (either the ligament is mis-aligned or the chanel that the kneecap rests in is too shallow, both fixable with surgery). She goes for X-Rays to be sure of this diagnoses the same day that Weeble goes for 2nd Vet visit. This will run into money (and for the record, I am not employed - my choise), and right now, Lizzie (and the other resident cats, Weeble included) comes first. I did not answer you before because a) no one else seemed interested in that aspect of the story and b) you came across preachy and bossy, and that turns on my 'ignore' mode. A habit from childhood: whenever mother would 'nag' me to clean my room (or any other chores), well, 'ignore' mode kicked in until 'nag' became 'yell' became 'threats of punishment' ;) The only reason I responded this time as it was begining to turn into some big debate, with everyone (including you) just speculating, and since *I* am the only one here that knows the whole story, it falls on *me* to, shall I say, put an end to it. <snip some good advice> > You can also do a google search and see if there are any local rescues > that are familiar with this type of situation and can help you with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "as is," adopt her, and patiently wait for her to come around on her > own. There is a 'rescue' organization here called Pets Alive. http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/IN162.html I contacted them when I rescued Weeble, and plan on contacting them when the the time comes regarding both MamaKat & babies. <snip> > Declawing for other than <very rare> medical reasons is NEVER necessary. > As far as your idea that declawing was "successful" the fact that your > cats seemed to have adapted to an unecessary and intentionally inflicted > mutilation/handicap certainly does not show that there is anything good > about the procedure itself. Lets just end this declaw debate and say that we agree to disagree, K? > I should also point out that right now you are teaching Weeble > innappropriate behavior by allowing him to bite your ankles and letting [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > aggression: > http://www.petplace.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=3498 He very rarely bites very hard, he is only playing like he would if he were still with his siblings. But, since I do not want a biting/scratching kitty when he grows up, I am starting to direct his energies toward some toys (the main one being a rainbow striped terry cloth mousey that has pink pom-pom ears and a ribbon tail that ends with a jingle bell), and limiting his contact with us to feedings and cuddlings... well, OK, maybe a tad bit of wrestling just because he's so cute & adorable & I can't resist. But mainly I urge him to wrestle with the mousey, if he goes for my hand (or other body part), I have been redirecting him toward the mousey. There's no way I could give up Weeble no matter how much he bit or scratched me - we've bonded with each other (he's been following me around). I know I would be terribly upset if he were gone, and I don't know what kind of emotions cats have, but I'm not taking the chance of traumatizing the little furball. SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep <SNIP> >> Declawing for other than <very rare> medical reasons is NEVER >> necessary. As far as your idea that declawing was "successful" the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lets just end this declaw debate and say that we agree to disagree, K? The fact that you disagreed with the above statement shows that you are unfit to care for an animal. You have now been added to my kill file. SignatureAdrian A House Is Not A Home, Without A Cat. > And on a side note, how come there are no success stories on any of > your anti-declaw sites??? Only the tragedies... Sad that you/they [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that you/they only give the information on your web site that suits > your/their needs. ffs Their needs?? There is a situation out there where they NEED to be declawed? What a clueless idiot. I meant their as in the website owner, not the cat. Reread my post, clueless idiot. SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > > And on a side note, how come there are no success stories on any of > > your anti-declaw sites??? Only the tragedies... Sad that you/they [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Their needs?? There is a situation out there where they NEED to be > declawed? What a clueless idiot. > I meant their as in the website owner, not the cat. Reread my > post, clueless idiot. Ah, ok. But I do owe you an apology for the name calling and I do apologize. No excuses but I was incredibly grumpy for days without power and no sign of getting it back and food rotting in the freezer, and took it out on you for a second. It didn't make me feel better and I hope to keep seeing Weeble updates. >>> And on a side note, how come there are no success stories on any >>> of your anti-declaw sites??? Only the tragedies... Sad that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Their needs?? There is a situation out there where they NEED to be >> declawed? What a clueless idiot. Apology accepted. Hope all is better on your end. More Weeble updates coming soon... SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > > I meant their as in the website owner, not the cat. Reread my > > post, clueless idiot. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >> Their needs?? There is a situation out there where they NEED to be > >> declawed? What a clueless idiot. > > And on a side note, how come there are no success stories on any of > > your anti-declaw sites??? Only the tragedies... Sad that you/they [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Their needs?? There is a situation out there where they NEED to be > declawed? What a clueless idiot. Heh. It looks like Cheryl is the clueless idiot, here. That is so sweet. I was depressed when logging on to the internet that I had been by mail-bombed by some virus. When I read your post it made me smile. Weebles is going to be OK. I kind've sensed that from your earlier posts. It is easy to see that he is being well looked after and you do it all without any complaints. You were obviously chosen as his Meowmie. It is so good to hear that even the vet says he is doing well. There is no way you can't keep him now. Only one complaint....WE WANT MORE PHOTOS!!! Good luck, and, congratulations Angela (contemplating getting another cat to keep Gizmo company) and Gizmo > Weeble just got back from his first official vet visit, 1 day short of 4 > weeks since I rescued him. He passed with flying (or should I say purring) [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ > http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep Angela Ryan said: > That is so sweet. I was depressed when logging on to the internet that I had > been by mail-bombed by some virus. When I read your post it made me smile. I know it's bothersome but don't feel too bad - you're not alone alot of people are getting them. I have about a hundred or so today. Apparently Exploit-MIME.gen.c and W32/Swen@MM are running rampant. I finally added a message rule to delete the messages before my AV software caught it. I got tired of the pop up warnings. > Only one complaint....WE WANT MORE PHOTOS!!! Yes we do! > Angela Ryan said: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a message rule to delete the messages before my AV software caught it. I > got tired of the pop up warnings. My problem is that they're all going to one of my hotmail accounts (I have three hotmail, two yahoo, and the one from my ISP) so my mailbox keeps filling up--quickly! Actually, it's the one I use for newsgroups. People on rfc have said the bombers are not harvesting from Usenet, but I don't know--only one account out of a total of 6 is affected and it just happens to be my Usenet one? Coincidence? Ob Cats: (imagine the sound of feet stomping to about 60 beats/minute) We want Weeble pictures! We want Weeble pictures! We want Weeble pictures! We want Weeble pictures! We want Weeble pictures! We want Weeble pictures! We want Weeble pictures! We want Weeble pictures! rona Any Weeble pictures I take now will either be of him sleeping (boring) or of a black blur as he darts out of camera range to investigate the dust-bunnies under the bed ;) Speaking of bed, I was woke up this margining by something bopping me gently on my butt - thinking it was one of the other cats settling down for a nap (or for a nice session of licking-it's-own-butt), I reached down to push it away from me some, but my what my hand came in contact with was much too small to be one of my others - it was Weeble! He had climbed up onto the bed!!! I nudged my hubby, and asked if he put Weeble up on the bed, and he said no. I told him "then he must have climbed"... hubby didn't believe me, so I put him back in his box while I went to the kitchen to get some Weeble-food. When I got back, hubby was playing with Weeble on the bed. He stated that he indeed DID climb up on the bed, and hubby watched him this time. I fed Weeble, hubby & I played with him, then we both got up out of bed to do other things for a bit. About 1/2 hour later, I went back into the bedroom, opened the blinds and started making the bed. Much to my surpize, Weeble was hidden under the sheets. He coulda gotten smashed if I had flopped down on the bed instead of making it. I put him on the floor where he proceeded to play the game of attack-the-ankles by hiding under the bed and pouncing on me as I walked around making the bed, and then quickly running back under the bed to lay in wait for another pouncing. SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > > Angela Ryan said: > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > rona On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:57:15 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote: >Any Weeble pictures I take now will either be of him sleeping (boring) or of >a black blur as he darts out of camera range to investigate the dust-bunnies [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >and pouncing on me as I walked around making the bed, and then quickly >running back under the bed to lay in wait for another pouncing. He sounds absolutely precious. And now I've got the "We Want Weeble Pictures" chant running through my head. > And now I've got the "We Want Weeble Pictures" chant running through > my head. But do you have the stomping sound, too? It's not as good without the stomping sound :-). rona >> And now I've got the "We Want Weeble Pictures" chant running through >> my head. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >rona yes, sitting here at my desk I'm thumping my heals to WE WANT WEEBLE PICTURES Precocious little guy. (Weeble, not your husband. ;-} ) Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > Any Weeble pictures I take now will either be of him sleeping (boring) or of > a black blur as he darts out of camera range to investigate the dust-bunnies [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > > > rona >Precocious little guy. (Weeble, not your husband. ;-} ) > >Cathy There's pictures of the husband in there? :-) >> Angela Ryan said: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >know--only one account out of a total of 6 is affected and it just happens >to be my Usenet one? Coincidence? I've had over 100 today and at least 50 yesterday on my Yahoo account, which BTW is the one that I use for news groups. Nan Rona Yuthasastrakosol said: >>Angela Ryan said: >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > know--only one account out of a total of 6 is affected and it just happens > to be my Usenet one? Coincidence? I noticed that as well, and so did several other people. So either people are harvesting from usenet or some of the people who read usenet that we wrote to or responded to us got us in their address books. I looked at some of the e-mail addresses on the messages I received and I did not recognize them. So if the e-mail addresses are correct and not forged I don't know the people. You can stop the foot-stomping chant now... more pictures are currently being uploaded to http://community.webshots.com/album/87385216QpelvE give them a few minutes to upload.... and save your voices and flooring! Oh, and yes, there are a few of hubby this time - and please forgive the chili stains on his shirt... men ;) SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > > Angela Ryan said: > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > rona > You can stop the foot-stomping chant now... more pictures are currently > being uploaded to > http://community.webshots.com/album/87385216QpelvE > > give them a few minutes to upload.... and save your voices and flooring! Hee, hee! Whining always works :-)! (Can you tell I'm the youngest in my family?) Weeble *really* looks like a mini-cat now! And his tummy is does not look nearly as rounded as it used to ;-)! > Oh, and yes, there are a few of hubby this time - and please forgive the > chili stains on his shirt... men ;) Whew! I thought those hairy legs were yours =:-o! (just kidding!) rona SignatureFor e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience! I esp. like the Mmmmmmmmmmm... more fingers pic. :-) He's just getting cuter & cuter! And still has blue eyes! Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > > You can stop the foot-stomping chant now... more pictures are currently > > being uploaded to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -- > For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience! I am trying to figure out what colour he will end up being. That white is getting more obvious.....but I can also see stripes His paws are BIG....does that mean he will be a big cat? (I know thats what it means with dogs, cats I am not sure). He looks like a real little hunter allready!!! He has changed HEAPS.....do you notice the changes as I do or is it hard to tell because you are with him all the time? It must be really hard to get anything done at home now.....I know I'd be wanting to play with him all the time. Once again. Congratulations on doing such a wonderful job with him and Keep up the photos!!! Angela and Gizmo (changed name due to excess e-mails) > You can stop the foot-stomping chant now... more pictures are currently > being uploaded to [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > > > rona > Angela Ryan said: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I know it's bothersome but don't feel too bad - you're not alone alot of > people are getting them. I have about a hundred or so today. Yep, I got 134 of the stupid things - mostly purporting to be from Microsoft - today. A PITA. Whereas the Weeble updates are cool. :-) Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon Apparently > Exploit-MIME.gen.c and W32/Swen@MM are running rampant. I finally added > a message rule to delete the messages before my AV software caught it. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Yes we do! Cathy Friedmann said: >>Angela Ryan said: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Cathy Yep I got a little over a hundred over night last night. I would have got more but my mail box was full and started bouncing them. I was on course of having several hundred today but got tired of cleaning up the mess. So I canceled the secondary e-mail address account which was only used for usenet and setup a new one. Their is growing evidence that this might be a new variant that grabs e-mail addresses from usenet as well as to the other sources. I got a bunch of the things over the weekend while I was gone. Sigh. I too am considering canceling the email address and starting a new one. I did get one email that had a lot of RPCA addresses in it. So far I only got one more of the stupid things today. I think someone took hold of our email addresses and tried to use them to email a worm to people and what I was getting back were messages from mailboxes that don't exist at those places. Bridget > Cathy Friedmann said: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > might be a new variant that grabs e-mail addresses from usenet as well > as to the other sources. > And he's quite the wrestling buddy. Loves to attack my hands and arms (and > anything else he can wrap his legs and jaws around) after a good feeding and > a quick nap. He's also attacked my ankles a couple of times when I walked > into the bedroom. God thing I was wearing socks. EEEP - I'm raising an > ankle biter ;) And that is how Apache gained her name :-) SignatureJette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ |
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