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Training advice, not to go upstairs
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guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 23 Jan 2006 00:24 GMT Hi,
I have just got my first cat, a 2 year old, she is generally well trained (litter tray etc) but the previous owners used to let her roam upstairs, in bedrooms etc, but I woulkd like her just to stay downstairs / outdoors. I have heard this isnt too difficult to train, but how would I go about doing it?
I have heard punishing a cat is bad and works against you. At the moment we just pick her up and take her downstairs when she goes up, but after a while she understandable avoids being picked etc, should we keep at it and add in something like saying 'no' in a strongish voice? They say to reward the cat for good behaviour, but its not like using a litter box, cant give cats treats just for sitting in the lougne etc becuase it wont unerstand that was for not going upstairs.
Any help would be most appreciated, very hapy with my cat :)
Ivor Jones - 23 Jan 2006 11:38 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I have heard this isnt too difficult to train, but how > would I go about doing it? Why would you want to do this..? If you don't want her to go in certain rooms, keep the doors of those rooms closed.
Enjoy her, welcome to the world of furball slaves :-)
Ivor
guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 23 Jan 2006 13:18 GMT Just for hygenic reasons really (i.e keeping them off the beds etc). Thing is I dont want to keep on having my doors closed and slipping out of them not to let her in. I think she may be a bit fascinated by them since she has only been here a few days, so I'll walk her around about so that may quench, she definitely likes to explore.
We have been advised to keep her in for a while just so she gets to know us / the house / the scent so when we let her outside she will return and not get lost. How long would you say to keep her in for? - its just it must get a bit boring for her, but if it must be done then its got to be done.
Ivor Jones - 23 Jan 2006 18:21 GMT > Just for hygenic reasons really (i.e keeping them off the > beds etc). Thing is I dont want to keep on having my > doors closed and slipping out of them not to let her in. > I think she may be a bit fascinated by them since she has > only been here a few days, so I'll walk her around about > so that may quench, she definitely likes to explore. You'll miss out so much if you do this..! Part of the joy of having cats is them jumping up onto the bed at night :-) I love it when my Missy comes to sleep next to me in the night, she always sleeps downstairs when I go to bed, then in the early hours she comes up and curls up next to me
:-) I wouldn't worry too much about hygiene, cats are very clean animals. Keep them off kitchen work surfaces, yes, but you won't have any problems with her on the bed.
> We have been advised to keep her in for a while just so > she gets to know us / the house / the scent so when we > let her outside she will return and not get lost. How > long would you say to keep her in for? - its just it > must get a bit boring for her, but if it must be done > then its got to be done. I volunteer at a rescue shelter, we advise that cats are kept inside for a minimum of three weeks before being allowed out. If you haven't done so already, get her microchipped, then if she does go missing you stand a far better chance of being reunited.
Ivor
guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 24 Jan 2006 16:36 GMT Thanks, yeah she is chiped. Hehheh, looks like she has claimed the upstairs, but we are being very strict about the rooms, and she tried jumping onto the beds to begin with, but using spider's way of training she seems to doing it much less / understanding.
cheers
---MIKE--- - 23 Jan 2006 23:57 GMT guitar.is.good. wrote:
>>How long would you say to keep her in >> for? About 20 years!
---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') mlbriggs - 25 Jan 2006 01:37 GMT On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:18:13 -0800, guitar.is.good wrote:
> Just for hygenic reasons really (i.e keeping them off the beds etc). > Thing is I dont want to keep on having my doors closed and slipping out [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > its just it must get a bit boring for her, but if it must be done then > its got to be done. If you make her an indoor only cat, you will have less (germs) to worry about. she will also stay healthier and live longer. MLB
Ivor Jones - 25 Jan 2006 09:51 GMT [snip]
> If you make her an indoor only cat, you will have less > (germs) to worry about. > she will also stay healthier and live longer. MLB This is an old argument and not always true. I know of many indoor/outdoor cats who have lived long and healthy lives. As an example, a friend's cat just died a few weeks ago. She lived on a very busy road, always had the freedom to come and go and rarely had any health problems. She was almost 19.
Ivor
guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 26 Jan 2006 15:11 GMT Our cat is definitely going to be an outside cat that comes inside every so often, (apparently she loves the outside according to her last owner). We are debating whether to put a cat flap on the door to let her go about as she pleases. I dont think its right keeping a cat indoors all the time (and definitly against using anything like those cat harnesses to occasionally take them outside)
About germs, clean environments etc cripple an immune system, exposure to germs strengthen the immune system, add in the fresh air, exercise, of the outside and over-exposure to things like dust etc if kept inside, I think an outdoor cat will ultimatly be healthier / live a more rewarding life - just my opinion btw, not saying whats right or wrong! :) We live in the country so she's got alot to explore, as long as she remebers where home is...
> [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ivor mlbriggs - 27 Jan 2006 06:13 GMT On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:11:09 -0800, guitar.is.good wrote:
> Our cat is definitely going to be an outside cat that comes inside > every so often, (apparently she loves the outside according to her last [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >> Ivor Well I've lived in the "city" all my life and the squashed cats I've seen over the years has been awful. MLB
guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 27 Jan 2006 15:17 GMT Yeah, I lived in a city a while back + we never got cats/dogs for that reason, + small gardens. But moved back to the country recently, so took the plunge :) ones enough tho :)
Spider - 23 Jan 2006 13:42 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Any help would be most appreciated, very hapy with my cat :) Hi,
I have read your post and Ivor's reply. If you don't want your cat upstairs, stick to your guns and train the critter. I have always trained my cats not to go upstairs for reasons of hygiene and because I don't want them to be trapped upstairs when I'm out. I certainly don't wish to have a litter tray in my bedroom.
Because your cat has previously been allowed to go upstairs, your task will be more arduous, but stick with it. Very occasionally one of my cats will sneak upstairs but I have developed such a conscience in them (you should hear me in 'Sargeant Major' mode!) that they quickly obey the command to get downstairs.
When your cat goes upstairs, find it and tell it very firmly 'go downstairs'. Don't carry your cat downstairs, but if it won't go of its own accord, carry it to the head of the stairs, put it down and say 'downstairs, now!' You need to have the cat going downstairs on its own; if it doesn't, how can you praise it for going downstairs? Make sure kitty goes all the way down and then praise it to glory.
These days, all I have to do is stand at the bottom of the stairs and call the cat down. As soon as I see the cat at the top of the stair, I step back and say 'get downstairs now'. I then stand right away from the bottom of the stairs so the cat doesn't feel threatened. I then usually say 'come now and I won't be cross with you'. Moggychops usually looks relieved and pads swiftly downstairs! Yes, even I'm amazed sometimes.
If your cat obeys you, don't spend the next hour reminding her she was bad. It may work with children, but a cat simply doesn't understand and can't cope. Your training must be acute, so your language must reflect your *immediate* feelings: angry when kitty is bad ... wholesome praise when kitty is good or responds to training. Then say no more about it until the next episode.
As your training progresses and kitty thinks twice about going upstairs, watch her carefully ... she will almost certainly look upstairs (maybe put a paw on the first step) then change her mind. When you see this, praise her well for not going upstairs; it is a sign that your training is getting through to her. As you suggest, you can't practice this training by praising her for simply being downstairs, but you can reinforce training from downstairs by praising her when you see her respond to a training memory. Similarly, if she starts to go upstairs brazenly, tell her 'No. Downstairs' as soon as you see her go wrong. That way you can utilize her naughty behaviour without having to suffer her being upstairs.
If you can, avoid giving treats during training. Some feline offenders will learn to be naughty .. then good, just to get a treat. This isn't helpful!
:~) Another tip that might help: I give my two pussies my old used pillows for their beds. This is a way of giving them a 'taste of upstairs' and your scent for comfort. Sometimes, during training, I will say 'You've got a nice bed, don't use mine' and dump kitty in its bed. Gradually, all these little things add up to the sum of good behaviour.
Hope all goes well. Spider
guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 23 Jan 2006 14:32 GMT Thank you for you advice, very helpful indeed, I will stick to it, thanks!! :)
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