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Training advice, not to go upstairs

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guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 23 Jan 2006 00:24 GMT
Hi,

I have just got my first cat, a 2 year old, she is generally well
trained (litter tray etc) but the previous owners used to let her roam
upstairs, in bedrooms etc, but I woulkd like her just to stay
downstairs / outdoors.  I have heard this isnt too difficult to train,
but how would I go about doing it?

I have heard punishing a cat is bad and works against you.  At the
moment we just pick her up and take her downstairs when she goes up,
but after a while she understandable avoids being picked etc,  should
we keep at it and add in something like saying 'no' in a strongish
voice?  They say to reward the cat for good behaviour, but its not like
using a litter box, cant give cats treats just for sitting in the
lougne etc becuase it wont unerstand that was for not going upstairs.

Any help would be most appreciated, very hapy with my cat :)
Ivor Jones - 23 Jan 2006 11:38 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> I have heard this isnt too difficult to train, but how
> would I go about doing it?

Why would you want to do this..? If you don't want her to go in certain
rooms, keep the doors of those rooms closed.

Enjoy her, welcome to the world of furball slaves :-)

Ivor
guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 23 Jan 2006 13:18 GMT
Just for hygenic reasons really (i.e keeping them off the beds etc).
Thing is I dont want to keep on having my doors closed and slipping out
of them not to let her in.  I think she may be a bit fascinated by them
since she has only been here a few days, so I'll walk her around about
so that may quench, she definitely likes to explore.

We have been advised to keep her in for a while just so she gets to
know us / the house / the scent so when we let her outside she will
return and not get lost.  How long would you say to keep her in for?  -
its just it must get a bit boring for her, but if it must be done then
its got to be done.
Ivor Jones - 23 Jan 2006 18:21 GMT
> Just for hygenic reasons really (i.e keeping them off the
> beds etc). Thing is I dont want to keep on having my
> doors closed and slipping out of them not to let her in.
> I think she may be a bit fascinated by them since she has
> only been here a few days, so I'll walk her around about
> so that may quench, she definitely likes to explore.

You'll miss out so much if you do this..! Part of the joy of having cats
is them jumping up onto the bed at night :-)  I love it when my Missy
comes to sleep next to me in the night, she always sleeps downstairs when
I go to bed, then in the early hours she comes up and curls up next to me
:-)

I wouldn't worry too much about hygiene, cats are very clean animals. Keep
them off kitchen work surfaces, yes, but you won't have any problems with
her on the bed.

> We have been advised to keep her in for a while just so
> she gets to know us / the house / the scent so when we
> let her outside she will return and not get lost.  How
> long would you say to keep her in for?  - its just it
> must get a bit boring for her, but if it must be done
> then its got to be done.

I volunteer at a rescue shelter, we advise that cats are kept inside for a
minimum of three weeks before being allowed out. If you haven't done so
already, get her microchipped, then if she does go missing you stand a far
better chance of being reunited.

Ivor
guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 24 Jan 2006 16:36 GMT
Thanks, yeah she is chiped.  Hehheh, looks like she has claimed the
upstairs, but we are being very strict about the rooms, and she tried
jumping onto the beds to begin with, but using spider's way of training
she seems to doing it much less / understanding.

cheers
---MIKE--- - 23 Jan 2006 23:57 GMT
guitar.is.good. wrote:

>>How long would you say to keep her in
>> for?

About 20 years!

                 ---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')
mlbriggs - 25 Jan 2006 01:37 GMT
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:18:13 -0800, guitar.is.good wrote:

> Just for hygenic reasons really (i.e keeping them off the beds etc).
> Thing is I dont want to keep on having my doors closed and slipping out
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> its just it must get a bit boring for her, but if it must be done then
> its got to be done.

If you make her an indoor only cat, you will have less (germs) to worry
about.  
she will also stay healthier and live longer.      MLB
Ivor Jones - 25 Jan 2006 09:51 GMT
[snip]

> If you make her an indoor only cat, you will have less
> (germs) to worry about.
> she will also stay healthier and live longer.      MLB

This is an old argument and not always true. I know of many indoor/outdoor
cats who have lived long and healthy lives. As an example, a friend's cat
just died a few weeks ago. She lived on a very busy road, always had the
freedom to come and go and rarely had any health problems. She was almost
19.

Ivor
guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 26 Jan 2006 15:11 GMT
Our cat is definitely going to be an outside cat that comes inside
every so often, (apparently she loves the outside according to her last
owner).  We are debating whether to put a cat flap on the door to let
her go about as she pleases.  I dont think its right keeping a cat
indoors all the time (and definitly against using anything like those
cat harnesses to occasionally take them outside)

About germs, clean environments etc cripple an immune system, exposure
to germs strengthen the immune system, add in the fresh air, exercise,
of the outside and over-exposure to things like dust etc if kept
inside, I think an outdoor cat will ultimatly be healthier / live a
more rewarding life - just my opinion btw, not saying whats right or
wrong! :)  We live in the country so she's got alot to explore, as long
as she remebers where home is...

> [snip]
>
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>
> Ivor
mlbriggs - 27 Jan 2006 06:13 GMT
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:11:09 -0800, guitar.is.good wrote:

> Our cat is definitely going to be an outside cat that comes inside
> every so often, (apparently she loves the outside according to her last
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>>
>> Ivor

Well I've lived in the "city" all my life and the squashed cats I've seen
over the years has been awful.  MLB
guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 27 Jan 2006 15:17 GMT
Yeah, I lived in a city a while back + we never got cats/dogs for that
reason, + small gardens.  But moved back to the country recently, so
took the plunge :) ones enough tho :)
Spider - 23 Jan 2006 13:42 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Any help would be most appreciated, very hapy with my cat :)

Hi,

I have read your post and Ivor's reply.  If you don't want your cat
upstairs, stick to your guns and train the critter.  I have always trained
my cats not to go upstairs for reasons of hygiene and because I don't want
them to be trapped upstairs when I'm out.  I certainly don't wish to have a
litter tray in my bedroom.

Because your cat has previously been allowed to go upstairs, your task will
be more arduous, but stick with it.  Very occasionally one of my cats will
sneak upstairs but I have developed such a conscience in them (you should
hear me in 'Sargeant Major' mode!) that they quickly obey the command to get
downstairs.

When your cat goes upstairs, find it and tell it very firmly  'go
downstairs'.  Don't carry your cat downstairs, but if it won't go of its own
accord, carry it to the head of the stairs, put it down and say 'downstairs,
now!'  You need to have the cat going downstairs on its own; if it doesn't,
how can you praise it for going downstairs?  Make sure kitty goes all the
way down and then praise it to glory.

These days, all I have to do is stand at the bottom of the stairs and call
the cat down.  As soon as I see the cat at the top of the stair, I step back
and say 'get downstairs now'.  I then stand right away from the bottom of
the stairs so the cat doesn't feel threatened.  I then usually say 'come now
and I won't be cross with you'.  Moggychops usually looks relieved and pads
swiftly downstairs!  Yes, even I'm amazed sometimes.

If your cat obeys you, don't spend the next hour reminding her she was bad.
It may work with children, but a cat simply doesn't understand and can't
cope.  Your training must be acute, so your language must reflect your
*immediate* feelings: angry when kitty is bad ... wholesome praise when
kitty is good or responds to training.  Then say no more about it until the
next episode.

As your training progresses and kitty thinks twice about going upstairs,
watch her carefully ... she will almost certainly look upstairs (maybe put a
paw on the first step) then change her mind.  When you see this, praise her
well for not going upstairs; it is a sign that your training is getting
through to her.  As you suggest, you can't practice this training by
praising her for simply being downstairs, but you can reinforce training
from downstairs by praising her when you see her respond to a training
memory.  Similarly, if she starts to go upstairs brazenly, tell her 'No.
Downstairs'  as soon as you see her go wrong.  That way you can utilize her
naughty behaviour without having to suffer her being upstairs.

If you can, avoid giving treats during training.  Some feline offenders will
learn to be naughty .. then good, just to get a treat.  This isn't helpful!
:~)

Another tip that might help:  I give my two pussies my old used pillows for
their beds.  This is a way of giving them a 'taste of upstairs' and your
scent for comfort.  Sometimes, during training, I will say 'You've got a
nice bed, don't use mine' and dump kitty in its bed.   Gradually, all these
little things add up to the sum of good behaviour.

Hope all goes well.
Spider
guitar.is.good@gmail.com - 23 Jan 2006 14:32 GMT
Thank you for you advice, very helpful indeed, I will stick to it,
thanks!! :)

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