Hi, I'm new here. I'm writing asking for someone's advice... I have a big
(well 2 big) problems with my kittens..
I have had Zeus for 10 weeks now (he's 18 weeks old) and up until Saturday
he was my only cat. It is only me here in the flat, and i felt guilty about
leaving him on his own when i went out (I can't let him outside yet as he
hasn't had his 2nd injections- the vet did them late because he was so small
and so the second lot have been delayed until next week) anyhow, I was
thinking of getting another kitten to keep him company in a few months, but
I had a phonecall from my dad on Saturday saying that one of his neighbours
cat had had kittens 7 weeks ago (his neighbour has 6) and that the neighbour
was going to destroy them. So i said to my dad i would take in a female.
Dad took in the two males, and meanwhile reported the neighbour to the
RSPCA.
So i bought Myfanwy home Saturday afternoon, and was greeted by an
absolutely furious Zeus (my little male). He has gone totally berserk about
having another cat in the house- he hisses and bites every time i pick him
up, he attacks the little on whenever he gets the chance (i.e. biting her
neck and slapping her with his paw) he runs around the house like a
demon-possessed.
I have given him lots of extra affection and time, but he still seems to
hate me and Miff. I have to keep them in separate rooms as it's not fair on
Miff to be constantly bombarded by him.
They have separate litter trays, separate feeding bowls and areas and
separate water bowls...though I did find Zeus had managed to open the living
room door where Miff is and was in here eating her food while.#
Zeus was never like this before- he was a pretty mad little thing, but never
nasty....i realise it is probably just jealousy....but i did wonder whether
anyone had any ideas of what i can do to stop world war 3 breaking out in
here....I think the neighbours must think i am torturing Zeus or something
with all the wailing and screaming he is doing..
thanks in advance
hayley
alt4 - 17 Jan 2006 15:09 GMT
Cats (in my experience) want to put down boundaries or establish who the
alpha male is. With us there was no fighting until we took a certain breed
in. Can you imagine an 11 month old fighting with a 6 year old? It may be
the breed. I'd say males and females=oil and water, but we've had only two
for years then the population explotion.

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> Hi, I'm new here. I'm writing asking for someone's advice... I have a big
> (well 2 big) problems with my kittens..
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> thanks in advance
> hayley
Spider - 18 Jan 2006 19:24 GMT
> Hi, I'm new here. I'm writing asking for someone's advice... I have a big
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> thanks in advance
> hayley
Hi Hayley,
Zeus doesn't hate you, but he is clearly bitterly hurt that you introduced
an interloper. Until now he has always been top cat. It is important that
you impress upon him that he is still top cat. Even though he is top cat,
he is not in charge - you are - and you need to regain control.
In everything you do with the cats, Zeus must be called first, fed first,
dealt with first. When you put their dinner down, say "This is Zeus's
dinner .. this is Miff's dinner". Assuming the cats sleep downstairs, say
goodnight to Zeus first, then Miff.
In order that they get to know each other, arrange an assortment of
cardboard boxes in one room, then introduce the cats: Zeus first, Miff
second. The boxes will allow them a much-needed hiding place. One cat in
hiding takes the pressure off both cats. Supervise them so that you can
intervene if things get too rough. Miff may fluff out her fur and strut
sideways, trying to look bigger than she is. This will tell you that she
feels intimidated by Zeus, so be prepared to rescue her. If Zeus attacks
her, physically or verbally, tell him off firmly. If he is either passive
or more positive toward her, praise him keenly. You may even wish to have
some treats ready for really good behaviour, or sustained passive behaviour.
Naturally, Zeus must have his treats first. There's no need to labour this
or tease Miff while he eats; simply offer treats to Zeus with praise (so he
understands why he's being treated), then offer treats to Miff with praise.
Never allow Miff to do something Zeus has never been allowed to do - cats
don't have green eyes for nothing! :-).
Don't allow Zeus to rule you because he's feeling hurt. Stand up to him,
but let him know he's wanted. Then walk away and let him work it out for
himself.
It is going to take some time for them to get used to each other, so it's
good you're able to separate them in different rooms. I hope you intend to
have both cats de-sexed. Apart from inproved health, this will also ease
their aggression.
For now, just keep plugging away at the top cat, second cat rule and keep up
with scolding bad behaviour and praising good behaviour. Things will start
to improve sooner than you think.
Good luck,
Spider
Diana - 18 Jan 2006 19:45 GMT
> Hi, I'm new here. I'm writing asking for someone's advice... I have a big
> (well 2 big) problems with my kittens..
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> thanks in advance
> hayley
Hi, Hayley. I notice you haven't gotten many responses, so I'll offer
mine:
Continue to keep them apart when you're out of the flat. Put a towel
with Miff's scent (rubbed on her fur) in his room so that he gets used
to that. Spend time alone with each cat in it's separate room when you
first get home; then let them come out together for as long as you're
there to supervise. Realize that kittens are supposed to "play fight".
Do get some fun, interactive cat toys to help focus some of Zeus' energy
elsewhere. But insofar as no one gets hurt, let them work it out.
As well as having patience and serving as referee, have Zeus neutered
absolutely as soon as your vet is willing to do it. Research and
practice both indicate that this can and should be done quite early.
Same for having Miff spayed.
Hth.

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Hayley - 19 Jan 2006 08:31 GMT
>> Hi, I'm new here. I'm writing asking for someone's advice... I have
>> a big (well 2 big) problems with my kittens..
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>> the chance (i.e. biting her neck and slapping her with his paw) he
>> runs around the house like a demon-possessed.
HI there,and thanks to those who responded to me. I thought I'd give a
mini-update on the latest situation :)
Zeus is tolerating Miff much better- He is not hissing and constantly
yowling at me and her now, and has even given her a wash! He does sometimes
forget himself and jumps on her, but i don't think he's being mean- just
trying to play.
I followed the advice about giving zeus the food first, the treats first etc
and it does seem to have had an effect even in just the few days i've been
doing it.
He prefers eating off her dish of food rather then his own (even though
there is a lovely nice bowl of his favourite in it's usual place, but i
guess it makes him seem like he's the boss, and I make sure Miff gets enough
of her share.
The vet said Zeus can be neutered around 6 months, but it depends on his
weight, as he was the runt of the litter and is small for his age (athough
he seems to be growing every day) And Mif neutered when the vet says she's
ready- I could not cope with a roving Tom or A calling Queen!!! nor do I
think it's fair to bring even more kittens into the world when so many are
so unwanted (afterall Miff was going to be drowned if I hadn't taken her in)
Thanks for the advice again
hayley
>> I have given him lots of extra affection and time, but he still
>> seems to hate me and Miff. I have to keep them in separate rooms as
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> Hth.
Spider - 19 Jan 2006 18:46 GMT
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> hayley
Hi Hayley,
I'm so glad things are improving for you all.
It's interesting that you say Zeus has even given her a wash. In the cat
world, the dominant cat licks (the mother licking its kitten, the male cat
licking its mate), so what you are seeing is Zeus displaying dominance
behaviour. In the circumstances, I would say this was a good sign. As the
two cats get to know each other and vie for dominance, you will see each cat
licking the other, or trying to .. sometimes this leads to a cat spat!
The other thing worth knowing, is that cats get to know each other by
'tasting' each others' scent through licking. You may even notice that your
cats will wash themselves after you've stroked them. They are tasting you
and acknowledging you as their person. Purrfect for bonding.
Hope you continue to enjoy your pussies. Happy catwatching.
Spider