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Cats eating Valerian

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Spider - 13 Jan 2006 16:58 GMT
Hi Everyone,

Both my cats enjoy eating my Valerian officinalis, and I have read that cats
are attracted to the plant and especially its roots.  I know that Valerian
is considered to be a health-giving herb, as far as humans are concerned,
but just how safe is it for cats?  Is there a doseage limit?  Even with
'good for you' herbs, I know it is dangerous to overdose, and want to be in
a position to prevent an accident.

N.B.  Please note that this does not refer to the other garden-worthy
'Valerian', Centranthus ruber.

Thanks for any help.
Spider
Dr.Carla,DVM - 14 Jan 2006 06:15 GMT
Valerian will have mild sedative effects and has been used short-term to
calm animals.  When used for extended periods of time, side effects include
gastrointestinal upset.  While I do not know what exact dose is considered
toxic, there are expert at the ASPCA's Animal Poison Control Center.  Their
phone number is 888-426-4435.  This is a non-profit center and does not get
any funds from donations to the ASPCA unless they are specifically intended
for the Animal Poison Control Center.  Calls about plants usually require a
$50 payment.
You can also call a animal clinic that practices holistic medicine.  You
will usually find a specialist there who may be able to give you the
information you are looking for.
Here are some links to their site:
Common outdoor plants which pose potential threats and their effects:
http://www.aspca.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=20269&security=2620&news_iv_
ctrl=1101

List of toxic plants
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pets_toxicplants

> Hi Everyone,
>
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> Thanks for any help.
> Spider
NMR - 14 Jan 2006 07:41 GMT
That is real interesting

The Greek physician Dioscorides reportedly recommended valerian for a host
of medical issues, including digestive problems, nausea, liver problems, and
even urinary tract disorders. Use of valerian for insomnia and nervous
conditions has been common for many centuries. By the 18th century, it was
an accepted sedative and was also used for nervous disorders associated with
a restless digestive tract.

http://www.kroger.com/hn/Herb/Valerian.htm#Side-Effects
http://www.personalhealthzone.com/valerian.html
http://store.yahoo.com/am-products/valerianroot.html

Valerian is a sedative in humans not cats.  Valerian is the basically the
strongest herb similar to catnip. I have been giving it to my cats for years
it drives them nuts.  If I let them get to the plant they will destroy it.
But as in all house plants a cat or cats should not be allowed to ingest any
part of it.

Valerian root is an herb with effects very similar to catnip and generally
makes cats a bit nuts. It is however not as readily available as catnip and
perhaps a bit more potent than catnip.

Catnip and Valerian both act as sedatives on humans.

http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/misc.shtml

To have an overdose of valerian a human would have to take about 40 times
the normal amount of the tablet  there is only one report case of it of a
college student trying to commit suicide by doing this all she got was an
upset stomach, hand tremors and was really tires just like a caffeine
overdose.  It is equal to a benzodiazepine reaction.  as with any herb or
drug interactions will occur and should only be administered by a health
care professional
Dr.Carla,DVM - 14 Jan 2006 14:27 GMT
Since there is conflicting information being posted here, I would recommend
not taking the advise of anyone you don't know.
Call a specialist, like the ASPCA's Animal Poison Control Center.  There are
Veterinarians who have extensive experience and are specialized in
toxicology.  I would consider them the ultimate source.

> That is real interesting
>
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> drug interactions will occur and should only be administered by a health
> care professional
NMR - 14 Jan 2006 18:51 GMT
Spider  you can spend your money if you would like or  just go to
rec.pets.cats.health+behav and PING PHIL P  he will answer all your
questions or if you can't go to the newsgroup email him from his website
http://www.maxshouse.com/Database_toc.htm
Spider - 15 Jan 2006 19:47 GMT
Thanks for your response, Dr. Carla,

I'm not taking any risks and will contact my vet.  In the meantime, I'm
putting a wire cage over the plant to limit grazing.

Spider

> Valerian will have mild sedative effects and has been used short-term to
> calm animals.  When used for extended periods of time, side effects include
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> Here are some links to their site:
> Common outdoor plants which pose potential threats and their effects:

http://www.aspca.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=20269&security=2620&news
_iv_ctrl=1101
> List of toxic plants
> http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pets_toxicplants
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> > Thanks for any help.
> > Spider
NMR - 14 Jan 2006 07:24 GMT
http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/misc.shtml
Catnip and Valerian.
Catnip is a plant that causes various reactions in cats. Very young cats and
kittens will not be affected by catnip. About 20% of cats are never affected
by catnip. It is not known why or how catnip has the effect it does on the
rest of the cat population. It is a non-addictive "recreational drug" for
cats with no known harm to the cat. There was an article in Science [exact
reference?] on the neurological effects of catnip on cats. It seems to
stimulate the same pleasure centers in the feline brain that orgasm does.
Most cats "mellow out" and become sleepy and happy, others start acting very
kittenish. A small percentage will become possessive of their catnip and may
snap or hiss at you.
You can find wild catnip plants in most weedy areas, and harvest the seed.
Or you can buy seed from companies like Burpees or Parks or Northrup King --  
most garden centers have catnip seed this time of year -- check the "herb"
section. Or even seed racks in the grocery and discount stores.

Catnip is easy to grow. You will need to keep the plant itself out of the
reach of the cats as catnip-lovers will quickly destroy it. The best
strategy is to get some growing, and then pinch and prune it regularly and
give the harvested leaves to your cat. Keep it in its own pot, as it will
spread rapidly. Cats will tend to dig up transplanted catnip and eat it
roots and all, but are much gentler on plants started from seed. The leaves
have to be bruised to release the odor, and transplanting seems to be enough
bruising...

Nepeta cataria is the common catnip; other Nepeta species have varying
amounts of "active ingredient". A good one is Nepeta mussini, a
miniature-leaved catnip that makes a good rockgarden plant. Nepeta is a
genus of the Lamiaceae (=Labiatae), the mint family. There are about 250
species of catnip, plus a bunch of hybrids between species. Only about 10
are available in this country, though.

You can order seeds from Burpee (215-674-9633)
Nepeta cataria B61424 $1.25; N. mussinii B38828 $1.45

Valerian root is an herb with effects very similar to catnip and generally
makes cats a bit nuts. It is however not as readily available as catnip and
perhaps a bit more potent than catnip.

Catnip and Valerian both act as sedatives on humans.
NMR - 14 Jan 2006 07:53 GMT
Spider which one are you actually talking about

this is the 'Valerian', Centranthus ruber   Centranthus ruber 'Albus' also
known as red valerian or white jupiter's beard
Drunken Sailor, Fox's Brush, and Pretty Betsy
http://www.highcountrygardens.com/31650.html  this one I can find no info on
poisons about just being a evasive weed I would treat it as toxic

this is Valerian officinalis of the one with white flowers
http://www.indianspringherbs.com/valerian.htm
http://www.shamanshop.net/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/45638.0/CategoryID/9000.0/
SubCatID/0.0/file.htm

this is the safe one that you can buy over the counter and I posted some
information about in below

I am surprised that your cats don't get a little wacky on it

Matthew
Spider - 15 Jan 2006 19:50 GMT
> Spider which one are you actually talking about
>
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> this is Valerian officinalis of the one with white flowers
> http://www.indianspringherbs.com/valerian.htm

http://www.shamanshop.net/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/45638.0/CategoryID/900
0.0/SubCatID/0.0/file.htm
> this is the safe one that you can buy over the counter and I posted some
> information about in below
>
> I am surprised that your cats don't get a little wacky on it
>
> Matthew

Hi Matthew,

Thanks for both your replies.

Sorry, I thought I'd made it fairly clear that I was not discussing
Centranthus ruber.  However, thanks for coming back and checking.  I
wouldn't risk my cats' health over a misunderstanding.

Spider
 
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