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John Fiegel - 08 Dec 2005 02:33 GMT Hi I adopted a stray from the shelter in August. Mooki is about 11 months; she's fixed and is overall a good cat. I read one of the other posts about the aggressive trait. She wants to hand-wrestle on a daily basis but I've grown tired of going to work with scratches all over my hand. Nevertheless, she still tries. I guess that repeatedly refusing will eventually drive the message home.
She also likes to chew on anything lying around. She fished an empty paper towel roll out of the garbage and is contentedly chewing it up as I'm typing. She chews on rubber bands, earplugs, newspapers, bubble wrap, whatever I leave lying around that she can sink her teeth into. And this is only what I see. I don't know what she's chewing on when I'm not home. She *always* has food out; usually 2 kinds so she has a choice. If this was a dog, a rawhide chew toy would be a good idea. Is there any recommended chew product for a cat? Any other suggestions? Somehow I don't think paper towel rolls are good for her.:)
Thanks John
Upscale - 08 Dec 2005 03:28 GMT "John Fiegel" <jfiegel@cwnet.com> wrote in message
> about the aggressive trait. She wants to hand-wrestle on a daily basis > but I've grown tired of going to work with scratches all over my hand. > Nevertheless, she still tries. I guess that repeatedly refusing will > eventually drive the message home. It may depend on the personality of the cat, but I believe I've hand wrestled the tendency to wrestle out of my cat, at least most of it. 6-7 months old when I first got her, she was wrestling all the time. Being the masochist that I am, I'd giggle hysterically and wrestle her back even more. It's reached the point now at 9 months old that she rarely wrestles the same way because she knows she's going to get back more than she gives. She still runs scampers around at 90mph like any kitten, but there's no more of the going berserk on my hand when I grab her.
Spider - 09 Dec 2005 13:27 GMT > "John Fiegel" <jfiegel@cwnet.com> wrote in message > > about the aggressive trait. She wants to hand-wrestle on a daily basis [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > runs scampers around at 90mph like any kitten, but there's no more of the > going berserk on my hand when I grab her. Hi John and Upscale,
This is a lovely trait in a young cat!, but I - as Upscale has done - have almost wrestled my Panther out of the tendency, or at least the tendency to bite and scratch hard. We both still love a 'bite fight', but she is gentler and cools off much more quickly now.
John, you mention rawhide chews for dogs. As far as I'm concerned, they're not exclusively for dogs. I am with my second cat who chews and demolishes doggy chews. I buy her the pencil-thin twisty chews that are about 10cm (5") long. Shandy (now dead, sadly) chomped on them as they were, but Cheetah only accepts one after I've rinsed it briefly under the hot tap to moisten and soften it. Later, I find it just a third long .. later still, not at all! Oddly enough, she's the gentler of the two cats, so it's not aggression chewing. Not all cats, as I have implied, like rawhide chews but they're not expensive (here in UK, 25p for 5 chews), so I think it may be worth you looking out for a similar cat-sized chew.
Do let us know how you get on. Spider
alt4 - 10 Dec 2005 15:46 GMT Hi John, Like Upscale and Spider I wrestle, giving more than the kitten. My wife on the other hand is kind of subordinate. I'd like to say it's a phase, but the males fight harder with each other (bite). Right now Ornery our kitten is neck and neck with Nightshade our 4 year old.
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> >> "John Fiegel" <jfiegel@cwnet.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Do let us know how you get on. > Spider DL Farnworth - 11 Dec 2005 22:34 GMT This "arm wrestling" is a trick we try not to encourage.
We got one of our guys from someone who liked to "play" with her while wearing a welding glove. She was practically impossible to handle. It took 6 months to stop the grabbing, the slashing and the biting.
I like the idea of the chews though. Gilbert likes to chew on cardboard: paper towel tubes and the big box that serves the others as a secret passageway. So there's bits of cardboard everywhere.
John Fiegel - 17 Dec 2005 22:54 GMT Hi all Thanks for responding I bought some dog chews, both chicken and beef, but she turned her nose up at them. I tried soaking them in chicken broth to soften them up and maybe make them more appealing but no dice. I'll try something else.
I get the picture that this arm wrestling is not a good idea for all involved. Question is how to break the habit. When she starts to chew on my thumb or wrist (usually the indication she wants to wrestle), do I just pull my hand back and ignore her -or- do I quickly 'out wrestle' her so she knows it's no-win situation? Is there another option? She most definitely wants to keep this up, but she gave me a 2-inch slash on my palm today so this behavior needs to stop.
John
> This "arm wrestling" is a trick we try not to > encourage. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that serves the others as a secret passageway. So > there's bits of cardboard everywhere. Spider - 18 Dec 2005 11:09 GMT > Hi all > Thanks for responding [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > John Hi John,
It's a great pity the chews didn't work. I hope you find something that suits her. Whatever you do, don't think that you can engage her mouth by giving her something nice to eat. It's probably already obvious to you, but this will only tell her that you're treating her for biting you!
When my cats bite during wrestling, I put my hand in their mouth, and wedge it hard into the back of their open jaw. This is the last thing they expect. They can't bite and, done early enough and often enough, they learn that I'm always going to win. We now have gentle bite fights. A previous cat was trained this way so effectively that when suffering painfully at the vet, he only gave the vet a gentle warning bite. The warning was heeded. Incidentally, I also trained a hamster this way; that saved another vet from a painful bite. It really can work.
Alas, you and your cat have probably gone beyond this point. Your cat is using its full armoury, hence your painful hand. It isn't going to be easy, or immediate, to turn this behaviour around, so you will have to be persistent and patient. Worth it, I think.
When your cat 'attacks' you, say NO very loudly and firmly. Let her see that you're cross with her. Then, depending on the strength of her reaction, either just ignore her or shut her in a safe room (maybe the room she spends the night, so she has her litter tray) for a while. This should teach her that you don't appreciate her behaviour *and* that she'll be ignored if she even tries to hurt you. This gives me an idea: is it possible that, being a man, you endeavoured to conceal your hurt when first wrestling with her? This would have sent her the message that she couldn't hurt you, and that she could be as rough as she liked. If this is the case, you will now need to be a bit more wimpish with her. She needs to know when she's hurting you; she may not even mean to hurt as much as she does.
Alongside the 'No and ignoring/confinement' treatment, praise her like crazy when she's gentle and docile or, indeed, does anything right. She will very quickly learn your two different reactions to her behaviour and, hopefully, will choose to behave well.
Cat wrestling is not all bad. Cats and people enjoy it considerably. Use it to your advantage, however, and respond to more aggressive (painful!) bites/scratches by saying "No. Be gentle". All my cats have learned the "gentle" word and know when to calm down. We still really enjoy our gentle bite fights.
Hope this is of some help. Now: go and tell your cat who's in charge! :~) Spider
DL Farnworth - 19 Dec 2005 23:36 GMT :...how to break the habit. When she starts to chew on : my thumb or wrist (usually the indication she wants to wrestle), do I : just pull my hand back and ignore her -or- do I quickly 'out wrestle' : her so she knows it's no-win situation? ... You can try outwrestling but you're probably going to be sorry. None of our guys seems to think in win/no win terms. Mostly they're "Ha ha ha! I am Ultralord!"/"Oh my god, get me out of here!"
I squeeze them gently but firmly. I also stop moving the affected part (the one in the Talons of Steel) and say "No," also firmly. Except when Pee Wee reaches up exuberantly from the cat perch and gets me in the small of the back with one sharp needle. Then I yell. But then I explain very gently what I didn't like and coax him out from under the table.
I tried the chews too but Gilbert, who has just discovered that he can chew wrapped presents under the tree without being observed, has chewed them meditatively only once or twice.
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