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Allan Mooney - 10 Nov 2005 23:25 GMT
Hi All
   I've just joined the newsgroup, nice to be amongst fellow cat lovers! I
have a cat that i got when he was failry younf (about 3 months), have had
him now for only a couple of months, however i have noticed the cat becoming
more and more agressive towards myself, my girlfriend and just about anyone
who comes into the house! He will be ok for a while, he's up on your
knee..purring away and you're stroking him, then suddenly he'll just turn
into a stinker of a mood and attack you and can bite and scratch pretty
painfully (my hands are covered in scratches). We have not yet had him
neutered as he's not quite at the 6 month mark...has anyone else had this
experience...and if so did neutering work?

Apart from these attacks he's a great cat (attached a pic of him) just
wondering how i get him to stop!

Thanks
Allan
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Upscale - 11 Nov 2005 10:48 GMT
"Allan Mooney" <allan.mooney1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> He will be ok for a while, he's up on your
> knee..purring away and you're stroking him, then suddenly he'll just turn
> into a stinker of a mood and attack you and can bite and scratch pretty
> painfully (my hands are covered in scratches). We have not yet had him
> neutered as he's not quite at the 6 month mark...has anyone else had this
> experience...and if so did neutering work

How old is the cat now? Sounds a little bit like my cat. I adopted her at
six months and for about a month, she was doing what you've described, all
friendly and then turn into playfully biting and scratching. It only lasted
a month though and now she rarely bites at all and doesn't fight very much
anymore. Depending on the age of your cat, I'd wait awhile to see if it
passes. And yes, neutering can change a cat's personality, but again, I'd
still wait awhile.

It might also be the way one plays with the cat too. I liked 'wrestling'
with my cat. I'd be laughing hysterically while she was tearing my hand to
shreds, but now it's getting increasingly difficulty to get her to wrestle,
she tries to take off instead. Almost all the time now, she's climbing all
over me especially when I'm in the kitchen and trying to mooch some food
from me.
Allan Mooney - 11 Nov 2005 13:12 GMT
Hey there
           Thanks for the advice, he's just over 5 months old now, i do
play 'wrestle' with him now and then, maybew i should cut this out, sounds
like my cat too at mealtimes, catfood cant be that great if they're always
after ours!

Allan
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> "Allan Mooney" <allan.mooney1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> over me especially when I'm in the kitchen and trying to mooch some food
> from me.
shortfuse - 11 Nov 2005 13:35 GMT
I read that if you wrestle with your cat while they are young, this will
carry over as an adult cat. Ornery is 7 months old and very aggressive told
the older cats. He, also, is constantly eating...A friend says...He 's a
growing cat! Ornery eats more than I do!

> Hey there
>            Thanks for the advice, he's just over 5 months old now, i do
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>> over me especially when I'm in the kitchen and trying to mooch some food
>> from me.
Catlover Medway - 11 Nov 2005 12:46 GMT
Useful link below, Allan. Cats can become increasingly stimulated as the
petting goes on, so watch the body language. When your cat is purring and, as
he looks at you, he blinks slowly, this is calm acceptance and all is well
(by the way, always blink back at him). As soon as his tail starts moving
(even if he's still purring), this a sign either that he's becoming uneasy or
he's going into predatory mode. At this point keep hands away and engage in
predatory play using a feather, a fishing rod toy or throw a rolled-up piece
of paper. You'll need to register to interrogate FAB's site, but this is
quick and easy.

http://www.fabcats.org/nervous-aggression.html

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>    I've just joined the newsgroup, nice to be amongst fellow cat lovers! I
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>Thanks
>Allan
Allan Mooney - 11 Nov 2005 13:14 GMT
Hi Catlover
               Thanks for the link, i'll have a look at it when i have a
bit more time. I have started to recognise they signs he might be about to
attack and will play with his rolled up ball of til foil (which he loves) or
his feather stick for a while until he's too tired to attack me!

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> Useful link below, Allan. Cats can become increasingly stimulated as the
> petting goes on, so watch the body language. When your cat is purring and,
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>>Thanks
>>Allan
studio - 14 Nov 2005 04:33 GMT
Exactly right.
The cat becomes over-stimulated by over-petting, and you can tell by
the body language
or even facial expressions.
Give kitty and your scratched-up hands a break.
Let kitty rough play or take out aggression with toys made specially
for them.
Spider - 11 Nov 2005 13:53 GMT
> Hi All
>     I've just joined the newsgroup, nice to be amongst fellow cat lovers! I
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> www.allanmooney.com
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Hi Allan,

As Upscale said, it could simply be the way you're petting him.  Some cats
don't like their ears touched - others love it.  Some don't like their tail
or belly touched - others love it.  One of my cats liked nothing better than
to be comprehensively handled and petted then, suddenly (although I got to
learn the signals), he would disdain all handling and in his own very gentle
feline way say "Stop pawing me, woman - I want to snooze!"

Try and take note of what triggers your cat's change in behaviour.  Is it
where you touch him?  Does he simply want you to stop now?  Could he be
jealous of your girlfriend?   If it's just cussedness, be cussed back.  As
soon as he "attacks", tell him firmly "No";  say you don't like his bad
behaviour and toss him on the floor unceremoniously.  Cats love their own
sense of ceremony - he will undoubtedly get your message.  If he tries to
jump back on your lap, refuse him and repeat that you don't want to be
bitten/scratched.  Next time he wants to sit with you, let him come, and
just see how he behaves.  If he's naughty, put him down again.  He sounds
like a really affectionate cat who wants to be with you *up to a point*.
Try the above approach and see if his behaviour responds.  However, if
you're simply irritating him with too much stroking, be prepared to modify
*your* behaviour a little.  You're in charge, of course, but the biggest
rule for living together (with another person, let alone another animal) is
*compromise*.

It is good that he is close to neutering; it will certainly calm him down.
In your position, I would ring the vet and ask if it's possible to bring the
neutering forward, due to kitty's aggressive behaviour.  The vet may well
agree.  Either way, keep up the training.  Apart from anything else, this
will tell kitty that you are in control.

Once things have calmed down a bit, carefully try overhandling kitty once in
a while.  Use these occasions, along with the earlier behavioural training,
to get kitty used to being handled.  This will make vetinary handling a
great deal less stressful for you, kitty and the vet.

Good luck,
Spider
Dr.Carla,DVM - 14 Nov 2005 19:36 GMT
I've wrestled with my one cat since she was a very small kitten and she is
the friendliest cat ever, wouldn't bite you if her life depended on it.
On the other hand, I do have a kitty with one of those "on-off" switches.
Usually, its off, she comes around and wants to be petted, or even rubs
herself against you if you don't reach out and pet her soon enough.  But
then, for what appears to be no reason other than something "flipped her
switch" she'll turn around and put her mouth on you.  I've just learned to
be very watchful when I pet her and be quick when it seems the switch might
get thrown into the "on" position.
FYI, I've had this 2nd cat since my "sweet as pie" cat gave birth to her, so
I can confidently say she has never been mistreated in any way shape or
form.

> Hi All
>    I've just joined the newsgroup, nice to be amongst fellow cat lovers! I
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> Thanks
> Allan
BarB - 29 Nov 2005 16:51 GMT
>Hi All
>    I've just joined the newsgroup, nice to be amongst fellow cat lovers! I
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>neutered as he's not quite at the 6 month mark...has anyone else had this
>experience...and if so did neutering work?

Standard advice among rescue groups where we deal with this
frequently is:
1) Never let a kitten engage in hand wrestling, keep a toy or feather
wand handy.
2) Be alert for signals ( ears and eyes) that the cat has been over
stimulated by petting and may play attack. Try to time it and stop
before the kitten gets to this point.
3) If the cat attacks, go very still and squeal OUCH! THAT HURTS!.
They frequently will stop, give you a worried look and lick your
hand.:)  This is one lesson most kittens learn from their litter
mates and is one good reason not to adopt before 12 weeks.

BarB

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