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Cat Forum / General Topics / September 2003Blood in Urine.... :(
Hi everyone, I came downstairs this afternoon to find our cat (Harry) sitting on top of a pile of papers that had been left on the sideboard in the kitchen. As I came in I noticed that Harry was leaning slightly forward. Upon closer inspection we found that he had left about a tablespoon full of urine on top of the papers (gas bill to be precise, lol) and in the middle of the urine was a streak of blood almost. It hadnt mixed in with the urine, it was more a strand of blood sitting in the middle of this urine. We cleared it up and in the meantime Harry had gone back outside. He infact, had gone back outside and sat in some plants in the exact same position we found him sitting on top of the papers. He looked like he was trying to pee again, however, after he moved off we couldnt see anything. We are now really worried about him and he is going to the vet tomorrow morning. On an off-note, a stray cat that we have seen around where we live has started to visit us alot in the last month and has become very friendly to the point where he will actually spend most of his day in our garden. Harry seems to get on ok with him/her. However we are worried that this cat may have passed some kind of bug/disease onto Harry :( Is this possible?? If not what do you guys think maybe wrong with poor Harry?? We are very worried about him and are keeping a close eye on him although he seems normal in his self at the moment..... TIA -Wills Hi, I think your cat will be OK, nearly every case of blood in the urine is just caused by a simple bladder infection that can be cleared up with antibiotics. :Hi everyone, :I came downstairs this afternoon to find our cat (Harry) sitting on top of a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] :TIA :-Wills bladder infection or the bullshit in thier food. You feeding canned wet food? Cheap dry food? Apparently there is high ash content and it's causing cats worldwide to get crystals and if not taken care of, i.e. they can't urinate, they will die. Very expensive to fix. I'm going to be talking with my lawyer, as this seems like it needs dealt with. All of a sudden I am hearing of dozens of people with the same problem. Really does sound like the food companies need to be 'checked'. > Hi everyone, > I came downstairs this afternoon to find our cat (Harry) sitting on top of a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > TIA > -Wills we feed him canned wet food..... > bladder infection or the bullshit in thier food. > You feeding canned wet food? [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > TIA > > -Wills I would stop. He also needs antibiotics for crytstals or infection. > we feed him canned wet food..... > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > > TIA > > > -Wills William said: > we feed him canned wet food..... > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >>>TIA >>>-Wills I would continue with the wet food, and feed him as little dry food as possible. What brand of canned food are you feeding him? Another idea is to make sure he has plenty of water available to drink. Placing a water bowl in each room can help alot as water intake helps this quite a bit. We hardly ever feed him dry food and the canned food we feed him varys between 'Felix' & 'Whiskas'. We have phoned all the vets around us and there are no emergency vets on call tonight :'( Im outta ideas, im so worried about him. Its just gone 11pm here and from what you guys have said im worried he wont make it through the night :( At the moment he is asleep in his favourite place in the kitchen with plenty of water on hand. Ive just been down to check on him again and he seems ok and almost a little annoyed at me disturbing him. Gave him a stroke though and he started purring straight away. Apart from making sure hes got lots of water and thats hes comfortable is there anything else i can do/watch out for?? From a very worried owner..... -Wills :'( > William said: > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > to make sure he has plenty of water available to drink. Placing a water > bowl in each room can help alot as water intake helps this quite a bit. William said: > We hardly ever feed him dry food and the canned food we feed him varys > between 'Felix' & 'Whiskas'. We have phoned all the vets around us and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > From a very worried owner..... > -Wills :'( It's good that you feed him mostly canned food. How long is it until your vet appointment tomorrow? How often has he been visiting the litter box to urinate? What I would watch for is him entering the box often and doing nothing when trying to urinate. Also watch for him straining or crying out when trying to urinate. It is possible that he could urinate elsewhere - other than the box - if their is a problem. For example when my cat had a problem he entered and left the box several times in the same minute getting in the position without doing anything. If Harry is not doing any of this stuff or hasn't repeated what happened earlier. He is probably ok until the morning. Just keep an eye on him. Trying to get him to drink water or even eat canned food can help as well. rrb. P.s. my email address is valid if you should want to continue this via e-mail. Rich The vets appointment is first thing in the morning (as soon as the place opens). Unfortunately its hard to keep an eye on him when he needs the loo, he doesnt have a cat litter box, he always goes outside to do his buisness. When we ate dinner though he seemed pretty normal and was constantly doing his usual thing of sitting by my leg and clawing me for food. He also wasnt constanly going in and out as though he needed the loo. Im about to go downstairs now and check on him..... -Wills > William said: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Rich Again the canned food is the f.cking problem causing the crystals. Not only has everyone's vet confirmed this, but everyone I talked to has been feeding them wet canned food. So far, not one person feeding dry. There is a high ash content in the wet food and even some cheap dry foods. > William said: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Rich > Again > the canned food is the f.cking problem causing the crystals. > Not only has everyone's vet confirmed this, but everyone I talked to has > been feeding them wet canned food. > So far, not one person feeding dry. > There is a high ash content in the wet food and even some cheap dry foods. Your research sounds as reliable as town gossip. I would be interested to see any actual research you have seen that supports your belief. A cat being fed any artificial food (especially a dry food diet) which by their very nature are highly processed and devoid of any fresh ingredients, is about as far away from a cat's natural diet as can be. There is a high correlation between cats being fed dry food and renal failure and, unfortunately, by the time renal problems are detected it is too late to reverse. Troy. >We hardly ever feed him dry food and the canned food we feed him varys >between 'Felix' & 'Whiskas'. We have phoned all the vets around us and If you can afford a better canned food, I suggest you switch. Look for something that has meat as 3 of the top 5 ingredients. Look out for companies that list grains twice (ie. corn gluten and corn flour), avoid their food altogether. Some of the best canned food brands that are available everywhere are Iams, Nutro, and even Science Diet. >there are no emergency vets on call tonight :'( Im outta ideas, im so >worried about him. Its just gone 11pm here and from what you guys have said >im worried he wont make it through the night :( At the moment he is asleep He's probably going to be ok for the night, dont' worry too much. >purring straight away. Apart from making sure hes got lots of water and >thats hes comfortable is there anything else i can do/watch out for?? You're doing fine. You might want to ignore the guy posting against canned food, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Cheers. Let us know how it goes at the vet tomorrow.  SignatureVictor M. Martinez martiv@FAKE.che.utexas.edu http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv > >We hardly ever feed him dry food and the canned food we feed him varys > >between 'Felix' & 'Whiskas'. We have phoned all the vets around us and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > He's probably going to be ok for the night, dont' worry too much. What are you psychic? If the cat can't urinate, he is NOT O.K. and needs immediate treatment. > >purring straight away. Apart from making sure hes got lots of water and > >thats hes comfortable is there anything else i can do/watch out for?? > > You're doing fine. You might want to ignore the guy posting against canned > food, he doesn't know what he's talking about. O.K., you are right and a hundred f.cking vets are wrong. Funny, but I have talked with several dozen people whose cats have not had the crystal problem in years after switching to the proper dry food. I had heard of some cats not making it, too. Those people didn't listen to their vet. It's prett simple, kinda like toching the stove when you were a kid. Whatever works, and I know for a fact the correct dry food works. > Cheers. Let us know how it goes at the vet tomorrow. He has to urinate, as it will poison him if he doesn't go. Try putting a gentle pressure on his bladder, as that is what the vet does to get samples and it works. > We hardly ever feed him dry food and the canned food we feed him varys > between 'Felix' & 'Whiskas'. We have phoned all the vets around us and [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > to make sure he has plenty of water available to drink. Placing a water > > bowl in each room can help alot as water intake helps this quite a bit. > He has to urinate, as it will poison him if he doesn't go. > Try putting a gentle pressure on his bladder, as that is what the vet does > to get samples and it works. DO NOT DO THIS - Pressure on a blocked bladder or a bladder with any sort of infection can cause major and possibly fatal damage to a bladder and/or urinary tract. With all due respect, unless you are sure about the advice you are giving you should be very careful about giving people advice. Troy. When they eat wet food, they don't drink as much period. Also, the wet fodd is the freaking cuase of crystals. I am finding hundreds of people who have the same problems and I'm talking with my lawyer about it next week. > William said: > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > to make sure he has plenty of water available to drink. Placing a water > bowl in each room can help alot as water intake helps this quite a bit. >When they eat wet food, they don't drink as much period. Because they don't have to! Duh! Wet food provides most of the water they need. Just like they would in the wild. >Also, the wet fodd is the freaking cuase of crystals. Wrong. You might wan to read a little bit before expressing your opinions. I'd start here, it has a great analysis of feline nutrition: http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm >I am finding hundreds of people who have the same problems and I'm talking >with my lawyer about it next week. Yeah, go ahead and talk to your lawyer. SignatureVictor M. Martinez martiv@FAKE.che.utexas.edu http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv Nutrician has nothing to do with obvious crap in the food they are selling. > >When they eat wet food, they don't drink as much period. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Yeah, go ahead and talk to your lawyer. Don't pay any attention to Tom. If he had any credibility at all he would not find it necessary to use the "F" word to stress his point. Ash is NOT an ingredient of any pet food. It is the residue that is left after the food is completely burned. Magnesium is a bigger culprit in the formation of crystals. The water that cats drink after eating dry food goes into their feces. The water in the canned food (usually between 70 and 75 percent) goes mostly into their urine. Unless a vet is primarily a cat vet, he may not be up on cat nutrition. -MIKE > bladder infection or the bullshit in thier food. > You feeding canned wet food? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > problem. > Really does sound like the food companies need to be 'checked'. OK - I have to ask about the validity of this comment. both the cat and dog have ongoing urine problems. both are fed Science diet dry food. the cat gets a mix of the hairball diet formula and the lamb/rice formula for flavor, the dog was the chicken/rice formula for large breeds, but since June has been on the Science prescription W/D because of ongoing crystals in her urine. For Sabrina - she had a bad case of pee'ing in the house about 2 yrs ago and we had her at the vet and on antibiotics for about a month before she stopped the house pee'ing and felt better. We learned at that time she's also intolerant to one of the antibiotics the vet prescribed - it made her even sicker. For Chloe (the dog)- we've only had her since last january. In May we started having a problem with someone pee'ing in the house. First suspicion was Sabrina - sure enough a trip to the vet had crystal in the urine. Treated for UTI, but the pee'ing in the house did not stop. I took the dog in after I caught her red handed one day - and sure enough, crystals in her urine. 2.5 months of treatment w/ antibiotics and switching foor. We are now at the point of needing another urinalisis again to see if there are still crystals. If the food is the culprit - what manufacture doesn't have the crap in it? I'll try something different. > If the food is the culprit - what manufacture doesn't have the crap > in it? I'll try something different. If you're having a lot of problems with the ingredients in commercial foods, you might want to look into a raw diet; it's considered to be the best, as it's the closest thing to how they eat in the wild. There are probably different sites with info on the web - the one Victor recommended used to have recipes up, now you have to call for them, but I have a couple if anyone wants them, and there's still a lot of great info there - and apparently there are forums that help you get started on this. I've been told it's not very expensive, once you've gotten all the vitamins and things to add to the meat, which last for ages. I'm definitely planning on switching myself in the near future. But barring that, it only makes since that wet is the best, because it's closest to how they eat in the wild, meat with moisture already in it (and, as Victor pointed out, that is why they don't drink as much, since they don't have to, because they're getting the moisture from their food, as they do in the wild from their prey). If in doubt, a combo diet is good - I've started giving wet morning and night, and leaving the dry out for them in between - but I wouldn't feel comfortable going with just dry anymore after all I've learned, and after making the common sense connection with their natural diet in the wild. Just try and get the highest quality food you can find, with more meat and less cereals. Ann -- http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak >> If the food is the culprit - what manufacture doesn't have the crap >> in it? I'll try something different. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > lot of great info there - and apparently there are forums that help > you get started on this. Just checked one of the other cat groups, and here are the forums shared with me: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felinefuturediet/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawCats/ Ann -- http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak > Hi everyone, > I came downstairs this afternoon to find our cat (Harry) sitting on top of a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > TIA > -Wills If he trys to pee and doesn't he is most likely partially blocked or blocked. He might have a bladder infection as well. But the blood in the urine is a bad sign. He needs to see a vet NOW. This is an emergency situation and cannot wait until tomorrow. This can be life threatening. You need to go to an emergency vet or the nearest vet ASAP. Good luck. I hope Harry is ok. Keep us updated. rrb he is correct. let us know what the problem was and possibly strike up the idea of joining together against the cat food companies. > > Hi everyone, > > I came downstairs this afternoon to find our cat (Harry) sitting on top of a [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > rrb Tom said: >>>Hi everyone, >>>I came downstairs this afternoon to find our cat (Harry) sitting on top [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > he is correct. > let us know what the problem was and possibly strike up the idea of joining > together against the cat food companies. What do you mean he is correct? Are you talking about the OP or me? The only thing you were correct about is seeing a vet immediately. > Tom said: > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > What do you mean he is correct? Are you talking about the OP or me? Take him to the vet NOW!!! It's a matter of life or death. Don't delay please. SignatureVictor M. Martinez martiv@FAKE.che.utexas.edu http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv However > we are worried that this cat may have passed some kind of bug/disease > onto Harry :( Is this possible?? If not what do you guys think > maybe wrong with poor Harry?? We are very worried about him and are > keeping a close eye on him although he seems normal in his self at > the moment..... Hi, William, Of course, this is possible, even if he's had his shots, because they don't make him 100% immune (and there are one or two things they can't vaccinate for), but it is more than likely it's a urinary infection of some sort. I, too, think he'll be fine til morning, but I'm glad you're getting him in first thing....well, actually, you've probably already gotten him in by now, so I'm a bit late in that comment! Do let us know what you find out, though, and I'll be praying and hoping that all turns out for the best. His diet sounds okay, though he may need a higher quality wet. However, I must admit to feeding Whiskas pouches myself at the moment cuz they love it, and we're broke, but I'm planning on going to a raw diet as soon as possible, because, even though they're healthy, I feel guilty that they're probably not getting the best, and don't want them to suffer the consequences in the long run. Anyway, all the best with Harry, do let us know how you get on! Warmest Wishes, Ann -- http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak So, what did the vet say? > Hi everyone, > I came downstairs this afternoon to find our cat (Harry) sitting on top of a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > TIA > -Wills |
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