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Cat Forum / General Topics / October 2005time to part with our cat...euthanasia?
Hi, We have two cats, one 9, other 5. We recently moved to Massachusetts and the older cat seemed okay for a month or two but now is using the entire house as a toilet (not grooming either). With a 20 month child and desire to have another it has come to the point where the cat must go (my wife is susceptible to the toxoplacimia ?) We keep the litter clean, it is on the main floor in our bathroom so obviously we are careful to keep it spotless. We have taken the cat to the vet for tests, assuming those come back clear (they did 4 months ago) then perhaps it is the environment and possibly since my wife no longer spends most of her time working from home. So the question is how to euthanase our cat. It is a sad state of affairs, and I dont particularly want to drop her off at an animal shelter, I would rather see her to the end - my responsibility. Can I ask (any) vet, 'will you euthanse our cat' with a sedative first? I assume they will push back with questions, can anyone a recommend an humane but understanding vet we can use south of Boston in Massachusetts? thanks You shouldnt put healthy cats to sleep just because of inconvenience or otherwise...Try to find homes for them... Ask your vet about his toilet and grooming problems to see if there is a medical reason for this...I hate to see 2 cats put to sleep when there is no need to medically. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > thanks "shortfuse" <bpolans@horizonview.net> wrote in message > You shouldnt put healthy cats to sleep just because of inconvenience or > otherwise...Try to find homes for them... > Ask your vet about his toilet and grooming problems to see if there is a > medical reason for this...I hate to see 2 cats put to sleep when there is no > need to medically. But there is a reason. With a baby crawling all over the place putting everything it can find in its mouth, cleanliness is a priority and a baby comes before any cat. Agreed, have the cat checked out by a vet and surely try to find another home for it, but barring a solution making sure that the home stays free of cat pee and poop all over the place, I'd have the cat put down. There isn't any question here. I am not saying baby's welfare isnt important...but try to find homes first for the pets. Just like humans! If you had an elderly parent who was incontinent, and was doing what the cat was...would you put them down? Please find another home,first...after the vets diagnosis. > "shortfuse" <bpolans@horizonview.net> wrote in message >> You shouldnt put healthy cats to sleep just because of inconvenience or [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > put > down. There isn't any question here. >You shouldnt put healthy cats to sleep just because of inconvenience or >otherwise...Try to find homes for them... >Ask your vet about his toilet and grooming problems to see if there is a >medical reason for this...I hate to see 2 cats put to sleep when there is no >need to medically. That is part of the problem with the world today. If something does not go right dispose of it. Don't try to find out what is wrong but just get rid of it. I see it all to often where I am and at times it just get the best of a person. We have lost 2 of our precious furbabies in the last year and would give anything to have them back in good health and others are asking for ways to kill their healthy babies. I hope their new human baby does not ever make a mess or they might do the same to it!! >I have a beautiful white persian kitten that I love very much. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Has anyone else been through this? It has been over an year I tried >and tried and tried because I love him so much but it is draining. Have you tryed a new box ?? Not the litter in it but the box. Sometimes if the box is used it can hold smells also. Does it do it everytime it goes or just sometimes ?? I have one that get to closed to the edge at times and does her job over the side of the litter box so I put a carpet sample under the box on the carpet . Have you tryed a cover box ?? To me it sounds like you may have other problems with the cat and if so it might be netter for the cat for you to find it a good and loving home. Reason I save that is because of this paragraph you put in: >He has destroyed a lot of what I worked for, lether couch, chair, >clothes, etc. This sounds like there are other issues then the litter box problem. http://members.aol.com/larrystark/ http://members.aol.com/larrystark/strays.htm It is alleged that timasmith@hotmail.com claimed: > We have two cats, one 9, other 5. We recently moved to Massachusetts > and the older cat seemed okay for a month or two but now is using the > entire house as a toilet (not grooming either). If the vet tests come back that the cat is healthy, put the cat up for adoption by someone else. Killing a healthy animal merely because it's become an inconvenience is just cruel, especially when there are other options. btw, where in MA are you? If you're in shouting distance of Brookline, I know of two good cat vets. If you're in shouting distance of Ayer, I know of two vets that were recommended to me (I haven't been to either yet, my new cat hasn't yet needed a trip to the vet).  SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "Get out of my head." (Cmdr. Sinclair, B5 "Mind War") Putting an cat down just because they are doing that is a spoiled selfish reason even with a new baby in the house . Give the cat up for adoption their are plenty of cat rescue groups out there or at least take them to a shelter and give them a fightning chance and by the way they only way your wife would get that is by handling bare handed the cats feces and it takes more than one incident. Below are MA animal rescue groups I took the time to do this PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO SAVE YOUR PET http://www.hsar.org/ http://www.allpetsrescue.org/ Animal Rescue League Of Boston 10 Chandler, Boston, MA 02116 (617) 426-9170 http://www.arlboston.org Milton Animal League Governor Stoughton L, Milton, MA 02186 (617) 698-0413 Northeast Animal Shelter To Shelter, Spay Or Neuter, and Place Homeless Dogs And Cats In Permanent Homes. 204 Highland Avenue, Salem, MA 01970 (978) 745-9888 http://www.northeastanimalshelter.org Pat Brody Shelter for Cats The Pat Brody Shelter for Cats is a 501(c)3 tax-exempt, non-profit, no-kill shelter. We, through our volunteers, rescue stray and abandoned cats and k Lunenburg, MA 01462 (978) 582-6116 (978) 582-0486 (fax) Email: pbscatsontheweb.org http://www.catsontheweb.org Pet World Please click the business profile link below for detailed information 1262 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 (508) 653-9221 (508) 668-4300 (fax) business profile | phonephone | map | save http://www.pet-world.biz River Bend Farm Kennels Boarding Dogs & Cats; Meticulously Maintained Boarding Facilities; Specializing in Greyhound Adoptions; P O Box 512, Falmouth, MA 02541 (508) 540-0635 business profile | phonephone | map | save http://www.riverbendfarmkennels.com The Cat Hospital Of Auburn 209 Southbridge, Auburn, MA 01501 (508) 832-0022 business profile | phonephone | map | save http://www.thecathospital.com Williams Rosemarie Veterinarian 209 Southbridge Street, Auburn, MA 01501 (508) 832-0022 business profile | phonephone | map | save http://www.thecathospital.com > Putting an cat down just because they are doing that is a > spoiled selfish reason even with a new baby in the house [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bare handed the cats feces and it takes more than one > incident. We had a beautiful 14 year old girl come into our shelter (Cats Protection, UK) a couple of years ago for this very reason. The people concerned had apparently had her from a kitten, but as soon as they had a baby the cat was almost literally slung out. The poor creature just couldn't understand how anyone could have done that to her, and nor could I or anyone else at the shelter. It took many months before she came to trust anyone again. She's now one of our permanent "residents" and wanders the grounds and building, greeting visitors and generally making a nuisance of herself, as cats do..! Ivor Cats are not a nuisance they rule the world sssh don't tell the dogs they will just wag their tails :-) > Cats are not a nuisance they rule the world sssh don't > tell the dogs they will just wag their tails :-) I knew that ;-) Ivor Don't post binaries to a text newsgroup. I didn't want you crappy pictures on my hard drive. I thought if you sent it as a link you could... > Don't post binaries to a text newsgroup. I didn't want you crappy > pictures on my hard drive. You just got added Nobodyman <plonk> I will post whatever I like to save an animal and this is the usernet you have no control over the newsgroup that do not a FAQ in them and plus your server has to acknowledge your newsgroup FAQ It is alleged that No More Retail claimed: > Below are MA animal rescue groups I took the time to do this PLEASE TAKE > THE TIME TO SAVE YOUR PET There is also Tiny Tigers (http://tinytigers.org/index.html), where I got my kitty, Delany. Tiny Tigers Feline Rescue, Inc. PO Box 415 Groton, MA 01450 PO Box because it's actually run out of the owner's home so it's view by appointment only. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "You talk like a Minbari, Commander. Perhaps there was some small wisdom in letting your species survive." "We like to think so." (Alyt Neroon and Cmdr. Sinclair, B5 "Legacies") What ever it takes to save a animal is all that matters > With a 20 month child and desire to have another it has come to the > point where the cat must go (my wife is susceptible to the toxoplacimia > ?) As someone else pointed out, toxo stems from the feces, not the urine. > We keep the litter clean, it is on the main floor in our bathroom so > obviously we are careful to keep it spotless. Do you offer more than one litterbox for two cats? Optimally, there should be one box per cat, plus an extra one. Your cats are both undergoing a lot of stress - a move is a serious thing for them, just as it is for you, but they can't talk about it, so they express themselves behaviorally. Do you use clumping litter or clay? Scented or unscented? Covered or uncovered boxes? Litterbox liners? Do you know for certain which cat is having the problem? Is it every time? > We have taken the cat to the vet for tests, assuming those come back > clear (they did 4 months ago) then perhaps it is the environment and > possibly since my wife no longer spends most of her time working from > home. The combined stress of a move, a baby, less time spent with the cats... it's not surprising he's developed litterbox issues. > So the question is how to euthanase our cat. It is a sad state of > affairs, and I dont particularly want to drop her off at an animal > shelter, I would rather see her to the end - my responsibility. Please contact your local shelters and ask if they have a cat behaviorist on staff with whom you can speak. Shelters don't want or need new animals - we'd really rather work with the current owner and try to resolve the problems in everyone's best interest. However, if it does come down to it - if you've spoken to a behaviorist and tried all your options, many shelters offer euthanasia services where you can be present for the injection and sit with the cat afterward while he passes away. Most of them likewise will allow you to have the ashes back, if you'd like them. It's normally less expensive than the same at a vet's office. Putting the cat to sleep should never be an option you are a fool Kalyahna to even suggest it as an option there are plenty of cat societies out there that would take the cat hell find a old folks home some elderly person would gladly take the cat at least take it to the shelter and give the cat a fighting chance I rather see an animal at shelter with a 3 day chance than an putting the animal down for being inconvenient > Putting the cat to sleep should never be an option you > are a fool Kalyahna to even suggest it as an option there are plenty [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I rather see an animal at shelter with a 3 day chance > than an putting the animal down for being inconvenient This is the thing I just don't understand about the way things are done in the US. I volunteer for Cats Protection in the UK and we *never* put a cat down except on strict veterinary advice, i.e. feline leukemia or full blown AIDS (*not* just FIV+). We have some long term residents who have been with us many years, I think the longest is coming up for her 9th anniversary with us soon. How long would she have lasted in the US..? Ivor >> Putting the cat to sleep should never be an option you >> are a fool Kalyahna to even suggest it as an option there are plenty [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Ivor Can not speak for other but as long as it's quality of life did not decrease it would have a home with me. Our Moses was about 17 years when we had to be put down because he finally was up to eating 6 to 7 five ounce cans of food a day but could not keep it down and was down to under 6 pounds but even then we made him confortable until it got to the point one morning where he just laid in his corner and looked at us with this sad far away look and would or could not move. We figured then that it was time to say farewell to our old friend and send him on his journey. It has been about a year now and we still mis him very much even though we now have 6 others that we took in. http://members.aol.com/larrystark/ http://members.aol.com/larrystark/strays.htm You know...no matter how foolish or ignorant one;s answers may be, it is inexcuseable to tell some one they are...I dont agree with every one's opinions on here, but far be it from me to call them a fool! Shame! > Putting the cat to sleep should never be an option you are a fool > Kalyahna to even suggest it as an option there are plenty of cat [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I rather see an animal at shelter with a 3 day chance than an putting the > animal down for being inconvenient I call it is as it is anyone that puts any animal down or suggest putting an animal down for being inconvenient is a fool That is the SHAME! Only reason to put an animals down is that animal is sick or hurt beyond care and is suffering. The animals is suffering and is in pain and no way to help it. I only believe that an aggressive animal should be put down if can not be behaviorally trained and corrected and a I mean by aggressive I mean dangerous. Everytime I lost a friend it was the hardest decision to be made but i knew it had to be made and so did the vet. I sat which each one saying my last good byes with each one crying my eyes out. Even for strays that i found on the road that were hurt and one willing to do that just for incovenience DAMN THEM You may not have like that post but I take a stand in what I believe in just like my vet does He does not put animals down unless it is necessary. He takes the animal in, screens it, neuters if needed and makes sure the animal goes to a no kill shelter if he can't find a new owner. I guess I am a lucky one to have people like that in my area and to have no kill shelters Maybe so, but calling people fools...thats despicable... >I call it is as it is anyone that puts any animal down or suggest putting >an animal down for being inconvenient is a fool [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > am a lucky one to have people like that in my area and to have no kill > shelters Putting a healthy animal down is despicable. LT > Maybe so, but calling people fools...thats despicable... how about dropping them off at the local wild life preserve? I'll ignore the other threads that compare children with pets...obviously they haven't had kids...and I think many people would ship the cat out rather than find solutions. The only thing that rings a bell is that we did go from two litter boxes to one after the move. Apart from that we used clumping, non scented, have tried covered little box (disaster), but in general keep the area - which is in our downstairs bathroom, fastidiously clean. We certainly caught the one cat peeing and watch her sniffing around the areas. The reason I would consider euthanasia is that I wonder whether x nbr of days in the shelter if there is really a chance of getting a new owner especially with all the animals stranded by Katrina. This is obviously our last resort, otherwise I wouldnt post on the internet - we have tried everything - we followed all of our vets recommendations. I can see if I can talk with a cat behaviorist (let me know if you know one in MA, USA), if we can find one. I will also add another litter box (space is limited) and try that for a week, otherwise... thanks > I'll ignore the other threads that compare children with > pets...obviously they haven't had kids...and I think many people would [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > thanks Google "Cats International." They may have a local number for you to try, or as I suggested, check with your local shelter to see if they have suggestions. You are right about Katrina animals - I'm in Wisconsin, and we've taken in fifteen cats from a larger shelter so THEY can have space for animals from the hurricane affected areas. Retail: We do have problems with space, as does every other open admission shelter. We DO have to make choices about which cats live and which cats die - do we keep an old cat with chronic health issues and euthanise a healthy adult? Do we treat a cat for a third time for upper respiratory, no matter how friendly, when that cage could be used for two or three kittens to find homes? Some people seem to think that there's a never ending supply of resources, options, foster homes, money, medical supplies. There is NOT. Notice that I DID give advice before I commented on the euthanasia itself. I'm certified to perform euthanasia in this state. That means I have to live in reality, not in wishful thinking. Boy would it be nice to hide behind the 'ignorance is bliss' frame of mind... but three years in a shelter has stripped that away. Did you take time to actually read the post this was putting a cat down for inconvenience. This is what I blasted you for the last part about if all else comes down to it there is not if it comes down to it there is always another way. And I know the other side I volunteer in both a kill and no kill shelters here in Florida and yes there is a time to put an animals down. I won't get into an argument about shelter space because just supposedly like you I know how shelters are and the cost and space needed You need to take a break if you are that cynical because of working in the shelter >Did you take time to actually read the post this was putting a cat down for >inconvenience. This is what I blasted you for the last part about if all >else comes down to it there is not if it comes down to it there is always >another way. At times it is not always possible to read prior posts because when people reply to them they do not always include them with their reply so they reply to what they are reading at the time. http://members.aol.com/larrystark/ http://members.aol.com/larrystark/strays.htm |
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