HOWEDY People,

Does anyWON care to offer a second opinion / DIE-AGNOSIS?

Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.
Tallgrass Prairie Kennels
Saints and Danes, spoilt rotten

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 5 Feb 2004 22:01:40 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

Bill Vajk <bill9no...@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message
<news:uY-dnavwu6_WEb_dRVn-gQ@comcast.com>...

So.....if a tree falls in the forest, or the list....?????

!!!!!

Linda H.

Not to worry dra. linda hunger, they're ALL
INDELLIBLY ARCHIVED FOREVER in The Animal
Behavior Sciences Forensic Research Laboratory
Archives:

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 28 Jan 2004 09:19:58 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a81012ee778ddbb98ac89@news.west.earthlink.net>...

True, in part.  The ankle-biters, though, can be
picked up by the scruff of the neck and stared down.

Linda H.

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 31 Jan 2004 20:16:24 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a847a3ffbe331f598ac98@news.west.earthlink.net>...

<<<vbeg>>>.....dare ya to give a scruff shake and eye
contact to a 33 1/2 mastiff breed/saint/dane, that
yesterday chomped onto your arm...

I expect delivery of my copy of this book sometime next
week.  Found a good price on a lightly used copy thru
Amazon.com.

Scary stuff, trying to assert dominance over a dominant
aggressive dog that weighs 150# +/-, and has learned to bite.

Trust me, very scary.

Linda H.

HOWE did the dog LEARN to "ASSERT DOMINSNCE", Doctor linda?:

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 22 Jan 2004 22:45:38 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

"The Rock Garden" <hens...@povn.com> wrote in message
<news:iZadnVSYT7apBo3dRVn_iw@povn.com>...

Me, I have thought that some may be wondering if I
am lurking out here, waiting to psychoanalyze them,
so some are not posting.  !!!!!!!  hehe...only our
hairdressers know for sure!!!

<AND so will Animal Behavior Sciences Forensic
Research Laboratory, dra linda, which means the
WHOLE WILD WORLD is gonna KNOW.>

Secondly....I was bitten by a Very Big Dog last night,
so have been tormented the last two days with the worries
of what to do with this previously abused dog.

<"PREVIOUSLY", dra linda?>

Currently, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, and
will not repeat my behavior which incited the biting incident -
the application of a choke chain collar right behind the ears.

Yowzer!!!!!...instant vicious (briefly) saint bernard.

<"BRIEFLY", being that YOU MURDERED IT because
you have a MENTAL ILLNESS, dral linda: "Physican,
HEEL THYSELF".>

Third...prior to yesterday, I was obsessed with trying
to find this obsolete part for my Ariens snowblower, so
have been searching the web adn sending out emails.

Futile endeavors, to date, btw.

So...we be Busy!!!

Linda H.

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: dj_macint...@hotmail.com (DJ)
Date: 2 Feb 2004 05:27:00 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass) wrote in message

It's called (DJ says with disgust) "Stringing them up".
The proceedure is that you grab the dog by a CHOKE collar,
and suspend it from it until the dog almost passes out,
then you release it.

It is *supposed* to teach the dog to obey you or you will kill it.

I DO NOT support, suggest, or perform that technique;
I'm just passing it on for information.

It is still popular with some of the VERY old school
trainers; and yes, it has, occasionally, killed the dog.

DJ

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 26 Jan 2004 22:59:00 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a7ae6e26f9f92cd98ac78@news.west.earthlink.net>...

There are certain lines of saint bernards with volatile
temperaments, and this dog was 25% of them...."vicious"
is the current reliable urban legend for his gr.grandsire.

I took the dog to the vet last Friday morning, and he
growled each time Doc tried to listen to his chest and
belly, respectively.  I could not bring myself to load
the dog back into the van and risk my limbs further, so
I had the dog put down.

He was accustomed to being in charge, a dominant temperament,
and had learned he could bite and get away with it.  Too much
for me, and what I consider to be unsaintly temperament.

Your suggestions regarding handling a canine "loaded gun,
with the safety off adn a hair trigger" are welcome.  Me,
I could not risk my limbs nor face to training this dog,
and I do not own a handgun (yet!).

Cell phones do not work out here, and I am thirty miles
from the sheriff's office if I wanted the dog shot on site.

I thought about owning a cattle prod, but could not
comprehend why I would want to live with a 140# ++
dog that might bite me after a collar correction,
if I stood behind him, if I tried to stuff him into a
crate, or if he encountered an oriental person (all
known triggers to growling/biting).

Also, I do not own schutzhund gear, and I am not
interested in risking limbs and digits to a dog.

As for his abusive environment....he had been out of
that environment for at least 18 months, but I think
very little work had been done with him prior to my
acquiring him.

It is a shame, too, for I would have liked to add his
33 1/2" at the withers frame to my line of dogs.

I will settle for shorter sweet saints anyday, thankyouanyway.

Linda H.

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 29 Jan 2004 22:09:50 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a82dc20e32c326898ac8e@news.west.earthlink.net>...

I don't see this original post, so can't respond
to any more of it than what is above.  However...
what are dominance disagreements besides bullying,
at times?

I would think a staredown would be preferrable
to some other trainers methods.

Thanks for the title.  Have been meaning to get around
to it, and have put it on a lower priority.  From the
title, though, I have to question whether or not I want
to be my dog's best friend, or vice versa...?

The title implies equality between person and dog, which
I understand as a path to the dog testing limits until
it is convinced that it is not in charge.

Perhaps the title is a misnomer...

Linda H.

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 30 Jan 2004 15:45:18 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

John Klausner <somi...@adephia.net> wrote in message
<news:FrGdnTDGrYNNPIfdRVn-hQ@adelphia.com>...

Considering I had a grooming table salesman describe
how they would literally hang birddogs to get their
attention, I figured a well controlled stare-down was
pretty non-invasive.

However, heeding Janet's informed advice, I have Just
purchased a copy of the Monks' book, and look forward
to training myself with it in the next ten days or so.

If their techniques can convince a german shepherd,
it is worth my while to see what they have to offer
for my giant dogs.

Linda H., listening and learning

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Pavlov.

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition."  Ivan P. Pavlov

Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The
Scientific Management Of Doggys.

"It is NO WONDER hat the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's
social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler,
1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION
ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing
the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966).

From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 27 Jan 2004 22:22:59 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

John Klausner <somi...@adephia.net> wrote in message
<news:VYqdnabGFOh-A4vd4p2dnA@adelphia.com>...

FWIW....I have a gr. grandson saint here that descends
from a reputedly "downright nasty" dog, and he does Not
have a mean bone in his body.  Totally different lines
of dogs, too; West coast vs. East coast.

Considering the person that told me about the "nasty"
dog, I would have growled at her too!

If I had been bitten in warm weather, I am sure the
decedant dog would have drawn blood, if not broken
my ulnar bone.

As it was, his top canine tooth bruised me through
two sweatshirts, the top one heavily lined.  I still
have a superficial abrasion at the site of the tooth
impact, but the pain is beginning to subside.

Anyways....the three saints I have here now are truly
saints, and the danes' temperaments are nearly the same.
Case in point, one of the dane girls had to have some
stitches out last Friday, and none of us (Vet, assistant,
me) realised that we were not holding her muzzle while
the sutures were being removed.

Gracie just sat there, nonplussed, like the good girl
that she is.  That was the highlight of last Friday,
for sure.

Linda H.

You're nuthin but a loathesome ignorant animal
abusing coward backyard puppy miller breeder
profiteer, a FRAUD as a "psychiatrist and an
ABOMINATION as a physician, Doctor linda.

Here's a dog you CRIPPLED:

From: tgrassk...@yahoo.com (Tallgrass)
Date: 4 Dec 2001 17:29:18 -0800

Subject: Veterinary spinal surgeon sought

After several months of illness, my saint bernard,
Red, has been diagnosed with discospondylitis at
L7-S1 and is beginning dicloxacillin tonight for
presumed staph or strep infection.  His treating v
eterinary internist is not optimistic regarding his
recovering enough to lead a pain free life, and i
want to know what Red's surgical options are.

Red is the son of the 1997 SBCA National Specialty's
WD and Best Bred-by, so I would like to do as much as
I can for this dog, while trying to stay rational about
the situation <<sigh>>.

Secondly, I am wondering how to go about trying to
stabilize the LS joint over the next month of medical
treatment.  Are there any veterinary back braces out
there that could be utilized?

Maybe something homemade, leaving the penile sheath
uncovered for urination...??  Will have to try to
see what i can come up with myself, also.

thank you all.  heck of a way to say...I'm back online, eh??

Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.
Tallgrass Prairie Kennels
Saints and Danes, spoilt rotten

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds
From: tgrassk...@yahoo.com (Tallgrass)
Date: 4 May 2002 21:56:31 -0700
Subject: Re: St Bernard desperately needs HELP!!!
tranx...@aol.com (Laura S) wrote in message
<news:20020503153133.20556.00006020@mb-mn.aol.com>...

Training or not, this is Un-saintly behavior, by
American standards, and strongly suggests that the
dog has a very poor temperament.  I would hope that
this is not the desired temperament of British Saint
Bernards...?? Dra. linda.

Sat, Jun 4 2005 11:27 pm
Subject: Re: Tacoma WA st. bernard lost

HOWEDY doctora linda,

Linda E. Hungerford wrote:

Whaaat, no shock fence for IT?

Dogs ESCAPE when they're UNHAPPY.

Yeah. That's what they call LOST.

That's UNDESIRABLE in a well bred St. Bernard.

Unless he lays on you.

Maybe not...

Is this the same dog that bit you when you jerked
and choked IT?

Dogs run HOWET on their people who ABUSE them.

Yeah. Meanwhile we'll review a little of your
own posted case history, eh doctora linda?

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: dj_macint...@hotmail.com (DJ)
Date: 23 Jan 2004 05:49:28 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass) wrote in message

I have some experience being bitten by VBDs; I used to
train Schutzhund dogs, and I was the guy getting bitten.
Where, and how the dog bit you can tell alot about what
was running through the dog's mind at the time; my
experience is at your disposal.

My oldest mastiff, during her early obedience training,
recieved just such an introduction to the collar by the
instructor, who felt my wife wasn't "jerking quick enough".

My dog, however, just growled at her... that said, being
growled at by a mastiff is something you remember for a
LONG time ;-).

Oh, and yes, once we tried another training method, she
got her CD in four trials (crawled away from the long down ;-),
and then went on to get her Therapy Dog title and was the
joy of many bedridden people in the hospital we visited.

Actually, I got nailed once, during a Schutzhund trial,
retrieving a Rottweiler that got up from the long down.

As I slipped my fingers through her collar, she nailed
BOTH my hands quite nicely in about half a second. Upon
some questioning, I found out this particular Rottweiler
was, ahem, FIRMLY trained by her owner, and punishment
for breaking a down was usually a good smacking.

Well, needless to say, I was furious, and only my training
instructor kept me from putting a much needed beating on
this offender; no, not the dog, the owner!

Schutzhund is a FUN sport; especially the bitework.
The dogs LOVE it. They always win, the badguy (me)
always loses. Anyone who would hurt a dog for something
so stupid as a sport is just warming up for bigger things
later, I figure...

Anyway, if that Saint Bernard is still in that abusive
household, he has just gotten ALOT more dangerous: he
has just learned that his TEETH are valid defence weapons
and NEXT time, he'll be faster to use them; dogs learn
"what works" really quickly.

He CAN be saved and rehabilitated, but until his social
situation changes, I'd treat him as a DANGEROUS DOG from
this point on.

Oh! Actually, just thought of something else. Saints are
"floppy eared dogs". And floppy ears are prone to ear infections,
which can be VERY painful! That, also, might be something
worth considering.

Are his ears infected, because if they are, that choke
chain sent a red-hot poker through his head when you
yanked it... something worth considering, anyway!

DJ

"A Completely New Model Of Learning"? Naaah. Pavlov Told
Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student
Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of
Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using
TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggies. <{) ; ~ ) >

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: tgrassk...@yahoo.com (Tallgrass)
Date: 23 Dec 2001 15:24:52 -0800

Subject: Re: dig tremendous holes!(ninnyboy)

"Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
<news:7_4V7.22929$BX4.1393455@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...<>>

Jerr...ol'buddy, ol' pal.....you hawked that
black box to me last year, and I did not bite
then and do not plan to bite now.  give it a rest.

As for the moles...I would much rather the dogs *catch*
the moles than to hvae the moles tear up the yard.  This
is one of the uses of a dog, don'tchaknow!

to each their own.
Linda H.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:13:19 -0500
Subject: Re: dig tremendous holes!

My methods will cure hole digging in just a
few minutes over a couple of days...

"LEHunger" <lehun...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011216203655.04207.00000429@mb-mw.aol.com...

Your dogs DIG as ANXIETY RELIEF MECHANISMS
and OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDERS, DOCTOR:

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: lehun...@aol.com (LEHunger)
Date: 22 Dec 2001 03:36:35 GMT

Subject: Re: dig tremendous holes!

actually, I prefer the dogs digging now and then,
for it serves to aerate and dethatch the lawn, I think.

ttfn......
Linda H. and the Route 66 pack

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 02:13:59 -0500
Subject: Re: dig tremendous holes!

Yeah? You got any cure for diggin?

I do.

You don't.

Who's the troll? Bye!

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard.@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 03:16:03 GMT

Subject: Re: Narcissistic Personality Disorder -
UofOH Researchers Find Link Between Stress And Illness

HOWEDY dra linda,

"Tallgrass" <tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:aeb1ce4e.0306291001.fbe4c19@posting.google.com...

<news:CGpLa.17038$C83.1595898@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...

Do you NHOWE?

INDEEDY. The Puppy Wizard is waitin for
someWON to bend over to pick it up...

Well dra, there's NEW EVIDENCE that will UN SPECULATE you.

Just don't reply, and you're up for it, dra...

INDEEDY. There's NEW psychiatric findings to be made here... dra.

Yeah. The Puppy Wizard enjoys wonderin and speculatin.

When a dr figgers THAT HOWET, they get
themselves logged into the anals of science.

HOWEDY professors, doctors, scientists, and dog lovers,

The Puppy Wizard has been tellin you all along
that any negative interactions produce stress
which can cause OCD behaviors as recently
"discovered" by researchers at Purdue, and
likeWIZE can have debilitating effects on the
immune / endocrine and other systems.

The latest research from Ohio University PROVES
THE LINK between Interleukin-6 and STRESS such
as in simply tellin your dog 'NO!' or SCRUFF
SHAKIN IT or locking IT in a box and IGNORING
ITS CRIES or jerking and choking or shocking or
spraying aversives in ITS face, as The Puppy
Wizard has been CRITICIZED for TEACHING HERE
FOR FIVE GODDAMNED YEARS NHOWE.

Current research validates The Puppy Wizard's WILD
ASSED UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS that STRESS from MISHANDLING
can cause damned near EVERY health and temperament problem
just short of including freakin hangnails.

IT'S FREAKIN TIME TO ROLL OVER OR END YOUR CAREERS.

The Puppy Wizard has not been playin games and is
ready to bring HIS FINDINGS to the media and scientific
community, at which time such OBSTRUCTIONISTS as
professor LYING DOC, SCRUFF SHAKE dermer and his ilk,
will be TARGETED and this universities held liable
for MALPRACTICE and ANMIMAL ABUSE.

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:39:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Narcissistic Personality Disorder

HOWEDY Dra. Linda,

The following information MAY be enough
for you to arrive at a clinical diagnosis... if
you're REAL sharp:

"Tallgrass" <tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:aeb1ce4e.0306270619.6b2963ff@posting.google.com...

<news:Xns93A6836CF5EF1cahDfncah555NO@130.133.1.4>...

BORDERLINE??? We ain't got BORDERLINE NUTHIN here
abHOWEts. We got full blown psychosis goin on...
There's a PATHOLOGY here amongest HOWER dog lovers.

The Puppy Wizard is abHOWEt to come up with the
under-lying cause of it, to boot.  It's all
articulated in The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

INDEEDY, because it's self perpetuating, like "self
rewarding" behavior... HOWE ELSE can you explain these
lying dog abusing Punk Thug Cowards lying and denying
their own words, all huddled together here like a 12
step group therapy meetin?

Most of HOWER regular posters are actively in treatment
and taking psychotropic pharmacuticals. Look for Soup's
list, it's ALL true. The Puppy Wizard and Soup have NEVER
LIED on HOWER forums...

Seems gwen honey's head is still spinnin from croakin
her dog a couple weeks ago when IT escaped her shock fence.

Any port in a storm...

The Puppy Wizard intends to wipe that chuckle off
of disciple cad's twisted ugly mug... PUBICLY, in
the media, when HE brings the GOOD NEWS to the
general pubic.

Yeah... if it wasn't for bein master word weasels,
most of HOWER regular posters wouldn't be able to
continue lyin to themselves.

BEWWAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

INDEED? You NOTICED HOWER dog lovers are goin
hysterical over The Puppy Wizard EXXXPOSING them.

Let's not confuse what's REALLY goin down here, Dra. Linda.

You're a psychiatrist?

You ought to be able to figger THIS
case HOWER rather EZ.

Just review a few of the posts...

INDEEDY! What you're seein nHOWE is
a group psychotic reaction. We're in the
midst of an EXTINCTION BURST.

It's been goin on quite a while, as HOWER
dog abusers who leave in shame are
replaced by their new inductees to the
halls of mental illness.

INDEED. Perhaps working with dogs professionally
for 40 sumpthin years is HOWE COME The Puppy Wizard
learned HIS narcissistic attitudes and behaviors?

Well, at any rate, indulging a dog is not
a fault, in fact, it makes them VERY
VERY VERY happy and causes them
to naturally want to do anything we ask...

Think positive THUGmotaxis. The opposition
reflex occurs physically AND emotionally.

Bein CRAZY got NUTHIN to do with The
Puppy Wizard's FINDINGS on BEHAVIORISM.

The Puppy Wizard can go fry HIS own arse, yet
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
STUDENTS and DDR owners will STILL GET THE
SAME SAME SAME SAME 100% CONSISTENT SATISFACTORY
RESULTS.

The Puppy Wizard HAS YET TO FAIL ANY dedicated Student.

NOT WON, professor.

SHORE, we've had a couple LIARS sez the FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method DIDN'T WORK,
but they've ALL been PROVEN to have NOT EVEN
READ the TEXT... as you yourself admitted YOU
never READ THE TEXT before CONDEMNING IT here
on The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Forum.

Well professor SCRUFF SHAKE, The Puppy Wizard is
INSULTED that you'd resort to OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK,
instead of coming up with YOUR OWN IDEAS and
INFORMATION to sabotage HIM.

Seems your Nana made a bad choice of INVESTMENTS
in WASTIN IT on your university education, professor.

INDEED? That'd be a colossal WASTE OF TIME for a
DOG LOVER when they SHOULD RIGHTLY be studying
their own FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

Here's HOWER good professor SCRUFF SHAKE and the
DOG LOVERS of rpdb from whom he has learned MUCH:

The Puppy Wizzzard just wants everyWON
to have a good time while they're here...

HERE'S HOWE HOWER DOG LOVERS
HAVE FUN:

-

From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 6 Sep 2003 18:50:36 -0700

Subject: Re: seperation anxiety siberian malamute

pml13...@aol.commydog (Phyllis-Take out mydog first) wrote in message
<news:20030904070221.14188.00000411@mb-m18.aol.com>...

=============================HA!!

HA HA!!

I have a beastlet just like that here.....going on
five years or more of age.  There is no sign of his
having improved in the year that I have had him,
after he was brought to me by a surburbanite who
could not manage him in town; this after finding
him behind a mall, apparently escaped from recent
neutering.

Woofie is the beast, to be precise...a fine dog
as long as he can be with me all the time, part
?mal/siberian/german shepherd?(the latter the
vet's opinion).

After that, it all goes to Hades in a handbasket.

Yes, he is crate broken, a chore that I undertook and
accomplished....as long as it has something to do with
riding in the car, and that it is not a Vari-Kennel to
which he will rip off the front.

In the house.....Very difficult to even get
the dog into the crate.

Leave him alone in the house.....what's yours
in mine, is Woofie's motto.

Put him in the kennel, and he has budged thru nine
gauge fencing as well as gone over the six foot pens,
even while they are covered.

Boarded him recently, while I was out of town, and
Woofie escaped several times, only to turn around
and trot back into the building to see his other buddies.

And when put into their "secure" kennel, he got his
head up thru the covering of the run before the staff
got there and pushed him back in.  The kennel responded
with putting ties on every point of chainlink.

I keep working with Woofie, and he has demonstrated
his allegiance to me, but short of medicating him or
hot-wiring the kennel, I am not optimistic that I
will successfully contain him soon.

Hope you have better luck than I have had!

Linda H., venting

You mean, LIKE THIS, DOCTOR?:

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders.  I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now.  It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that.  Keep up the good work!

Hoku

=============== "Hoku Beltz" <h...@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
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================From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

 Engrossing account, Anthony.  Our best to Angel
and your family.

 A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

 She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

========================== Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

=================Úve Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi.

Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of  his business.
I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with
regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal
and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a
very open minded person, so I tried it.  Well, lo and behold-
the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.

Thank you Jerry!

********************************************************

Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Yves,

I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time.  I
just used it last evening while my husband and I went
out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
end to end in the meantime).

Yes, it really works.  :-)  So do the other distraction/praise
techniques described therein.

If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to
begin the exercises as well.

Regards,
Lisa

=========----- Original Message -----
From: "LEE " <>
To: <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: Wits end training in England

HOWEDY Lee,

EXCELLENT!

Nuthin happens by accident or coincidence.

Wonderful! Please follow the method entirely and
PRECISELY.  It NEVER FAILS, but it's very unforgiving
of mistakes and doesn't play well with other methods.

SA usually takes no more than WON day or two, to break.

HOWETSTANDING!

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===================> m...@bangnetcom.com (Mark Shaw) wrote in message
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===================My student Anthony summed it all up:

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====================From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking.  That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.  You've been a
blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

=================From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com):

I own a black an tan coonhound.  We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.

My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be  left home  alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better.  We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them.  Yes, there's alot of blame that we
have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused these
problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.

AIMEE

============"Nevyn" <greatd...@badmama.com.au> wrote in message
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HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs  2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON  A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

=============Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman
To: Witsenddog

Dear Jerry,

I hope you'll be able to post this message so more
people who are at their wit's end will be able to help
their dogs.

To review:

Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms.
At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly
from room to room. She couldn't settle and sleep.

southeast corner of the house (which makes sense
because most storms here come from the northwest)
and she'd cower in the corner of the couch and shake.

!st attempt to help her:

I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut -
I've sung to her when I've done her daily brushing since
she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she
relaxed, I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I
thought the problem was solved.

Traumatic event:

We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy
friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there
was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I've ever heard.

I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The fear
spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining. No thunder,
just gently summer rain, and she wouldn't go out.

The solution:

I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's
End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy
Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came
across.

A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and
Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me
to try both the manual and the product.

Problem solved:

I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he is
most generous with his time and advice). The first two
thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running
around in a blind panic.

The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger
bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she
seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my
feet and she napped through the rest of the storm.

A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry
for his manual and his machine.

A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a
machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took
the chance because Jerry offered a full refund
including shipping.

Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When
I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most
quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to
say: "What's that? I never heard that before."

She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor
beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware
of its cycles.

Amazing.

Thank you Jerry.

===========----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To: ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..

Jerry!

You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing.  Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!

He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes.  Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.

I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!

Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...

Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather
than beating a.s or pinching, or any of that nonsense.

I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who
beat MY a.s lol!

Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.

A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship".  He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)...  Too cool....

Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!

Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard

========================And THAT'S HOWE COME you and your
lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental
case pals can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )    >

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY"
dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer is
INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What  does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

 --Mike Dufort
   author of the zero selling book
   "Courteous Canines"

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter
apple, suppose I don't get used to being stupid
and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The
Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!"
And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

 And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
 "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
 something you twisted out of context,
 because you are full of bizarro manure."

          "Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
          helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
          Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
          you to progress to striking them more
          sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
          expert trainer.

You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

        "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
       Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
       With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
        discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT
all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER
to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump
with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran
back to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her
babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that
is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

         > > > Jerome Bigge writes:
         > > > I do know that hitting, hurting
         > > > your dog will often make the
         > > > dog either aggressive or a fear
         > > > biter, neither of which we want to do.

         > > And neither does anyone else,
         > > Jerome.  No matter
         > > what Jerry Howe states.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.

         > > You're scary Marilyn.

         > > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
         > > individual.  I feel very sorry for her
         > > and her family.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

         > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
         > > doubt, please provide a quote (an
         > > original quote, not from one of Jerry
         > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
         > > shows a regular poster promoting or
         > > using an abusive form of training.
         > > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

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sinofabitch writes:

Of curse THAT'S a lie.

Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?

No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.

That so?

We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...

The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.

Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

See?

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".

Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.
 - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
 Lynn K.

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs.

     It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn

         "Training is not confrontation," lynn k.

<except when it is>

   "So what?  Whoever said that it's right to
    always not confront?  We sure can try, but
    a dog who knows a command and growls when
    given it is certainly being confrontational".
    You can't simply walk away and pretend it
    didn't happen or leave it for later work in
    every situation."

                             Lynn K.

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
"Remember this - The decision to "do right" that most
helps a dog's character is the decision that he makes
himself. You cannot teach a dog to not want something,
any more than you can teach a human not to  want something."

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
------------------------------­---

"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most Of
The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That Interested
In Praise," BINACA bethFIST, professional trainer.

"The Best Way To Teach Him To Stay Away Is To
Step On Him Once. Seriously," BINACA bethFIST,
professional trainer..

"Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That Izzy Can
Put Simon In His Place," BINACA bethFIST,
professional trainer.

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         > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

         > > When you compare using sound and
         > > praise to solve a problem with using
         > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
         > >  how can you criticize the use of sound?

         > There's nothing more to be said, then.
         > You've made up your mind.

         > But you've impressed me by mentioning
         > that you're a professor with 30 years of
         > experience.

         >  So, can you cite some examples of
         > people recommending "shock collars,
         > hanging, and punishment"?
         > --
         > --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

You think matty's playin with a full goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.

            terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
           "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
           things is something you twisted out of
           context, because you are full of bizarro
           manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee
the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him
down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears,
or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar
or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm.

"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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         > >Di,

         > I don't believe you mentioned a particular
         > kind of training. If you are interested in
         > training retrieval behavior than do
         > consider our own Amy Dahl's:

         > The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
         > Well-Mannered,  Obedient and
         > Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
         > Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

          "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
          Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
          Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
          Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?

         > just $17.95 at Amazon.com.

         > (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
         > few regulars here who are either ill-
         > tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
         > --Marshall

Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

          "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
          we have trained require much more
          frequent and heavy application of pressure
          (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

         This is continued resistance to your
         increasing authority, and the job is
         not done until it is  overcome

         Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
         wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
         less tractable dogs may require you to
         progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

       "Try pinching the ear between the metal
       casing and the collar,  even the buckle on
       the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
       give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
       direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

         "You can press the dog's ear with a
         shotshell instead of your thumb even
         get a studded collar and pinch the ear
         against that Make the dog's need to stop
         the pinching so urgent that resisting your
         will fades in importance.

          CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
          Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
          using the stick and no ear pinch.

         When the dog is digging out to beat the
         stick and seems totally reliable without
         any ear pinch, you are finished

          This is continued resistance to your
          increasing authority, and the job is
          not done until it is overcome"

         If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
         under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

          (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
          because the ear is getting tender, or the
          dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
          frosty dahl.

          "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
           professora gingold.

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2D...@earthlink.net>
rhurw...@earthlink.net writes:

         >> -snip headers etc.

         >> Yes. you're right, I really should find
         >> the book.. they don't have these books
         >> in the local pet stores I frequent, where
         >> do you find Koehler?

         > I got a nice large print copy from
         > Amazon.com

         >Richard

           Please try Powell's Books in Portland
           Oregon. Their URL is:

                             http://www.powells.com/

           Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
           new and used books on its shelves. You
           can order books via e-email.

                              Koehler Method Of Dog
                              Training
                              by Koehler, W R
                              Published by HOWELL BOOK
                              HOUSE (0876056575,

======================================================Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962).  New York:
          Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

          Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk or
strain that the dog's most frantic actions could
cause.  Then he starts to work the dog deliberately
and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems
the dog is suspended in mid-air.

          However, to let the biting dog recover
          his footing while he still had the strength
          to renew the attack would be cruelty.

         The only justifiable course is to hold him
         suspended until he has neither the strength
         nor inclination to renew the fight.

         When finally it is obvious that he is
         physically incapable of expressing his
         resentment and is lowered to the ground,
         he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
         few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
         over on his side.

        The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
        on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
        let it alarm you

          THE REAL "HOOD"

         "If your dog is a real "hood" who would
         regard the foregoing types of protest as
         "kid stuff" and would express his
         resentment of your efforts by biting,
         your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

          "Professional trainers often get these
          extreme problems. Nearly always the
          "protest biter" is the handiwork of a
          person who, by avoiding situations that
          the dog might resent, has nurtured the
          seeds of rebellion and then  cultivated
          the resultant growth with under correction.

          When these people reap their inevitable
          and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
          ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
          trainer" whose advice they may have
          once rejected because it was incompatible
          with the sugary droolings of mealy-
          mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
          and dog psychologists who, by the
          broken skins and broken hearts their
          misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
         of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
         since the dawn of time.

        "With more genuine compassion for the
        biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
        by those who are "too kind" to make a
        correction and certainly with more disregard
        for his safety, the professional trainer
        morally feels obligated to perform a "major
        operation."

         "Since we are presently concerned with
         the dog that bites in resentment of the
         demands of training, we will set our
         example in that situation.  (In a later
         chapter we will deal with the with the
         much easier problem of the dog that
         bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

Here's professor dermer pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

    And how do we know this aspect of his
    advice is right?

    Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
    His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

    (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
    few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
    ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

    --Marshall

Here's professor dermer after gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

         Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

YOU GOT A DIAGNOSIS YET, Dra. Linda?

Researchers Find Link Between Stress And Illness

Jun 30, 2003 5:00 pm US/Eastern
WASHINGTON (AP) It's no surprise that constant
stress can make people sick, and now a team of
researchers has figured out how.

A study focused on 119 men and women who were taking
care of spouses with dementia. The health of the
caregivers was compared with that of 106 people of
similar ages who were not living under the stress of
constant care giving.

Blood tests showed that a chemical called Interleukin-6 sharply
increased in the blood of the stressed caregivers compared with
blood of the others in the test. Previous studies have associated
IL-6 with several diseases, including heart disease, arthritis,
osteoporosis, type-2 diabetes and certain cancers.

The study also found the increase in IL-6 can linger in caregivers
for as long as three years after a caregiver had ceased that role
because of the spouse's death. Of the test group, 78 spouses
died during the survey.

"This really makes a link to why chronic stress can actually kill
people," said Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, professor of psychology
and psychiatry at Ohio State University. "We haven't had a
good mechanism before."

She explained that people under stress tend to respond by
doing things that can increase their levels of IL-6.

For example, they may smoke or overeat; smoking raises
IL-6 levels, and the chemical is secreted by fat cells.
Stressed people also may not get enough exercise or sleep,
she added. Exercise reduces IL-6, she said, and normal sleep
helps regulate levels of the chemical.

It clearly points to the need to control stress better, she said.

The findings by the research group, headed by Kiecolt-Glaser
and her husband, Ronald Glaser, a professor of molecular
virology, immunology and medical genetics at Ohio State,
appear in this week's issue of Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences.

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This material may not be published, broadcast,
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