Veterinary Ethicks ARE Malpractice, So It Appears:
       Re: My cat died while getting declawed! :-(

HOWEDY dra carla, DVM,

Cc's: DrVonH@mindspring.com,
carla.pfeiffer@insightbb.com,
nicholas.dodman@tufts.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cats, alt.pets.cats
From: "Dr.Carla,DVM" <carla.pfeif...@insightbb.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:51:22 GMT
Subject: Re: My cat died while getting declawed! :-(

As a veterinary professional can you tell us EXXXACTLY
WHEN does a 'PURRFECTLY HEELTHY CRITTER DIE from the
NORMAL effects of anesthesia' for unnecessary inapupriate
unconscionable cosmetic / behavioral sexual surgical
mutilations which can be more better ETHICKALLY addressed
through understanding behavioral modification and apupriate
pet management and reasonable CON-TROLL, minus a bit of
professional self serving ADVICE from greedy veterinary
malpracticioners, dra carla, DVM?

Can you QUANTIFY that for us, dra carla, DVM?

Let's say you've got a surgical sexual and digital
mutilation to perform on Kitty for the price of $350.00
barring COMPLICATIONS? Let's say it's a domestic kat
worth only ten bucks or was found for FREE Vs a purrr
bred worth THOWESANDS.

Does the price of the kat mitigate RISK, doctor?
Or does the influence and of wealth of the purrr
bred kat's owner motivate you to mitigate those
'HARDEST THINGS WE HAVE TO RISK EACH TIME OUR
PETS are PUT UNDER for UNNECESSARY INAPUPRIATE
surgical mutilations' to keep your CLIENTEL, dra
carla, DVM?

GREED and IGNORANCE, dra carla, DVM. WON CAN train
a kat not to destroy STUFF clawing and SPRAYING as
those behaviors are CAUSED BY the handling, care
and training ADVICE you recommend as taught in
veterinary school dra carla, DVM.

Let's say there was an ETHICAL veterinarian
who has suffered NONE of those "hardest things
we have to face when undergoing inapupriate,
unnecessary surgical mutilations" dra carla,
DVM.

What would his patient's DEATH RATIO be?

shouldn't you as ETHICKAL veterinarians ADVISE your
CASH CUSTOMERS of the long and short term RISKS?

That's just WON of those 'HARDEST THINGS we have to RISK
when doing inapupriate unnecessary cosmetic / sexual /
behavioral surgical MUTILATIONS,' eh, dra carla, DVM.
Of curse, billing is done through the front office so
you don't have to get any BLOOD on the BILL.

But you'll break out the K.Y. jell and apply it liberally
as you SCHTUPP IT to J.Q. Pubic while you pass them a crying
towel and ask them to lean forward and CONtinue to perform, condone and
MAKE EXXXCUSES for yours and fellow malpracticioner's
veterinary MALPRACTICE and MURDERS of innocent IGNORANT patients
for PROFIT, dra. carla, DVM.

TRUST YOU, dra. carla, DVM? You're a FRAUD a LIAR
a ANIMAL ABUSER MALPRACTICIONER and SLANDERER, dra.
carla, DVM.

You're an APOLOGIST for your fellow malpracticioners
and you'll do and say ANY THING to defend your right
to RIP US OFF for our hard earned dough and our pet's
lives to support yourself in the manner in which you've
been TRAINED to want to become accustomed.

Yeah, but the vet BILLED THE CUSTOMER anyHOWE.

ESPECIALLY if we can PROVE surgical sexual /
behavioral mutilations are indeed, MALPRACTICE
as we'll see below.

It does get EXXXPENSIVE when clients DON'T PAY
for their vets MURDERING their critters. Purrrhaps
in the future surgical mutilations should be PAID
FOR IN ADVANCE to avoid having to go through bill
collections and all that EXXXPENSE of RUNNING a
veterinary malpractice, like rumor CON-TROLL and
media hype from professional organizations funded
by your membership dues, dra carla, DVM.

alt.cats - Aug 11,
by Dr.Carla,DVM http://tinyurl.com/dzblb

Subject: My cat died while getting declawed! :-(

... If you find that postings from a particular person
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that sender's messages from appearing in your ...

alt.pets.dogs.pitbull - Aug 11, 11:32 pm
by Dr.Carla,DVM http://tinyurl.com/aobfe

Subject: How to block annoying posts

... on the cat list gave me this info: If you find that
postings from a particular person are not constructive
and / or irritating, you can block that sender's ...

rec.pets.dogs.health - Aug 10,
by Dr.Carla,DVM http://tinyurl.com/cl8mb

Subject: Trying to keep my dog's ears dry
and free of infection

Who is this supposed "puppy wizard" I
wouldn't trust anything they print.

alt.pets.dogs.pitbull - Aug 11,
by Dr.Carla,DVM  http://tinyurl.com/dfkce

Who and what is this crazy pet wizard guy?

..   the "pet wizard"

I agree, the advice posted from this pet
wizard person is usually crap.

Re: My cat died while getting declawed! :-(

HOWEDY Phil,

Phil P. wrote:

INDEED. Unfortunately, dra carla, DVM doesn't know
HOWE to modify those behaviors if the kat DOESN'T
WANT to use his scratching post because she's a FRAUD,
and ILL TRAINED medical malpracticioner, LIAR and ANIMAL
ABUSER.

Phil wrote:

That idea never did make much sense. UNLESS it's like
stropping a razor... which DOES make SENSE.

Could be. Seems MOST critter's business centers
arHOWEND WHOAT FEELS GOOD to them, especially
when STRESSED.

INDEED? Have you been followin The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's Posts where HE'S IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED
and DISCREDITED dr. dodman as a DOG ABUSER and
INCOMPETENT ehthologist, Phil?

Yeah? Here's a EXXXCERPT from a review of his other book:

David Plotz is Slate's deputy editor. He is the
author of The Genius Factory: The Curious History
of the Nobel Prize Sperm Bank. You can e-mail him
at plotzd@slate.com.

Nicholas Dodman recently published Dogs Behaving
Badly, a guide to canine mental illness and a follow-
up to his popular The Dog Who Loved Too Much. Stanley
Coren's How to Speak Dog attempts to explain canine
communication. Stephen Budiansky's The Truth About
Dogs, which has been pilloried for its supposed anti-
doggism, is an evolutionary argument about why dogs
are the way they are.

The books offer two basic approaches to the dog mind,
one that is unsurprising and depressing, the other
that is surprising and quite wonderful.  Dodman
represents the unsurprising form. Dodman is a kind of
Doctor Feelgood for the pet set--a pill dispenser to
misbehaving hounds.

His Dogs Behaving Badly is an encyclopedia of dog
misbehavior and the drugs and behavior therapies
he uses to treat it. It's very comprehensive but
not nearly as entertaining as The Dog Who Loved
Too Much, a collection of Oliver Sacks-style medical
mysteries--why is that dog mauling one of its owners?
And why is that one freaking out during thunderstorms?-
-solved by Detective Dodman and his magic pharmacy.

Dodman seems to have a pill for every pooch: Prozac
for aggression, Phenobarbital for "Springer rage,"
tranquilizers for "separation anxiety," Naltrexone
and melatonin for obsessive licking, Buspirone for
thunderstorm phobia, etc., etc., and I do mean, etc.

When I interviewed Dodman earlier this year, he
said that vets are trying every kind of drug used
for human mental illness on pets.

Dodman, besides being a graceful writer, is a sensitive
vet, and he's adamant that medication is no good without
behavioral therapy. In Dogs Behaving Badly, pills are a
last resort after other therapy.

Still, there's something painfully familiar about the
dog-drugging industry. It is rooted in the same bleak
forces that have made us a Prozac nation: the quick-fix
belief that pills cure mental problems and the lure of
profit, in this case cash for drug companies that repurpose

antidepressants and tranquilizers for vets.

AND MAYBE HE WON'T...

Do tell, dra carla, DVM?

Well then, you should KNOW this is a BEHAVIOR
TRAINING PROBLEM, a NEGATIVE ATTENTION GETTING
DEVICE used by NEGLECTED NEEDY CRITTERS, dra.
carla, DVM.

You COULD TRAIN ANY kat not to scratch inapupriately
IN MINUTES, but you'd have to STOP HURTING and INTIMIDATING
and IGNORING IT FIRST, dra. carla, and THAT MEANS YOU
CAN'T USE your TRADITIONAL TRAINING METHODS on accHOWENT
of all you know as a VETERINARIAN is to HURT INTIMIDATE
AVOID BRIBE IGNORE and SURGICALLY MUTILATE NEEDY FEARFUL
DEFENSELESS CRITTERS.

Geez, the link don't work. Meanwhile, try THIS, from
dr. dodman: © 2000, Evan Gahr adapted this piece from
his longer version for the December 2000/Jan 2001
American Spectator:

PSYCHOBABBLE: Nicholas Dodman, author of Dogs Behaving
Badly, explains that dogs who bite small children aren't
necessarily vicious. Instead, they are afflicted with
"interspecies dyslexia" --ie, an inability to differentiate
between genuine threats and humans who are harmless, or
from the dog perspective, "pink and ouchy."

THAT'S A LOAD OF HORSE POOP!

dr. dodman is a DOG ABUSING FRAUD and INCOMPETENT
as are his ASSOCIATES at tuffts:

by: Dr. Michelle Posage and Dr. Amy Marder
Edited by: Dr. Nicholas Dodman:

"In most cases, the frequency and severity of aggressive
behavior can be reduced, but not eliminated completely.
The most that may be accomplished is to reduce the
probability of aggression. You must weigh the risks of
keeping an aggressive dog against the benefits."

IOW, KILL THE DOG?

"If your dogs are fighting, do not get in the middle.
Interrupt the aggression using water, loud noises,
blankets or sprays."

IOW, USE AVERSIVES TO TEACH FRIENDSHIP AND TRUST?

by: Dr. Monique Chrétien
Edited by: Dr. Nicholas Dodman:

"If your dog is digging to escape from the yard,
try to figure out why.

Give very serious consideration to improving your containment
system. The addition of an underground electronic fence or a
fence that extends under the ground may be the only way to
frustrate a skillful escape artist."

THAT'S WHAT GOT Misty's DEAD DOG Peaches DEAD ON HER.

by: Dr. Nicholas Dodma:

Dealing with Dogs that Run Away:

"Some dogs are just born to run away. Although the reasons
for this are varied, there are a couple of common themes.

Dogs run away to go to a better place where something
rewarding may happen or to escape from a real or
perceived danger."

LIKE YOUR SHOCK FENCE, "dr" dodman?

"No one in his right mind would allow a dog to roam
these days. There's too much trouble out there - not
to mention leash laws.

Some dogs are just born to run. Although the reasons
for running away are varied, there are a couple of
common themes. Dogs run away either a) to get to a
better place where something rewarding may happen
or b) to escape from a real or perceived danger."

Like to get away from their abusive owners who SHOCK
THEM on YOUR SEZ SO, doctors. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
got a SHOCK comin for you bums... WATCH.

      In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
               FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
               SAME SAME SAME SAME,
      For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

                  A Dog Is A Dog
                As A Kat Is A Kat
              As A Child Is A Child.
            As A SP-HOWES Is A SP-HOWES

             ALL CRITTERS ONLY Respond
  In Predictable Innate, Normal, Natural, Instinctive,
                 Reflexive, Ways,
          To Circumstances And Situations
    Of Their Environments Which We Create For Them.

    ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

             Damn The Descartean War of
               "Nature Vs Nurture."
        We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
             And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

PREPARE FOR A SHOCK, doctors, behaviorists and trainers...

AS FOR dr. dodman, HIS ADVICE DISCREDITS himself
and his university therefore NUTHIN HE SEZ can be
TRUSTED, to quote dra carla's OBJECTIONS to The
Amazing Puppy Wizard IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and
DISCREDITING HER for TORTURE, SURGICAL MUTILATIONS
and MURDER.

Here's a QUTE from that link that wouldn't open by dr. dodman:

"Another explanation for the vacuous scratching of
such cats is that they are ritualistically acting
out behavior that is hardwired into their neural
circuits. In other words, they keep doing it even
when there is no apparent reason to do so, because
they feel compelled."

WE CALL THAT OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR, doctor.

"As scratching has a marking function, and marking
is intensified by stress,"

STRESS CAUSES OCD's doctor.

"the frequency of scratching should increase as tensions
build, and this does indeed appear to be the case. In one
situation , a cat began to scratch the edge of an open
door to the living room when a new cat was introduced to
the home. This territorial response mirrors what happens
with urine marking, too.

Taking things a little further, it should be possible
for a naturalistic behavior such as scratching to be
expressed compulsively. The result would be excessive
and apparently pointless furniture scratching, and
careful examination of the situation might reveal a
sensitive individual under stress."

IOW a OCD.

"Theoretically,"

SEEMS dr. dodman SPECIALIZES in THEORIES when he has NO FACTS.

"the tendency to respond to stress in this way would
run in families, and furniture clawing appears to do
just that."

Like SUDDEN RAGE SYNDROME, SELF MUTILATION and CANCERS

"It is common knowledge that to avoid owning a compulsive
scratcher, you should select a kitten from parents who do
not indulge in this behavior to excess."

If these COMPULSIVE BEHAVIORS are CAUSED BY STRESS, then
SIMPLY NOT STRESSING the kat will NEGATE EVERY THING dr.
dodman SEZ.

"Care should be exercised in interpreting this as evidence
of a genetic tendency for anxiety, however, as learning is
known to be involved when it comes to scratching.

A careful analysis would have to be made before definitive

conclusions could be drawn about the various contributions
of nature and nurture, of temperament and learning, to the

transmission of this behavior from one generation to another.

It would be an interesting study and one that would point
the way forward."

Well DOCTORS, seein as The Amazing Puppy Wizard can
CURE ALL temperament and behaivor problems NEARLY
INSTANTLY SIMPLY BY DOIN EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE you was TAUGHT in VETERINARY school, WE JUST
TOOK THAT GIANT LEAP INTO THE FUTURE and THE  FINGER
IS POINTING AT YOURSELVES, pet PROFESSIONALS.

"Treatment of compulsive scratch marking (if that's
what it is) would involve minimizing environmental
stress such as intercat conflict, redirecting the
scratching onto an acceptable target, and perhaps
in refractory cases the judicious use of anxiety-
reducing medication."

You mean INSTEAD of NOT PUNISHING THE KAT, doctor?

"This strategy reflects the influence of treatments
developed for another form of compulsive marking
behavior, compulsive urine marking."

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHA!!!

"Let's suppose for a moment that we are dealing not with
a compulsive cat but simply with one that periodically
blows off steam by shredding a couple of high-profile
chairs around the house."

YOU MEAN A STRESSED KAT.

"This is not a cat for the obsessive-compulsive disorder
clinic, but merely one who needs to have its energies
channeled along more acceptable lines."

Well then, there's NO NEED or USE for your OBSESSIVE
COMPULSIVE DISORDER CLINIC on accHOWENT of ALL temperament
and behavior problems ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING and WE CAN
PROVE THAT REAL EZ.

Just masturbate your kat two or three times a day
according to PROFESSOR Marshall Dermer of UofWI ANAL-
ytic behaivorISM department at UofWI.

OtherWIZE you can CURE ANY OCD IN WON DAY if you STUDY
your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and DO ALL the
EXXXORICSES PARTICULARLY  The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
NON PHYSCIAL C-HOWENTER CONditioning and DESENSITIZATION
Technique aka The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation AnXXXIHOWESNESS / Bed Time Calming / Fear Of
Thunder / Car Sickness / Submissive Urination / Obsessive
Compulsive Masturbation / Chronic Urinary Tract / Bladder /
Irritable BHOWEL / Obsessive Compulsive Marking / Spraying /
Defecating Syndrome Technique <{); ~ ) >

"This is where the scratching post comes in, and scratching
posts do work if you know something about how to choose them
and where to place them."

And THIS is were dr. dodman GETS OFF his Merry-Go-RHOWEND
and takes a GIANT LEAP into HIS OWN GRIM FUTURE as a VETERINARY
ESTHETOLOGIST.

dra carla, DVM CONtinues:

Well, THAT'S on accHOWENT of dra. carla DVM MAKES HER
LIVIN off of UNNECESSARY INAPUPRIATE SURGICAL MUTILATIONS.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard calls that MALPRACTICE and FRAUD,
dra carla, DVM. PERHAPS you'd like to offer someMORE KILLFILE
The Amazing Puppy Wizard ADVICE, dra. carla, DVM?

HOWE abHOWET vets like dra. carla DVM who MURDER
those innocent VICTIMS of her VETERINARY MALPRACTICE
and FRAUD on accHOWENT of she don't know HOWE to
TRAIN critters withHOWET HURTING and INTIMIDATING them.

PERHAPS dra carla DVM would like to hold her VETERINARY
SCHOOL accHOWENTABLE? The Amazing Puppy Wizard will eagerly
offer EXXXPERT WITNESS TESTIMONY that they FAILED to TRAIN
HER PUPPERLY as a ETHICKAL VETERINARIAN and GET HER HARD
EARNED DOUGH BACK, on accHOWENT of BY THE TIME The Amazing
Puppy Wizard finishes CRUCIFYING HER, her VETERINARY PRACTICE
will be NON EXXXISTENT as she'll be IN JAIL as a pet ABUSING
FRAUD.

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you
write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a
shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay
home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-
shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now
<g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time. IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

====================
misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.

Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
come back in the yard and would run for days.  The last
time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer
runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats
and she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence
and its collars.  If you can't get a regular fence then you
need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in
our yard again.

The price was too high:-(
~misty

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<"Terri"@cyberhighway> dogsnuts wrote:

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you
act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do
I get to listen to the box first?)