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El Chapo - 29 Jun 2005 19:58 GMT
I'm taking my cat cross-country in a few days, probably at least
4 days on the road.  I know it will be stressful even in her
cozy cat carrier, so I decided it would be best if she were
mildly sedated most of the time.  I happen to have some Xanax
0.25mg tablets, and having used Xanax way more often than I
should have in the past, I can safely say that a very safe and
sedating-but-not-incapacitating dose for me might be around
2.5mg.  I weigh ~200lb and kitty weighs ~10lb, so I calculate
0.125mg (half a 0.25mg tablet) to be a reasonable dose.  I am
experimenting right now, having dissolved 0.125mg in a few
spoonfuls of cat food which she just ate, so I'll be able to
see how much it sedates her and how long it lasts and if I'll
have to adjust it.  More likely, I'll dissolve a mg or two in
an entire can of cat food or tuna and dole it out to her a
spoonful at a time over the day (Xanax is fairly short-lived
in the system).  I don't want to knock her out, she will
need to use the litter box and eat some unadulterated food
throughout the day.
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 29 Jun 2005 20:46 GMT
> I'm taking my cat cross-country in a few days, probably at least
> 4 days on the road.  I know it will be stressful even in her
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> need to use the litter box and eat some unadulterated food
> throughout the day.

If you get the real sleepin' stuff from the vet, your cat will stay fuzzy
for about hours, instead of the Xanax punch of only 3 hours.  Of course,
taking the chance that you ARE just trolling this group, I'd say you could
increase the does.  <not!>

When we traveled from FL to upstate NY, we sedated the cats (3 of them) an
hour before travel.  Once we hit the road, we took away the dry food (water
only, and only feed dry food during the entire trip).  We drove anywhere
from 6 hours (because of PoohBear's insanity) to 8 hours (a good day for
Pooh).

BTW, Xanax can kill your cat.  (But you knew that...  right-o?)

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El Chapo - 29 Jun 2005 22:40 GMT
"~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <Nobody@myjunkaddy.com> wrote...
> BTW, Xanax can kill your cat.  (But you knew that...  right-o?)

No, where did you hear that?  Benzos were so popular after their
introduction because they were SO much safer than the barbituates
that they replaced.  Barbs and alcohol kill, while benzos and
alcohol just knock you on your a.s (you would be hard-pressed to
kill yourself that way with anything less than maybe 50mg and
2L of liquor).  It's now about 3 hours since she consumed it and
is still as alert as ever, but from my first experience with it
I took 5mg (!!!) at once and just about 3 hours later I was
passed out, so I'll give it another hour or two (especially
since it was mixed with food) before deciding.  And please tell
me where you heard that Xanax could kill cats...do you mean the
drug itself is toxic or just that it might be easy to overdose
given the cat's low body weight?  The weight-adjusted dose I gave
her should be almost exactly right, unless Xanax affects cats
differently than humans?
Ivor Jones - 29 Jun 2005 22:54 GMT
> "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <Nobody@myjunkaddy.com> wrote...
>> BTW, Xanax can kill your cat.  (But you knew that...  right-o?)

I can't believe you are seriously considering giving a cat a drug without
it being prescribed by a vet..?

Ivor
L Sternn - 01 Jul 2005 01:50 GMT
>> "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <Nobody@myjunkaddy.com> wrote...
>>> BTW, Xanax can kill your cat.  (But you knew that...  right-o?)
>
>I can't believe you are seriously considering giving a cat a drug without
>it being prescribed by a vet..?

HRYK - you should give the xanax to me instead

>Ivor
El Chapo - 29 Jun 2005 22:57 GMT
"~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <Nobody@myjunkaddy.com> wrote...
> BTW, Xanax can kill your cat.  (But you knew that...  right-o?)

Sorry to reply again, but a quick google turned up this link:

http://petplace.netscape.com/IntLearning/IntLearningResults.asp?cboAnimalType=8&
parentTopic=0&optTopic=669


"Alprazolam is a mild tranquilizer used to reduce anxiety in dogs
and cats.  It is classified chemically as a benzodiazepine
tranquilizer.  Other drugs in this class include diazepam (Valium®)
and clorazepate (Tranxene®)."

And this:

http://www.bestfriendspetcare.com/pet_health/medicationtocontrolbehavior.cfm

"Noise phobias and separation anxiety may be treated with Alprazolam
(Xanax), Buspirone (BuSpar), Clomipramine (Clomicalm), or Clorazepate
(Tranxene). Diazepam (Valium) and Acepromazine may be also be used to
treat noise phobias.  Amitriptyline (Elavil), Fluxetine (Prozac),
Imipramine (Trofranil), and Sertraline (Zoloft) may also be used to
treat separation anxiety.  These drugs may have the following side
effects: drug dependence with Alprazolam [Xanax], sedative effects
with Amitriptyline, possible increased interact aggression with
Buspirone, gastrointestinal side effects with Clomipramine, sedation
and loss of balance with Clorazepate, rare cases of liver failure in
cats with Diazepam, loss of appetite with Fluxetine, and salivation
and diarrhea with Imipramine, decreased heart rate with Propranalol,
and diabetes and breast cancer with Medroxyprogesterone acetate."

--------------------------

So aside from making my cat a possible drug addict, there is no
apparent physical harm in lightly-sedating her for several days.
I said I used to be a complete xanax junkie after I learned it
was legal to import it from Mexico (one single bottle and I live
on the border), so I know all about proper dosage.  Several mg at
once knocks you out, the same several mg taken over several hours
results in an extended period of sedation; the trick is to re-dose
roughly around the time the prior dose would begin wearing off.
So as diluted in cat food or tuna (kitty's favorite), every few
hours I would give her 0.1mg and that should keep her calm all
day.  The worst that would happen is the cumulative dosage would
knock her out, then of course I wouldn't give her another dose.
DL Farnworth - 30 Jun 2005 18:58 GMT
:: so I know all about proper dosage.

Human dosage maybe.  Cats don't just look different
from humans, they are different.  The chemicals in
their bodies aren't the same as ours.

My wife's college roommate killed her cat with a
tranquillizer to keep her quiet when traveling.

We've traveled with cats and if they are kept in their
own carrying cage, preferably solid, and left alone,
they don't need drugs.

They adjust very quickly.  A little food, a lot of
water, a handy catbox in the motel and routine will
keep them happy.
Jen M. - 01 Jul 2005 22:23 GMT
I am concerned that you would do something like this without consulting a vet-
-I don't even know what to say.  Animals and humans don't respond the same to
medications--your vet may have a better solution then Xanax--dear lord!

Sincerely,
Jen

>:: so I know all about proper dosage.
>
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>water, a handy catbox in the motel and routine will
>keep them happy.
El Chapo - 05 Jul 2005 16:18 GMT
"DL Farnworth" <felix_sum@yahoo.com> wrote...
> We've traveled with cats and if they are kept in their
> own carrying cage, preferably solid, and left alone,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> water, a handy catbox in the motel and routine will
> keep them happy.

In the end I didn't drug her, she was so calm she didn't need
to be; aside from the occassional lonely meow, she seemed
perfectly content in her cat carrier and actually resisted
every time I removed her to give her a chance to use the
litter box, eat, and drink (all of which she refused on the
road).

I should have drugged my snake instead, he kept escaping and
the last thing I needed was a snake slithering around the gas
pedal.  I finally contained him by wrapping his basket tightly
with twine and stuffing it into a backpack.  Aside from
escaping, snakes travel well as they don't care as long as
they have a dark, cozy place to hide (the basket), and also
don't need to eat or drink for days or weeks at a time.
Shadow Walker - 03 Jul 2005 01:41 GMT
READ ALL OF THIS CARFULLY:

You should never give a drug wether presciption or over the counter to you
pet unless a vet has given directions in it's use. What works for people
usually kills cats and dogs.

http://www.psyweb.com/Drughtm/xanax.html
XANAX Generic Name: alprazolam (al PRAH zoe lam) Brand Names: Xanax, Xanax
XR. Alprazolam is an anti anxiety agent,benzodiazepine's.Used primarily for
short-term relief of mild to moderate anxiety and nervous tension.Alprazolam
is also effective in the treatment of activity depression or panic attacks.
It can be useful in treating irritable bowel syndrome and anxiety due to a
neurosis as well. Alprazolam may help the symptoms of PMS if extreme,some
cancers pains if given with various narcotics, Alprazolam is used to relieve
anxiety, nervousness, and tension associated with anxiety disorders.
agoraphobia,essential tremor,and ringing ears.

Alprazolam is in a class of drugs called benzodiazepines.
Alprazolam affects chemicals in the brain that may become unbalanced and
cause anxiety.
Alprazolam may also be used for purposes other than those listed here.

CLASS:
Triazolo Benzodiazepine's.

Generic name:
Alprazolam.

Type:
Anti anxiety.

http://www.pethealthcare.net/html/body_behavioral_drug_therapy_with_r.html
Anti-anxiety drugs:  how are they used?

For anxiety, urine marking, noise phobias, fear induced aggression,
generalized fear, waking at night, and some panic disorders, anti-anxiety
drugs such as the benzodiazepines (e.g. diazepam, alprazolam) are used.
Because of their short onset of action and relatively short duration, these
drugs are primarily used for situations that might produce temporary
anxiety, and less frequently for long term on-going problems.  Because of
potential dependency effects, gradual withdrawal is recommended after
continuous therapy.  Liver function should be monitored prior to, and during
therapy with benzodiazepines because of potential liver damage, particularly
in cats.

Benzodiazepines may cause sedation and appetite stimulation, and some pets
might even become more agitated or anxious when therapy is first initiated.
These effects usually resolve within a few days.  In some cases, as pets
become less fearful, there may be an increase in aggression, especially
between members of the same species.  Be certain to report any unexpected
behavior changes, or any medical changes such as decreased appetite or
vomiting to your veterinarian immediately.

> I'm taking my cat cross-country in a few days, probably at least
> 4 days on the road.  I know it will be stressful even in her
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> need to use the litter box and eat some unadulterated food
> throughout the day.
carla.pfeiffer - 03 Jul 2005 05:34 GMT
Personally I would never give my pets any of my own medication unless I have
talked to a Veterinarian about it....

Adverse effects of Xanax in cats include: changes in behavior (irritability,
increased affection, depression, aberrant demeanor), chronic use can induce
physical dependence just like in people , overdosing can cause central
nervous system depression and as in people can cause confusion, coma,
hypotension, respiratory depression and cardiac arrest.

Xanax stays in a person's body up to 27 hours and it is not published how
long it will take to be metabolized out of your cat.

If you are concerned about your cat's behavior after being given this drug
(or in any other poison situation), call 1-800 4ANI-HELP (National Animal
Poison Control Hotline $50/call).  The Veterinary Toxicology specialists
there are awesome and will try to help you at home and if it is life
threatening will send you to your nearest vet and they will contact the vet
to give instructions to save your cats life.

Please be careful.

> I'm taking my cat cross-country in a few days, probably at least
> 4 days on the road.  I know it will be stressful even in her
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> need to use the litter box and eat some unadulterated food
> throughout the day.
 
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