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El Chapo - 29 Jun 2005 19:58 GMT I'm taking my cat cross-country in a few days, probably at least 4 days on the road. I know it will be stressful even in her cozy cat carrier, so I decided it would be best if she were mildly sedated most of the time. I happen to have some Xanax 0.25mg tablets, and having used Xanax way more often than I should have in the past, I can safely say that a very safe and sedating-but-not-incapacitating dose for me might be around 2.5mg. I weigh ~200lb and kitty weighs ~10lb, so I calculate 0.125mg (half a 0.25mg tablet) to be a reasonable dose. I am experimenting right now, having dissolved 0.125mg in a few spoonfuls of cat food which she just ate, so I'll be able to see how much it sedates her and how long it lasts and if I'll have to adjust it. More likely, I'll dissolve a mg or two in an entire can of cat food or tuna and dole it out to her a spoonful at a time over the day (Xanax is fairly short-lived in the system). I don't want to knock her out, she will need to use the litter box and eat some unadulterated food throughout the day.
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 29 Jun 2005 20:46 GMT > I'm taking my cat cross-country in a few days, probably at least > 4 days on the road. I know it will be stressful even in her [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > need to use the litter box and eat some unadulterated food > throughout the day. If you get the real sleepin' stuff from the vet, your cat will stay fuzzy for about hours, instead of the Xanax punch of only 3 hours. Of course, taking the chance that you ARE just trolling this group, I'd say you could increase the does. <not!>
When we traveled from FL to upstate NY, we sedated the cats (3 of them) an hour before travel. Once we hit the road, we took away the dry food (water only, and only feed dry food during the entire trip). We drove anywhere from 6 hours (because of PoohBear's insanity) to 8 hours (a good day for Pooh).
BTW, Xanax can kill your cat. (But you knew that... right-o?)
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El Chapo - 29 Jun 2005 22:40 GMT "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <Nobody@myjunkaddy.com> wrote...
> BTW, Xanax can kill your cat. (But you knew that... right-o?) No, where did you hear that? Benzos were so popular after their introduction because they were SO much safer than the barbituates that they replaced. Barbs and alcohol kill, while benzos and alcohol just knock you on your a.s (you would be hard-pressed to kill yourself that way with anything less than maybe 50mg and 2L of liquor). It's now about 3 hours since she consumed it and is still as alert as ever, but from my first experience with it I took 5mg (!!!) at once and just about 3 hours later I was passed out, so I'll give it another hour or two (especially since it was mixed with food) before deciding. And please tell me where you heard that Xanax could kill cats...do you mean the drug itself is toxic or just that it might be easy to overdose given the cat's low body weight? The weight-adjusted dose I gave her should be almost exactly right, unless Xanax affects cats differently than humans?
Ivor Jones - 29 Jun 2005 22:54 GMT > "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <Nobody@myjunkaddy.com> wrote... >> BTW, Xanax can kill your cat. (But you knew that... right-o?) I can't believe you are seriously considering giving a cat a drug without it being prescribed by a vet..?
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L Sternn - 01 Jul 2005 01:50 GMT >> "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <Nobody@myjunkaddy.com> wrote... >>> BTW, Xanax can kill your cat. (But you knew that... right-o?) > >I can't believe you are seriously considering giving a cat a drug without >it being prescribed by a vet..? HRYK - you should give the xanax to me instead
>Ivor El Chapo - 29 Jun 2005 22:57 GMT "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <Nobody@myjunkaddy.com> wrote...
> BTW, Xanax can kill your cat. (But you knew that... right-o?) Sorry to reply again, but a quick google turned up this link:
http://petplace.netscape.com/IntLearning/IntLearningResults.asp?cboAnimalType=8& parentTopic=0&optTopic=669
"Alprazolam is a mild tranquilizer used to reduce anxiety in dogs and cats. It is classified chemically as a benzodiazepine tranquilizer. Other drugs in this class include diazepam (Valium®) and clorazepate (Tranxene®)."
And this:
http://www.bestfriendspetcare.com/pet_health/medicationtocontrolbehavior.cfm
"Noise phobias and separation anxiety may be treated with Alprazolam (Xanax), Buspirone (BuSpar), Clomipramine (Clomicalm), or Clorazepate (Tranxene). Diazepam (Valium) and Acepromazine may be also be used to treat noise phobias. Amitriptyline (Elavil), Fluxetine (Prozac), Imipramine (Trofranil), and Sertraline (Zoloft) may also be used to treat separation anxiety. These drugs may have the following side effects: drug dependence with Alprazolam [Xanax], sedative effects with Amitriptyline, possible increased interact aggression with Buspirone, gastrointestinal side effects with Clomipramine, sedation and loss of balance with Clorazepate, rare cases of liver failure in cats with Diazepam, loss of appetite with Fluxetine, and salivation and diarrhea with Imipramine, decreased heart rate with Propranalol, and diabetes and breast cancer with Medroxyprogesterone acetate."
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So aside from making my cat a possible drug addict, there is no apparent physical harm in lightly-sedating her for several days. I said I used to be a complete xanax junkie after I learned it was legal to import it from Mexico (one single bottle and I live on the border), so I know all about proper dosage. Several mg at once knocks you out, the same several mg taken over several hours results in an extended period of sedation; the trick is to re-dose roughly around the time the prior dose would begin wearing off. So as diluted in cat food or tuna (kitty's favorite), every few hours I would give her 0.1mg and that should keep her calm all day. The worst that would happen is the cumulative dosage would knock her out, then of course I wouldn't give her another dose.
DL Farnworth - 30 Jun 2005 18:58 GMT :: so I know all about proper dosage. Human dosage maybe. Cats don't just look different from humans, they are different. The chemicals in their bodies aren't the same as ours.
My wife's college roommate killed her cat with a tranquillizer to keep her quiet when traveling.
We've traveled with cats and if they are kept in their own carrying cage, preferably solid, and left alone, they don't need drugs.
They adjust very quickly. A little food, a lot of water, a handy catbox in the motel and routine will keep them happy.
Jen M. - 01 Jul 2005 22:23 GMT I am concerned that you would do something like this without consulting a vet- -I don't even know what to say. Animals and humans don't respond the same to medications--your vet may have a better solution then Xanax--dear lord!
Sincerely, Jen
>:: so I know all about proper dosage. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >water, a handy catbox in the motel and routine will >keep them happy. El Chapo - 05 Jul 2005 16:18 GMT "DL Farnworth" <felix_sum@yahoo.com> wrote...
> We've traveled with cats and if they are kept in their > own carrying cage, preferably solid, and left alone, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > water, a handy catbox in the motel and routine will > keep them happy. In the end I didn't drug her, she was so calm she didn't need to be; aside from the occassional lonely meow, she seemed perfectly content in her cat carrier and actually resisted every time I removed her to give her a chance to use the litter box, eat, and drink (all of which she refused on the road).
I should have drugged my snake instead, he kept escaping and the last thing I needed was a snake slithering around the gas pedal. I finally contained him by wrapping his basket tightly with twine and stuffing it into a backpack. Aside from escaping, snakes travel well as they don't care as long as they have a dark, cozy place to hide (the basket), and also don't need to eat or drink for days or weeks at a time.
Shadow Walker - 03 Jul 2005 01:41 GMT READ ALL OF THIS CARFULLY:
You should never give a drug wether presciption or over the counter to you pet unless a vet has given directions in it's use. What works for people usually kills cats and dogs.
http://www.psyweb.com/Drughtm/xanax.html XANAX Generic Name: alprazolam (al PRAH zoe lam) Brand Names: Xanax, Xanax XR. Alprazolam is an anti anxiety agent,benzodiazepine's.Used primarily for short-term relief of mild to moderate anxiety and nervous tension.Alprazolam is also effective in the treatment of activity depression or panic attacks. It can be useful in treating irritable bowel syndrome and anxiety due to a neurosis as well. Alprazolam may help the symptoms of PMS if extreme,some cancers pains if given with various narcotics, Alprazolam is used to relieve anxiety, nervousness, and tension associated with anxiety disorders. agoraphobia,essential tremor,and ringing ears.
Alprazolam is in a class of drugs called benzodiazepines. Alprazolam affects chemicals in the brain that may become unbalanced and cause anxiety. Alprazolam may also be used for purposes other than those listed here.
CLASS: Triazolo Benzodiazepine's.
Generic name: Alprazolam.
Type: Anti anxiety.
http://www.pethealthcare.net/html/body_behavioral_drug_therapy_with_r.html Anti-anxiety drugs: how are they used?
For anxiety, urine marking, noise phobias, fear induced aggression, generalized fear, waking at night, and some panic disorders, anti-anxiety drugs such as the benzodiazepines (e.g. diazepam, alprazolam) are used. Because of their short onset of action and relatively short duration, these drugs are primarily used for situations that might produce temporary anxiety, and less frequently for long term on-going problems. Because of potential dependency effects, gradual withdrawal is recommended after continuous therapy. Liver function should be monitored prior to, and during therapy with benzodiazepines because of potential liver damage, particularly in cats.
Benzodiazepines may cause sedation and appetite stimulation, and some pets might even become more agitated or anxious when therapy is first initiated. These effects usually resolve within a few days. In some cases, as pets become less fearful, there may be an increase in aggression, especially between members of the same species. Be certain to report any unexpected behavior changes, or any medical changes such as decreased appetite or vomiting to your veterinarian immediately.
> I'm taking my cat cross-country in a few days, probably at least > 4 days on the road. I know it will be stressful even in her [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > need to use the litter box and eat some unadulterated food > throughout the day. carla.pfeiffer - 03 Jul 2005 05:34 GMT Personally I would never give my pets any of my own medication unless I have talked to a Veterinarian about it....
Adverse effects of Xanax in cats include: changes in behavior (irritability, increased affection, depression, aberrant demeanor), chronic use can induce physical dependence just like in people , overdosing can cause central nervous system depression and as in people can cause confusion, coma, hypotension, respiratory depression and cardiac arrest.
Xanax stays in a person's body up to 27 hours and it is not published how long it will take to be metabolized out of your cat.
If you are concerned about your cat's behavior after being given this drug (or in any other poison situation), call 1-800 4ANI-HELP (National Animal Poison Control Hotline $50/call). The Veterinary Toxicology specialists there are awesome and will try to help you at home and if it is life threatening will send you to your nearest vet and they will contact the vet to give instructions to save your cats life.
Please be careful.
> I'm taking my cat cross-country in a few days, probably at least > 4 days on the road. I know it will be stressful even in her [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > need to use the litter box and eat some unadulterated food > throughout the day.
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