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Bean - 15 Jun 2005 16:06 GMT I'm trying to decide how to deal with a cat problem, and was looking for different points of view. I have a 15 year old cat. She is a domestic short hair, and has lived inside her entire life. She has easy access to her litter box, water, and food, which are in the garage, accessible via a cat door. She spends most of her time inside, sleeping on the bed or couch. I am meticulous about keeping her litter box clean, and scoop it every morning. I use clumping litter.
Over the course of this past year, she would, maybe once a month, have a bout of diarrhea on one of the bathmats in my bathroom. While nasty, I was glad she was at least going on the bathmat. This was new behavior, and I wasn't really sure why it was happening. Her litter box was always clean when this happened, and she would frequent the garage for food and water no problem, so I don't believe it was trouble getting to the box. In December, because I noticed that her stool was very, very loose, I took her for a full medical exam, including blood test & fecal exam. The vet found nothing wrong. But, we switched her to a low-allergy food to see if it helped. It seemed to help for about four months.
Now, this behavior has increased, and expanded. In the past three weeks, she has made messes on my bed and two area rugs. Also, if I give her a full serving of cat food (dry, Science Diet Low Residue) she throws it up immediately. I did just switch to this food a few weeks ago at the suggestion of the vet. I have to feed her small amounts during the day. Again, she goes to the garage just fine to eat and drink. If she does wander into the backyard, 100% of the time she'll eat grass, come inside, and throw it up.
The vet says the only other thing he can do is perform an Endoscopy, which I've been told including the biopsies & everything will be $500. He thinks it's irritable bowel syndrome, some kind of infection, or some kind of cancer. Other than the puking/diarrhea stuff, she seems happy and playful. I'm having a hard time justifying the $500 fee on an elderly cat. For now, she has become a garage cat, which she isn't really thrilled about, but I don't know what else to do. I just can't have her crapping on things in the house.
Anyway, I'm just looking for some quick thoughts. What would you do? Pay the $500, keep her in the garage indefinitely...what else? Does anybody have a similar experience, or anything else to try?
I'd appreciate any advice; thanks for reading such a long post!
Bean
Knucklehead - 15 Jun 2005 17:35 GMT Now this is far fetched I understand but since you are really at a loss as to what to do---.When my daughter was a baby and had diarrhea the doctor told me to give her pectin[apple sauce]. I was wondering if you could ask your vet if there is any reason a cat could not be given pectin.You can get liquid form and maybe put a couple of drops on her food.Decrease or increase as needed to bind her up a little but not too much. Just a thought--trying to help.
Jason and Holly Harper - 16 Jun 2005 01:47 GMT I do understand your financial concerns. I've also heard of using canned pumpkin to try and create a firmer stool. Maybe this is an option? Would your vet be willing to let you make payments on the $500? It kind of sounds like irritable bowel to me too, but with her age ya never know unless you actually do an endoscope. Best of luck to you and your kitty.
Holly
> I'm trying to decide how to deal with a cat problem, and was looking for > different points of view. I have a 15 year old cat. She is a domestic [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Bean Bean - 16 Jun 2005 21:36 GMT Thanks for the suggestion. We tried the pumpkin, and surprisingly, she liked it! It did help firm up stools. The main problem though is not the actual loose stools themelves, but why she won't go in her litterbox when she has a bad case? Sometimes she does, other times she doesn't. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt & say that it's a sudden urge, but from her spot on the bed to the litter box versus the bathmat isn't that different; probably a 3 second walk versus a 10 second walk. Who knows.
We talked to the vet, and he is willing to let us make payments, so I made an appointment. She goes in Tuesday, and we'll see what they say.
Thanks for the response!
Bean
> I do understand your financial concerns. I've also heard of using > canned pumpkin to try and create a firmer stool. Maybe this is an [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Holly DaKitty - 16 Jun 2005 23:46 GMT > Thanks for the suggestion. We tried the pumpkin, and surprisingly, she > liked it! It did help firm up stools. The main problem though is not the > actual loose stools themelves, but why she won't go in her litterbox when > she has a bad case? Cats seem to do thatwhen they have a bad case, or a urinary problem. I think they get nervous, need a change of scenery or something and a quick release helps them.
Jason and Holly Harper - 18 Jun 2005 01:15 GMT Well now that may be something that never gets answered. When my kitties have loose stools they always seem to make it right near the litterbox, but never actually in it. I wonder what would happen if you got rid of the bathmat and got a different one? Or maybe used Nature's Miracle on it?? I'm sorry I can't remember if you've said you tried that or not. I'm glad the pumpkin has helped a little. :) Also, would it be possible to put a litterbox in the bathroom for her in case she has an emergency poo? Maybe if you could just change her habit from using the bathmat and using a different litterbox that might help. I'm so glad that your vet is willing to let you make payments!! That's great news! Keep us posted on what happens!
Holly
> Thanks for the suggestion. We tried the pumpkin, and surprisingly, she > liked it! It did help firm up stools. The main problem though is not the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > Holly Bean - 20 Jun 2005 18:30 GMT I've gotten a couple of similar responses, thank you very much to all who replied. The bathroom in question is attached to my bedroom. It's a very small bathroom. Literally, there is no place to put a litter box on the floor; it's that small. Well, you could put a box, but you'd have to stand in it to brush your teeth...
I could put a small one in the tub, and take it out when I shower, but I don't relish the idea of a cat box that close to my bed. The bathmat I have now is fairly new in the past few months, but still the same behavior. When she has gone on it, I hose it out, and put it through the washer & dryer.
No incidents since last week, but she did throw up this morning. She goes in tomorrow for the endoscopy & biopsies. I'm still just hating having to spend $500, and I suppose I'm going to be really annoyed if there isn't anything wrong with her. I will post back after I find out from the vet what's going on.
Thanks again everybody for all the suggestions!
> Well now that may be something that never gets answered. When my > kitties have loose stools they always seem to make it right near the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > might help. I'm so glad that your vet is willing to let you make > payments!! That's great news! Keep us posted on what happens! Jason and Holly Harper - 20 Jun 2005 21:50 GMT Well that's a shame that there's not enough room for another litter box. It may have helped. If it happens again on the mat I would try adding some Nature's Miracle to your wash cycle....maybe it would help. I can understand being annoyed if nothing is found, but I think it'll be money well spent. Or at least I hope so. I'm very curious as to what's going on with your kitty.
Holly
> I've gotten a couple of similar responses, thank you very much to all > who replied. The bathroom in question is attached to my bedroom. It's a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > might help. I'm so glad that your vet is willing to let you make > > payments!! That's great news! Keep us posted on what happens! Diana - 18 Jun 2005 01:46 GMT Bean at noway@jose.com wrote on6/16/05 4:36 PM:
> Thanks for the suggestion. We tried the pumpkin, and surprisingly, she > liked it! It did help firm up stools. The main problem though is not the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Bean Best of luck, Bean. Meantime, I have one other suggestion that I don't think anybody has mentioned. I'd get a few litter boxes for her, and position them around the house, especially in proximity to the sites of her "accidents". I'm sure you don't want to keep cat litter in your bedroom and bathroom forever, but as a temporary measure it might save your bedspread and allow her the run of the house again. I hate to think of her being in exile in the garage, at the age of 15 and with a health issue of some kind, and I'm sure you do, too!
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JohnnyMrNinja - 18 Jun 2005 03:44 GMT It probably wouldn't hurt to allow her a small amount of plain yogurt (not very much, as dairy has it's own problems), one with active cultures. The intestines of any animal are constatly lined with various bacteria (some help digestion, some just mooch). Sometimes chronic diarrhea is caused by harmful or just unusual bacteria in the bowels. That's why Americans aren't supposed to drink the water in Mexico, it has a different kind of bacteria that our bowels aren't used to. Yogurt contains cultures of "harmless" bacteria, which take up residence in your intestines and make less room for harmful kinds. I've found my cats will always try yogurt, but get tired of it quickly, which works fine. (No bowel problems, I just buy too much yogurt).
And if she is always going in the same place then it is certainly on purpose. Perhaps she doesn't think it's the same thing as normal BMs, or some form of cat logic.Maybe a seperate uncovered litterbox on that same mat will work?
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