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Knucklehead - 25 Mar 2005 06:43 GMT
I live out in an Arizona desert where people have a terrible habit of
dumping animals they don't want.I recently rescued a cat from the
coyotes.She is quite beautiful with long white hair and I would like to
keep her but she is clawing my upholstered furniture. Can someone tell me
how to break her of this? There must be a way. Surely every cat owner
doesn't have ragged furniture.
wwwolf - 25 Mar 2005 06:36 GMT
> I live out in an Arizona desert where people have a terrible habit of
> dumping animals they don't want.I recently rescued a cat from the
> coyotes.She is quite beautiful with long white hair and I would like to
> keep her but she is clawing my upholstered furniture. Can someone tell me
> how to break her of this? There must be a way. Surely every cat owner
> doesn't have ragged furniture.

If you buy or make for her a scratching post, she will like it more instead of
your furniture.
Mel - 25 Mar 2005 07:00 GMT
Some veterinarians and pet stores carry bitter apple spray, which should not
stain upholstery and cats tend to hate the smell of.

Do you have a good quality scratch post?  Even better, a kitty condo covered
in tempting carpet, especially if rubbed with catnip, or one better, sprayed
with catnip spray.  I have two cats and always encourage them to use the
"scratch post" which is actually a previously-expensive wool area rug that I
got at a garage sale.  It was soiled, so I cleaned it (the surface still
looks greyish, but you can't see that anyway - - - it is rolled inwards) and
then rolled it tightly and then tied the carpet.  It is wedged firmly so
that it won't move.

If a scratching post is wobbly or tends to tip, many cats will not use it.
I don't blame them; that would make me nervous!

When your kitty uses the furniture, gently remove her and take her over to
her scratching area, and praise her when she uses it.  You can try to
dissaude her from using the furniture by squirting her with a water pistol
while she is in the act BUT you MUST have the alternate scratch area
prepared first, and it MUST be acceptable to her.

Another thing - - you could blunt her claws by trimming them with a cat nail
trimmer.  This is only an addition to the scratch post, not an alternative.
It is not a necessity, but when the vet that spayed my newest cat trimmed
her nails, I really appreciated it!  I have spent the last two months trying
to do the same...... *grin*  no fun.  I am petrified I will hit either the
nerve or blood vessel, and she hates it when I hold her paw firmly enough to
get the claws to pop out.

When I first moved into my apartment, many years ago, I had a lot more
space.  I used to have a very sturdy, large cat condo, covered with heavy
duty carpet.  The cats loved it - - - they could hide and play in it, and
scratch the heck out of it with minimal wear.

The bitter apple spray on the edges of your furniture should work for now,
but you do need some place for your kitty to scratch - - - this is a natural
action for cats to stretch and exercise their muscles in their toes, feet
and legs, and loosen and shed the claw sheath.

I hope at least some of this has been helpful!  I have a lot of friends with
cats, and their furniture looks just fine!  Including myself!

Melody

>I live out in an Arizona desert where people have a terrible habit of
> dumping animals they don't want.I recently rescued a cat from the
> coyotes.She is quite beautiful with long white hair and I would like to
> keep her but she is clawing my upholstered furniture. Can someone tell me
> how to break her of this? There must be a way. Surely every cat owner
> doesn't have ragged furniture.
Knucklehead - 25 Mar 2005 07:25 GMT
Thanks Mel. I had no idea cats shed a "claw sheath" Guess you can tell I
have never had an indoor cat before. Outdoor is out of the question here.I
have seen scratching posts and or towers at the swap meets. I'll get one
but I had never heard of bitter apple spray before either.
Mel - 25 Mar 2005 10:27 GMT
if you are going to try the spray, test it on an unseen area of the
furniture first!  just in case........you don't want to find out the hard
way that it stains whatever material you have.

You may occasionally find a claw lying around - - - this is just the shed
"sheath"....... I have picked up a few in my time.  I am sure most get
sucked up by the vacuum cleaner.  The claw grows out and separates........it
is kind of like a snake shedding it's skin.  Sorry, I couldn't think of a
more appealing image :)

Good luck to you and kitty!

Melody

> Thanks Mel. I had no idea cats shed a "claw sheath" Guess you can tell I
> have never had an indoor cat before. Outdoor is out of the question here.I
> have seen scratching posts and or towers at the swap meets. I'll get one
> but I had never heard of bitter apple spray before either.
Knucklehead - 25 Mar 2005 22:59 GMT
Yeah Mel, a little on the graphic side. Reminded me I'll be seeing plenty
of those slithering things around here soon as the weather straightens
out.
Knucklehead - 25 Mar 2005 23:10 GMT
Mel, think vinegar would work? It is a neutralizer. It shouldn't stain the
furniture and it doesn't smell that good. Cheaper than a professional
spray. What I'm concerned about is a matching pair of antique brocade
settees.
mlbriggs - 25 Mar 2005 23:17 GMT
> Mel, think vinegar would work? It is a neutralizer. It shouldn't stain the
> furniture and it doesn't smell that good. Cheaper than a professional
> spray. What I'm concerned about is a matching pair of antique brocade
> settees.

How about throwing a piece of sheet plastic over them when not in use?  So
it doesn't look great -- if no one is there, no one will see it.   MLB
Shadow Walker - 28 Mar 2005 13:47 GMT
That wouldn't last in my house. I have a plastic eating cat. Anything with
plastic on it he eats.

Anyone have any ideas on that.

Shadow Walker

> > Mel, think vinegar would work? It is a neutralizer. It shouldn't stain the
> > furniture and it doesn't smell that good. Cheaper than a professional
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> How about throwing a piece of sheet plastic over them when not in use?  So
> it doesn't look great -- if no one is there, no one will see it.   MLB
Dave - 29 Mar 2005 00:39 GMT
>That wouldn't last in my house. I have a plastic eating cat. Anything with
>plastic on it he eats.
>
>Anyone have any ideas on that.

I have one that licks plastic, but he doesn't usually eat it...
Knucklehead - 29 Mar 2005 06:40 GMT
MLB, I would see the sheet plastic.
Knucklehead - 29 Mar 2005 06:42 GMT
Shadow Walker you know most plastics contain toxic chemicals.
em - 29 Mar 2005 23:05 GMT
I was thinking more along the lines of those huge sheets of heavy-duty
plastic that you can get for covering furniture when you are painting.  If
your cat is going to eat that, then perhaps a couple of sheets of vinyl that
you can get cut by the yard should work.

If he eats heavy vinyl, he has some verrry strange tastes!  Do you think he
would eat the heavier drop-cloth plastic?

How about just a cloth sheet?  That would move if he tried to claw it, and
be quite the turn-off.

Mel
> That wouldn't last in my house. I have a plastic eating cat. Anything with
> plastic on it he eats.
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>> So
>> it doesn't look great -- if no one is there, no one will see it.   MLB
Mel - 25 Mar 2005 23:38 GMT
I can't help with that one. I would hate to say yes and then have it be a
problem.

It MIGHT, but . .. . . is there a vet in your area you can just phone and
ask someone there what to spray on on?  That advice should be free.  If it
is concern regarding while you are out, throwing a sheet or plastic over the
furniture when you go out should deter them.

Another thing (I used this when my 3rd cat was adopted and my dominant
female kitty had some territorial issues) you could try when you are
there............a reasonably large can with a lid filled perhaps 1/4 to 1/3
full with pennies.  If the cat goes to even put her paws on the settee where
she scratches, grab the can and shake it up and down.  It will scare the
heck out of her.  If you do this consistently, this will hopefully become an
association with scratching the furniture.  It worked with certain
"arguments" between my cats. Not a subsititute for the scratching post and
the methods others have described ie: the firm "no", taking her over to the
post, making scratching motions, praising her when she uses it.

BTW, catnip spray that I mentioned.......I bought some at Walmart
yesterday.......if you ever try it, I'd spray some on your sleeve as a
tester, try it on your cat, then go back and buy it.  The stuff I got might
as well be water.  NO scent, and the cats looked at me like What?  The toys
I sprayed it on were scentless.  What a waste of money.  I wonder where my
friend got the real stuff.

Keep us posted on your progress!

Mel
> Mel, think vinegar would work? It is a neutralizer. It shouldn't stain the
> furniture and it doesn't smell that good. Cheaper than a professional
> spray. What I'm concerned about is a matching pair of antique brocade
> settees.
Ivor Jones - 26 Mar 2005 00:32 GMT
> Mel, think vinegar would work? It is a neutralizer. It shouldn't
> stain the furniture and it doesn't smell that good. Cheaper than a
> professional spray. What I'm concerned about is a matching pair of
> antique brocade settees.

What's more important to you, your furniture or your cat..? If you really
love her, nothing else matters. We forgive everything of those we *truly*
love.

Ivor
Knucklehead - 26 Mar 2005 05:27 GMT
Ivor---it is too soon for love.I am only making a humane gesture.If I
hadn't taken her in the coyotes would have eaten her or the poor dogs that
people dump that end up crazed from dehydration,starvation or sheer fear
of the coyotes would have gotten her. One thing I didn't mention is I am
also allergic to cats but I am coping with that. I just keep her out of my
bedroom and wash my hands quickly after handling her. Soon as I have a
chance I will get a scratching post and some spray. She is trying and so
am I to make this work. There are also javelinas[wild pigs]and plenty of
snakes out here.The day I moved out here there was an emu runnung around
the property and a couple of weeks ago I found an exhausted pelican out
here.Maybe love will come later, right now it is survival and tolerance.  
                                                                         
                                                                         
                                                                         
                                                                   
L. Kuller - 29 Mar 2005 22:56 GMT
You could try those nail caps, I think they are called soft paws, also you
can buy something called sticky paws to put on your furniture, it is a
very thin double sticky tape that doesn't harm furniture.  Put in in the
places where she scraches.  It worked great for me and is nearly
invisible.  YOu can buy it at most pet supply places like Petsmart, Petco
etc.  Good luck.

> Some veterinarians and pet stores carry bitter apple spray, which should not
> stain upholstery and cats tend to hate the smell of.
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>> how to break her of this? There must be a way. Surely every cat owner
>> doesn't have ragged furniture.
Knucklehead - 30 Mar 2005 01:04 GMT
Man, what an experience. I went to the swap meet Sat. in hopes of finding a
scratching post or cat condo. Holy cow! I found what I guess is called a
tower not a condo because it didn't have any little rooms on it just
platforms. This thing must have been 7 feet tall and was built out of
pressed wood covered with carpet. The post part was covered with rope.I'll
tell you folks --I don't want a monster like that in my house. I can just
see me telling my friends"hey come over and see my new conversation piece,
and oh, by the way don't get hurt trying to get around it" I couldn't even
lift this thing.I found a couple of scraching posts but they weren't tall
enough.Only about 12". Must be for kittens, I would guess. I really am
hept-up about the "soft paws". Next time I get to town I'm going to a pet
supply store.Probably Fri. April 1st since it is my birthday[that's no
April fool].
Diana - 30 Mar 2005 21:28 GMT
Knucklehead at terry5660@nospam.peoplepc.com wrote on3/29/05 7:04 PM:

> Man, what an experience. I went to the swap meet Sat. in hopes of finding a
> scratching post or cat condo. Holy cow! I found what I guess is called a
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> supply store.Probably Fri. April 1st since it is my birthday[that's no
> April fool].

I have a cat condo _and_ a cat tower in my house.  They had to be big and
heavy for my Maine Coons.  One is in the cats' room (aka laundry room), and
the other is in our bedroom.  They're just part of the furniture, as far as
I'm concerned.  My friends think they're marvelous, or at least have the
good sense to pretend to!
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Jeffrey Kaplan - 31 Mar 2005 00:05 GMT
It is alleged that Mel claimed:

; with catnip spray.  

I tried catnip spray.  It didn't smell like catnip, and barely smelled
like mint.  And it had the opposite effect on my new kitten.  Rather
than attracting her to the sprayed object, it repulsed her from the
object.

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Dave - 31 Mar 2005 02:02 GMT
>It is alleged that Mel claimed:
>
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>than attracting her to the sprayed object, it repulsed her from the
>object.

I've had good luck with a couple catnip sprays, one the cats just lick
off of wherever I spray it, the other they sniff a bit but lose interest
quickly.

Neither of them smell like catnip or at all minty as far as I can tell.
wwwolf - 31 Mar 2005 02:18 GMT
If you have the solubility data for nepatolactone (the active ingredient in
catnip) you could make your own catnip spray.
Victor Martinez - 25 Mar 2005 15:12 GMT
> keep her but she is clawing my upholstered furniture. Can someone tell me
> how to break her of this? There must be a way. Surely every cat owner
> doesn't have ragged furniture.

It takes time and patience, but you *can* train a cat not to scratch
furniture. First of all, you should have several scratching posts made
of different materials (some cats prefer rope, some carpet) around the
house. Every time you see the cat scratching your furniture, yell "NO!",
then pick her up and take her to the scratching post. Every time you see
her scratching her posts, say "Good kitty" and pet her. She will learn
to identify good behavior and the rewards that come with it.

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Knucklehead - 25 Mar 2005 22:52 GMT
Thanks for the advice Victor. Boy, I'm finding out this is a whole
different ball game from having outdoor cats. Even that has been a number
of years.Kind of stuck with dogs but didn't have any pets when I found
her.She was pretty skinny and now she has either put on a lot of weight
alfully fast or she is pregnant. That's all I need.
Mel - 25 Mar 2005 23:45 GMT
Has she been eating a lot?  My SPCA rescue has put on FOUR pounds since
January 23rd!  What a little porker!  She eats like she thinks there will be
no food in the next hour!  (Coming from a home with 35 other cats/16 dogs, I
can see why she is like this.)

I know she is not pregnant because she went straight from SPCA to their
contracted vet clinic to have her spay done.  This is how they ensure that
cats old enough to be altered are actually done, not that people pay for the
procedure in the fees, then just let it go.

Do you have a veterinary clinic in the area that you can take her to?  If
she is pregnant, instead of being a worried "grandfather" *S* they would
probably be able to tell you if you are worrying needlessly or not.  Perhaps
the clinic would be willing to take the babies in and find homes for them,
know of an aanimal rescue group who can help, or put you in touch with the
local SPCA so that they can prepare for the babies when they are old enough.
You kindly took this poor kitty in, so if she is unexpectedly pregnant, I am
sure one of the animal organizations will be willing to help out with the
babies.

Hmmm, I do believe that I must learn the art of brevity.  But I hope I am
helping you at least a bit with my long-winded posts :)  Hopefully you do
not feel so alone in this :)

Melody
> Thanks for the advice Victor. Boy, I'm finding out this is a whole
> different ball game from having outdoor cats. Even that has been a number
> of years.Kind of stuck with dogs but didn't have any pets when I found
> her.She was pretty skinny and now she has either put on a lot of weight
> alfully fast or she is pregnant. That's all I need.
Knucklehead - 26 Mar 2005 05:42 GMT
Mel, I enjoy your "long winded posts" as you put it. Please feel free to
e-mail me if you would like to chat.I get pretty lonely out here since my
beloved dog "Midget" of twelve years died and then my husband passed away.
I'm all alone except for the cat now.Depending on the circumstance I
either call her "Kitty" or "Knucklehead". If anyone else would care to
correspond about pets or whatever please use my e-mail address so we don't
"tie up the lines" here. Thanks
Lola Michaels - 29 Mar 2005 03:05 GMT
Try this site:  http://www.softpaws.com/

They sell vinyl caps that are glued on your cat's nails.  I've used them on
my boys for 10 years with no problems and no complaints from the cats.
They fall off whenever a new nail grows in (cat nails grow differently from
ours) and you just glue on a new one.  

I know a lot of people suggest behavioral solutions (provide scratching
post, etc), but if that doesn't work, as it didn't for me, the claw caps
are safe and effective.
Knucklehead - 29 Mar 2005 06:50 GMT
Thanks Lola I'll check it out.Seems ridiculous but you sound serious.
Knucklehead - 29 Mar 2005 07:02 GMT
Aw, that kitty photo gallery on softpaws.com is so cute. All those little
ones with their little red and blue nail caps.Geeeeeeeeesss!
Teri - 30 Mar 2005 15:59 GMT
Surely every cat owner doesn't have ragged furniture.

Knucklehead,

I used to have raggedy furniture until I started using the Feliway plug ins.
Spray Feliway is available as well. I rescue feral and special needs cats so
rarely have less than a houseful at one time. Since starting Feliway and adding
towers and scratch posts along with attention with the laser pointer the
scratching has dwindled to VERY little. Of course there's always a slip up just
as if they were kids. The Feliway also helps stop nervousness, fighting, marking
their territory and helps calm my "kids" when a new member is introduced to the
family. It's a little expensive at the pet stores but I find good deals for this
on eBay. Hope this helps you as much as it has helped me.

Teri

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