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Cin - 16 Mar 2005 08:31 GMT
Hi everyone, My name is Cin and i live in Australia.

This is the first time i have posted here. I need a bit of help!!

I am owned by a 4 year old Cat, Bella (from RSPCA at the age of around 3
months) a 19 month old Bull Terrier, Atlas and a 4 ft tropical fish tank.

This is a fantastic componation. The Dog and Cat LOVE each other and the Cat
sleeps on the fish tank.

Anyway. I went to the RSPCA today (I just opened a pet sitting business and
was droping some info off to them) and went in to one of the offices, a 1
year old Gray and Pink cat started plaing with me. (I will have to post
photos somewhere, this is one different looking cat!!)

Well.... Friday I pick "Bonnie" up from the vet after being desexed.

Ok, frist question. How do i go about intros with the 2 cats? Atlas will be
fine, he is a bit rough at time but the cat has LOSTS of high places to
hide, as well as a cat flap into the laundry where Atlas can go.
I live alone so if need be the cats can be kept in different rooms for a
while, Bonnie has been with other cats and had no problems, Bella will be
the problem, IF there is any!!

Second, what do you think about a name change? I dont want to have a Bell
and a Bonnie, but she is used to Bonnie so i dont want to stress her too
much.

Third. She was abused, they fround her dumped, she has had a broken tail and
is a bit shy at first. Any ideas how to keep her happy? As i said, i live
alone, so i can keep peopl eout untill she gets used to it.

fourth!! What do i need? 2 of everything? They are both inside cats (no nice
clothes anymore.... all cat fured...._

Thanks everyone!!

Cin, Bella, Atlas and Bonnie (maybe!)

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Spider - 16 Mar 2005 19:00 GMT
> Hi everyone, My name is Cin and i live in Australia.
>
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> in sideways - Champagne in one hand, chocolate in the other - body
> thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming - WOO HOO! What a Ride!"

Hi Cin,

The obvious answer is to ask your RSPCA contact for advice.  You will
certainly need two litter trays, two wet food dishes, two dry food dishes,
two water dishes.  At first they will need separate toys.  Eventually, they
will share these .. but in the meantime support each cat's right to its
possessions.

From personal experience,when you introduce them I would suggest you close
all doors and windows!  Bella is quite likely to spit, scream and scratch
and explode in every direction.  She will feel SO betrayed.  It is essential
that you hug her most, not Bonnie, and reassure her as much as possible.
Explain/insist that Bonnie is there to live with you both and that she
(Bella) will have to get used to it.  Encourage contact, but do not force
it.  The multitude of hiding places is very useful (as much for Bonnie as
Bella) .. but no cat wants to spend its life hiding.  From now on, Bella is
No.1 cat.  Call her first, put her dinner down first (only seconds before
Bonnie's - you don't want to tease the new cat).  Praise Bella for entering
a room where Bonnie is .. scold her gently if she then spits, etc.  Whatever
else you do, don't allow Bonnie to do something you have never allowed Bella
to do.  House rules (if you have them) must be equal for both cats.

This may take many weeks and heaps of patience.  My Cheetah hated Panther on
sight and made no secret of it.  I proceeded as above (I already knew it
worked - done it before!); I also made special time for Cheetah when Panther
was in a different room so that she still felt wanted by me, and special.

After some weeks together there was an improvement.  The big catalyst for
mutual acceptance came after they were parted for a week (one in cattery,
one with Cat Rescue).  They missed each other .. or the rather hostile
playfighting!  Even after 6 months there is still some jealousy (there
always will be), but they play together, playfight together, eat together ..
even sleep together on a cold night.  Just try and understand how each cat
feels, and be very patient.

NB:  After a bout of fighting, check each cat for injury - especially eye
injury.  Most important of all: always check Bella first.

As to the name change, if you must change it, try and keep it similar in
sound .. like Donnie/Donna.  If that doesn't suit, combine the old and new
name.  For example, if you decide to call her Tiger, start by calling her
Bonnie Tiger.  Keep this up for some time, then increase the Tiger name.  It
helps that Bonnie is an adjective.

Good luck.

Spider
Diana - 16 Mar 2005 20:30 GMT
Spider at Spider@nospam.com wrote on3/16/05 1:00 PM:

>> Hi everyone, My name is Cin and i live in Australia.
>>
>> This is the first time i have posted here. I need a bit of help!!
[snip]

> Hi Cin,
>
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> else you do, don't allow Bonnie to do something you have never allowed Bella
> to do.  House rules (if you have them) must be equal for both cats.
[snip]

Welcome, Cin.  You got such great advice from Spider that I'm not going to
add to it.  Just wanted to wish you and your animal family well.  Hope to
hear more about them!
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Cin - 18 Mar 2005 01:23 GMT
> Welcome, Cin.  You got such great advice from Spider that I'm not going to
> add to it.  Just wanted to wish you and your animal family well.  Hope to
> hear more about them!

Thank you

Cin

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Cin - 18 Mar 2005 01:22 GMT
Hi Cin,

> The obvious answer is to ask your RSPCA contact for advice.  You will
> certainly need two litter trays, two wet food dishes, two dry food dishes,
> two water dishes.

Ok, Already got all of that!

At first they will need separate toys.  Eventually, they
> will share these .. but in the meantime support each cat's right to its
> possessions.

Ok

Are cas like dogs in the way they work problems out? Will they have a fight
and get over it? Is there a top cat and a bottom cat? I am dog wise, but not
cat wise!!

Thanks for the help. I pick her up in 5 hours!!!

My dog has to goto the vets so i arranged "Bonnie" to come along for a check
up. She is coming from the vets, but not the one i usually goto, so i
thought it would be an idea to let them meet her while she was already out
and about (Bella loves car rides, but i know most cats dont!)

Thanks again

Cin
Spider - 18 Mar 2005 14:21 GMT
> Hi Cin,
> >
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> and get over it? Is there a top cat and a bottom cat? I am dog wise, but not
> cat wise!!

Cats will work their problems out.  Even the big wild cats rarely risk
fighting to the death - or even risk serious injury.  Usually there is a
stand off.  If you understand dogs, you will know that dogs have a 'top dog'
who leads the pack.  Within a domestic household, YOU are top dog  .. you
are also 'top cat' .. then Bella is cat no. 1, and Bonnie is cat no.2.
Your dog, Atlas, is a different species and the cats will recognise this.
It is good that Bella gets on with Atlas, but don't oblige Bonnie to make a
friendship she doesn't want.  If Atlas doesn't threaten her (and that means
if SHE perceives herself to be threatened, regardless of your opinion), she
may learn this and accept him.

> Thanks for the help. I pick her up in 5 hours!!!
>
> My dog has to goto the vets so i arranged "Bonnie" to come along for a check
> up. She is coming from the vets, but not the one i usually goto, so i
> thought it would be an idea to let them meet her while she was already out
> and about (Bella loves car rides, but i know most cats dont!)

When I collected Panther (my second and younger cat) from Cat Rescue, I
suggested taking Cheetah along so they could meet.  Cat Rescue strongly
recommended against this.  I now understand this perfectly.  Your Bella will
meet Bonnie for the first time not on neutral territory or her own, but on
Bonnie's territory.  Bella will feel wrong-footed (wrong-pawed?); Bonnie
will feel that she is top cat because she is on her territory when they
meet.  Subsequently, this will be reversed at your home.  It is bound to
cause trouble.   I may be too late to prevent you doing this, so I wish you
all the luck in the world.  Do let us all know how you get on.

Spider

> Thanks again
>
> Cin
Cin - 19 Mar 2005 03:39 GMT
> Cats will work their problems out.  Even the big wild cats rarely risk
> fighting to the death - or even risk serious injury.  Usually there is a
> stand off.

I was watching them last night and the both growled and hissed, then one
would walk off. The new cat.... "Phantom" (finally got a name!) seems to be
scaring Bella the most.

Improvement, Bella walked into the laundy this afternoon and ate some
food... Phantom hasnt left the room, so bell wont go in there!

> It is good that Bella gets on with Atlas, but don't oblige Bonnie to make
> a
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> she
> may learn this and accept him.

I think that is getting a bit better, Atlas was outside and Phant was
sitting near the door sniffing his back and watching him through it. Its
just that Atlas is such an over the top dog. They will sort it out. They
will never be left unattended.

> When I collected Panther (my second and younger cat) from Cat Rescue, I
> suggested taking Cheetah along so they could meet.  Cat Rescue strongly
> recommended against this.  I now understand this perfectly.

It does make sence. They met here at home. I was fearing for the worst, but
it hasnt been that bad yet.

Now, Phantom isnt walking around yet, still just happy to sleep all day (she
was desexed yesterday)

How do i go about teaching her the cat flap?
Bella got it right away, but i dont know how she will go.

Its getting cold and i really want to laundry door kept closed!!

Thanks for all the help

Cin
Spider - 19 Mar 2005 12:04 GMT
> > Cats will work their problems out.  Even the big wild cats rarely risk
> > fighting to the death - or even risk serious injury.  Usually there is a
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>
> Cin

Hi Cin (and welcome Phantom),

It sounds as if you've got it under control.  I hope things continue to
improve.

Before you try cat flap training, it would be wise (once she's fully
recovered from the op) to walk her around your garden on a harness and lead.
She should take to this quite well if she's fairly young.  This way you'll
see how she reacts to noises, passing people and animals.  If she's really
frightened, she may bolt and you may never see her again.  Not a happy
outcome for either of you.  Don't be in a hurry to get her outside.  Vets
and cat welfare people over here now advise keeping a cat indoors for 5-6
months so they are less likely to stray.

When she's ready for the cat flap, simply introduce her to it and let her
see how it swings both ways; she may just leap through happily.  If not, try
tempting her through with biscuits or a favourite treat.  Most cats get the
hang of a cat flap fairly easily.  With some cats it is necessary to teach
them to head-butt it!  You may have to physically push her head against it
and push her through from behind.  I find saying 'push it with your head' at
the same time helps.  The cats learn this phrase, so you can even use it
remotely if they're pussy-footing around!  I have occasionally experienced a
problem with nervous cats returning through the flap.  They don't want to
leap through, so gently push a paw through.  The problem comes when they
decide not to come in after all, but the bottom edge of the flap has trapped
their toes against the floor of the opening.  It is obviously painful and
frightening; kitty shrieks and tries to pull paw out against the tightening
flap.  Try and free her gently whilst talking to calm her.  If this doesn't
work you may have to grit your teeth and push the flap to free her.  Neither
of you will like it!......

.... When this happened very many times with Shandy (now dead), I rigged the
flap to ease the problem.  Our (English) flap is made by Staywell.  It has a
swinging frame which allows the flap to open both ways.  When I rigged the
flap for Shandy, I simply tied a length of cord around the bottom edge of
the swinging frame, then tied the other end around the door handle so that
the frame was suspended above the opening.  With this done, the flap plate
swung freely, so kitty could use it until she gained confidence.  This will
make your room more draughty, but at least there won't be a gaping hole.   I
hope all goes well and these problems never arise.

Regards,
Spider
Cin - 19 Mar 2005 20:07 GMT
> Hi Cin (and welcome Phantom),
>
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> She should take to this quite well if she's fairly young.  This way you'll
> see how she reacts to noises, passing people and animals.

Sorry, i should have stated! My cats are indoor cats, the cat flap is only
in the door between the kitchen and the laundery, There are just too many
ferel cats around to let my girls out, they would have no hope.

When she's ready for the cat flap, simply introduce her to it and let her
> see how it swings both ways; she may just leap through happily.

Nope, already tried it , i did the headbutt thing and she seemed ok with it.

We will give her a few days and see what happens!

Thanks

Cin
chrisoakey@msn.com - 20 Mar 2005 18:55 GMT
Change of name, make is sound similar, like, instead of Bonnie, you
could have "honey"
Spider - 21 Mar 2005 11:23 GMT
> > Hi Cin (and welcome Phantom),
> >
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>
> Cin

Hi Cin,

Oh, I see!  That makes life much easier.  She's only got to jump from one
familiar place to another.  I'm glad she coped with the head-butting lesson.
You've obviously got an intelligent cat there.  Well done, both of you.

Spider

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