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Russ  Adams - 14 Feb 2005 05:52 GMT
I have a cat named Athena whom I recently let outdoors. (2 days ago)
She hung around from Friday night to Saturday evening.  This morning
(Sunday morning) I received a phone call from a church about a mile
away.  They had apparently found Athena's collar in the road next to
the church.  I'm very concerned now as it has been around 30 hours
since I saw her.

She's new to the area and has only been an outdoor cat for a couple of
days.  She has been known to crawl into car engines (she's done that 4
or 5 times now).  I'm very worried right now.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Russ
mlbriggs - 14 Feb 2005 06:17 GMT
> I have a cat named Athena whom I recently let outdoors. (2 days ago)
> She hung around from Friday night to Saturday evening.  This morning
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>
> Russ

Talk about closing the barn door after the horse has gone!
Why did you put her out alone?  And then leave her out all night?
All you  can do now is try to find her and pray she is still alive.
Purrs for the poor lost kitty.
Russ  Adams - 14 Feb 2005 06:25 GMT
I hate to be rude, but you're a real bastard.  I did not put her
outside all alone, and I certainly didn't shut the door behind her.  I
didn't ask for your judgement, I asked for your advice.
rinse cycle - 14 Feb 2005 10:50 GMT
> I hate to be rude, but you're a real bastard.

Outrageous.

By your own admission, the cat is in a new/strange area.  You also admit
that she's only been an outside cat for a couple of days.  Regardless of
that, you still let her wander off.

If you ever see her again, I seriously suggest you re-think your role as a
feline companion.

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David Stevenson - 14 Feb 2005 17:14 GMT
>> I hate to be rude, but you're a real bastard.
>
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>If you ever see her again, I seriously suggest you re-think your role as a
>feline companion.

  People make mistakes, and I bet the two people who have criticised in
such a nasty way have made mistakes at some time in their lives.

  When someone makes a mistake with serious consequences from which they
are likely to suffer it takes a seriously shitty person to criticise
them for those mistakes.

  I think the two people who criticised should re-evaluate their own
selves and their attitudes.

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  On my Catpage, there are two articles on this subject, namely:

                           Finding your Lost Cat

                    by Sharon Talbert, Seattle, WA, USA

                      with an addendum by Jenna Steele

                      http://blakjak.com/lost_cat.htm

                             Lost Cat Behaviour

                by Kat Albrecht, Santa Cruz, California USA

                      http://blakjak.com/lost_ct1.htm

  There are also links to a couple of other places.  I hope that the
advice in these articles helps, and that you find your lost cat.

  Both these articles are available as emails on request from me at
David Stevenson <cat2@blakjak.com>.  Just ask for

        Item 12: Finding your Lost Cat by Sharon Talbert
        Item 13: Lost Cat Behaviour by Kat Albrecht

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Mike Z. Helm - 14 Feb 2005 19:10 GMT
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:14:32 +0000 (UTC), David Stevenson
<cat2@nospam.demon.co.uk>

>>If you ever see her again, I seriously suggest you re-think your role as a
>>feline companion.
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>are likely to suffer it takes a seriously shitty person to criticise
>them for those mistakes.

It would be one thing if the only one to suffer was the one who made the
mistake.

It's a completely different issue when someone does something that
results in needless suffering of another living being.

HTH

>   I think the two people who criticised should re-evaluate their own
>selves and their attitudes.
David Stevenson - 14 Feb 2005 23:14 GMT
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:14:32 +0000 (UTC), David Stevenson
><cat2@nospam.demon.co.uk>
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>
>HTH

  No, it isn't.  No doubt you have made a mistake sometime in your life
which has made other people suffer.  You have no doubt felt terrible.
That did not give people the right to act as total sh.ts.

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Mike Z. Helm - 15 Feb 2005 01:22 GMT
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:14:48 +0000 (UTC), David Stevenson
<cat2@nospam.demon.co.uk>

>>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:14:32 +0000 (UTC), David Stevenson
>><cat2@nospam.demon.co.uk>
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>   No, it isn't.  No doubt you have made a mistake sometime in your life
>which has made other people suffer.  

Hmm - let me think about that.  No, I don't think I've ever physically
made any living being suffer through a mistake I've made, but if I had
or if I'm forgetting something, then criticism would be appropriate.

Okay, my memory just kicked in - I do remember 1 instance of my hurting
my cat (of all people) once.

I came home and I did look to make sure she didn't slip past me as I
entered, but she somehow managed to do so without my seeing her.  I then
shut the door and she got caught in it.  

I'm not sure that actually qualifies as "suffering", but she was in pain
for a brief instant and she squealed and ran and hid afterward (inside
where it was safer), but 5 minutes later she acted as if nothing had
happened - except now she doesn't try to dart outside whenever the door
opens, so some good actually came of it.

I suppose you can criticize me for this, but there is 1 big difference
and that is that I did not mean to shut the door on her.  

The OP did intentionally let his indoor cat go outdoors in a new
neighborhood.  He didn't even indicate that he knew the neighborhood
would be relatively safe for his pet.  He doesn't say where he lives, so
I won't conjecture at specific dangers, but that could be deadly in some
places.  In fact, couldn't simply climbing into a car engine turn
deadly?

>You have no doubt felt terrible.

In the above case, I did feel terrible for an instant, then I merely
felt bad for a little while, but I got over it rather quickly.  Had I
intentionally hurt her, I would still feel bad about it now.

>That did not give people the right to act as total sh.ts.

I see you're posting from the UK and I know you have some limitations on
free speech there, but in the US we are still free to say things even if
you feel it makes us look like "total sh.ts".

The first poster, who you chastised was actually very nice about it I
thought.

Reproduced here:

| Talk about closing the barn door after the horse has gone!

That's too harsh for you?

| Why did you put her out alone?  And then leave her out all night?

Valid questions

| All you  can do now is try to find her and pray she is still alive.

Sound advice

| Purrs for the poor lost kitty.

Sympathy for the missing's plight.

That all seems fairly polite to me, especially considering the situation
and the medium (usenet).  Then the OP comes back and calls him/her "a
real bastard" and claims he didn't do what he had just admitted to doing
(leaving her outside all alone).

"rinse cycle" wasn't quite so polite, but by that point the OP had
already flipped out and started calling reasonable people "real
bastards".  But even after that, the worst thing he said was
"Outrageous".

It seems to me the only "total sh.ts" in this thread are you and the OP.
mlbriggs - 15 Feb 2005 19:00 GMT
> I hate to be rude, but you're a real bastard.  I did not put her
> outside all alone, and I certainly didn't shut the door behind her.  I
> didn't ask for your judgement, I asked for your advice.

My advice was to pray.
BC - 14 Feb 2005 12:22 GMT
Russ Adams wrote:
> I have a cat named Athena whom I recently let outdoors. (2 days ago)
> She hung around from Friday night to Saturday evening.  This morning
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>
> Russ

I'm a bit confused, was she an outdoor cat at a previous home?  If so
was it far away and how long did you keep her in at her new home before
letting her out?  Have you rang ALL the local shelters and vets?  You
could try knocking on a few doors where the collar was found just in
case someone living there picked her up, even a few posters in the area
might help.  I really hope you find her safe and well.

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Ivor Jones - 14 Feb 2005 17:10 GMT
>I have a cat named Athena whom I recently let outdoors. (2 days ago)
> She hung around from Friday night to Saturday evening.  This morning
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Russ

I know this won't stop you worrying, but I feel for you. Don't take any
notice of the trolls and others who say you should keep a cat indoors all
the time, I'll never agree with that, but you should take precautions.

How long has she lived at your current address..? At the shelter where I
volunteer, we always advise new owners to keep the cat indoors for at
least three to four weeks before allowing them out. When you do so, stay
with them for the first few times.

Is she microchipped..? This is a *must* in my view, collar or no collar.
We chip all cats before they leave our shelter.

All I can suggest is that you mount a poster campaign in the area. Put
flyers up on lamp posts, trees, anywhere and everywhere. Contact all the
local vets and maybe even the police. Contact any rescue shelters in your
area, or any animal rescue organisations. I don't know in which country
you live so I can't advise you of names or other details, but here in the
UK it would be Cats Protection, RSPCA etc.

All the best and I do hope you find her safe and well. Cats have been
known to walk hundreds of miles back to their original homes when the
owners move, have you done this recently..? Contact your old neighbours
and ask them to keep an eye open.

All the best once again,

Ivor
Russ  Adams - 14 Feb 2005 18:55 GMT
Thank you for the advice and tolerance.

Russ
Dizzy Dean - 15 Feb 2005 18:37 GMT
BC & Ivor are onto something, Russ -

We once had a cat that refused to live at her "new" home and would trek
across town - busy streets, fences, dogs and all - to return to "her" home,
the place where she pretty well grew up.

I can't remember the number of times we retrieved her only to have her
hightail it at her first opportunity.

The only way we cured her was to make her an "indoor" variety.  She adapted
quite well, and we both slept better...

..keep in touch with the "hood" from which she came until this option is
ruled out.  Meanwhile, good luck, man!

> >I have a cat named Athena whom I recently let outdoors. (2 days ago)
> > She hung around from Friday night to Saturday evening.  This morning
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>
> Ivor
BC - 16 Feb 2005 12:39 GMT
> BC & Ivor are onto something, Russ -
>
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> ..keep in touch with the "hood" from which she came until this option is
> ruled out.  Meanwhile, good luck, man!

The other thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is to check your local
paper and perhaps put an ad in it under lost and found.  Dont forget to
check every days paper since Athena went missing, I have known this
method to work in the past with a neighbours cat.   And again good luck.

>>>I have a cat named Athena whom I recently let outdoors. (2 days ago)
>>>She hung around from Friday night to Saturday evening.  This morning
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>>
>>Ivor

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Karin Gillette - 15 Feb 2005 00:09 GMT
Cats have there own time frames.

We have an abandoned cat that has semi adopted us.  We put out food when she
appears but she will not get within 5 feet of us.  WE don't leave food out
as we don't want to feed every animal in the neighborhood. We are assuming
it is a she.  Neighbors moved and left all three cats on there own.  Two
have found permanent homes in the neighborhood but this one has not attached
itself to any one home.

I guess what I am trying to say is that she is probably on an adventure.
The fact that the collar was found means that she did not get trapped
somewhere and strangled by her collar.  As some one else has mentioned she
may have tried to go back to her own home if she was not feeling like she
was "home".  When, or if,  you are able to put up flyers be sure to put some
up near the old home if possible.  Especially if it is fairly near.

Keep your chin up.  You will find her!

> I have a cat named Athena whom I recently let outdoors. (2 days ago)
> She hung around from Friday night to Saturday evening.  This morning
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>
> Russ
 
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