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Rationalizing having a cat
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Catcher - 09 Feb 2005 11:04 GMT I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, and even cat sitting for a friend for a week. The main reason that has been stopping me is that I cannot rationalize getting one -- a cat (or any other pet) is not going to make me rich or improve my career, or help me with household chores, or make me a smarter/wiser/better person (or will it?).
Though my heart says yes, my mind does a cost benefit analysis and says no. Do you, as a cat owner, have any input on this? How does a cat affect your life besides companionship, entertainment and effort on caring for your pet?
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Sandra - 09 Feb 2005 13:14 GMT There are many things in life that can not be rationalized. There are some times when you should go with your heart and not your head.
Yes a cat will cost in many ways, but the happiness that they can bring could be worth it. Also you may be giving a home to a cat that really needs one.
A lot of people drive cars for example, but how many drive a basic model if they can afford and want something better? Realistically, all they need is something that will go from A to B, but a lot of luxury cars are sold!
Yes they are good entertainment, may even help to lower blood pressure, are able to be both loving and infuriating. (In the right circumstances they may even act as insect or rodent control.)
The real deal here is if you are able and willing to put the effort and money into keeping a cat in the style to which it would like to become accustomed, ie loved,warm ,dry, well fed, vaccinated, clean and cared for. If not, don't bother.
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Ivor Jones - 09 Feb 2005 14:25 GMT > I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year > and a half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Catcher I cannot in all seriousness believe you're asking this question. If you love cats, then you love cats and you will do *anything* for them. Rationality doesn't enter into it..! When I first saw my Missy at the rescue shelter (where I now spend hours and hours volunteering..!) I *knew* from that precise moment that she would be mine and I would look after her for the rest of her life. She knew as well, I swear I heard the words "take me home" :-)
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Gary Stone - 09 Feb 2005 14:25 GMT >I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a > half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Catcher I have Multiple Sclerosis and am on a very limited income. I was where you're at. Took the plunge and got not only one, but two. I must say that they are worth every cent needed to care for them. I am single, live alone out in the boonies and they keep me company and are really quite funny. I also have lost a ton of weight and am back to where I should be at 220 lbs dropped 35 pounds. They earn their keep in keeping the rodent population in check and even bring home rabbits which I will cook up for the 3 of us. Surprises?, you bet, some funny, some not so funny. Wouldn't have it any other way. It goes something like this, (I'll repeat myself here) Up, down, in, out, play with me, feed me, scoop the poop, pet me, no! I'm on the computer now. One is a lover quick to jump on a lap and quick with a lick. The other is a hunter who shows her affection by merely sitting next to you, an occasional lick but never more than two. They will call me out to go hunting with them and they love to go out to the wood pile with me. They also go for walks with me. I was blown away at how many different ways they have to communicate with me and equally surprised at a limitless supply of facial expressions and looks they can throw your way. What they add besides companionship and entertainment, is love that goes both ways, that is in my estimation, is priceless. Glad I got them.
Stone
Holly - 09 Feb 2005 15:41 GMT Well said Stone, You definatly summed it all up. I can't imagine my life with out cats and worry so much about them, I know they are going to out live me and I worry what will happen to them once I am gone. If anyone has ever known the companionship of a cat will be able to tell you that they are alot like the American Express comercial. Priceless.
Noon Cat Nick - 09 Feb 2005 18:01 GMT > I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a > half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > affect your life besides companionship, entertainment and effort on > caring for your pet? Having a companion animal is an act of the heart, not the head. If your predominant concern is with the financial bottom line or the physical usefulness of the creature, then you should never have cats. You probably should never have children, either; a baby won't make you rich, improve your career, help you with household chores, or (despite what the movies say) make you smarter/wiser/better, either.
Then again, a cat can educate you in at least one fashion. If you carry a cat by its tail, I guarantee you'll learn a lesson that you'll never learn in any other way.
Mike Z. Helm - 09 Feb 2005 19:41 GMT On 9 Feb 2005 03:04:33 -0800, "Catcher" <accounts@subburam.org>
>I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a >half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >help me with household chores, or make me a smarter/wiser/better person >(or will it?). No - NOTHING will make you smarter/wiser/better. You're a lost cause. You will NEVER know happiness or peace because that won't make you a smarter/wiser/better person either - at least in your own mind.
>Though my heart says yes, my mind does a cost benefit analysis and says >no. Do you, as a cat owner, have any input on this? How does a cat >affect your life besides companionship, entertainment and effort on >caring for your pet? > >Catcher Diana - 09 Feb 2005 23:07 GMT Catcher at accounts@subburam.org wrote on2/9/05 6:04 AM:
> I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a > half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Catcher Well, Catcher, you've gotten some right-on feedback from several others on this. My 2¢: look at the research showing that pet owners show fewer stress-related health problems and tend to live longer, if you need a rationale. Or, just use your head and make the connection between your existing concept of "companionship, entertainment and effort" and improved quality of life, including vocational success, I might add. That said, I would never recommend that someone have a pet who either cannot afford the cost of caring well for it, or who would be primarily interested in being personally benefited by it. Most of us begin by seeking to have our pets benefit from the arrangement. But if your heart says yes, you are probably a good person who would love a pet. Perhaps you're just not used to being nice to yourself without some sort of justification.
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Catcher - 10 Feb 2005 14:44 GMT Thanks for your comments, all who decided I was not trolling :-); particularly Diana, who had some insight in her reply.
I looked up what the Web yielded with regards to health benefits of pet ownership and found the following informative web page which has many links to relevant articles.
http://www.deltasociety.org/dsc000.htm
I am going to go ahead and start searching for a cat. It has been a decision long in the making, as I had realized that it involves more than a little commitment.
I think I will go lurk now, and surface when I have more questions :-).
Catcher
Zathras - 09 Feb 2005 23:11 GMT >I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a >half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >affect your life besides companionship, entertainment and effort on >caring for your pet? A CBA of having children should result in no children being born, yet there are.
There are hidden benefits to cat companionship. There is a correlation with pet ownership and better health, probably due to lower stress. My cats make me feel good just thinking about them while I'm away from them. They can affect your behavior by making you a nicer, more polite person. So, yes, cat ownership can make you a better person.
As for being rich, remember that wealth is not just measured in terms of your bank account, but what you value. The amount you value something you have can make you rich. To others, cats aren't particularly valuable (see local shelters). But you can have tremendous value in your cat from the bond that your form with it. So the cat that is of no value to others may be priceless to you. That's not so strange, is it? Every single thing in the world is valued differently by different people. So, sure, it can make you rich, just not in the traditional form of material wealth. That's why some that most others would consider extremely poor feel like they are extremely rich. It's all about what you value.
In the end, getting a cat is a commitment to friendship and, as others have said, an act of the heart. If the thought of having a lovable furball doesn't make you all warm and fuzzy inside, then the potential bond that would justify getting a cat just isn't there.
DL Farnworth - 09 Feb 2005 23:19 GMT | I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a | half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | | Catcher Probably the best thing a cat can do is teach you to follow your heart.
Flustered - 10 Feb 2005 13:49 GMT Im sorry, and I dont want to be mean, but if you have spent a year (a year? seriously?) on determining whether or not to get a cat and then you do a 'cost benefit analysis' then its likely you would make a pretty poor cat owner. Its not something you decide to do after all the analysis is over. You decide things like this with your heart, not your calculator.
> I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a > half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Catcher Phil P. - 10 Feb 2005 16:46 GMT > I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a > half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > help me with household chores, or make me a smarter/wiser/better person > (or will it?). A cat will certainly make you smarter/wiser/better person as well as enrich your life. A cat will certainly teach you patience as well as the difference between aplomb and arrogance.
Most importantly, a cat will teach you that there's always time for a nap and that its ok to wear the same thing everyday! ;-)
Just remember, dogs have owners; cats have staff!
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philo - 10 Feb 2005 19:16 GMT > I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a > half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Catcher i think youare being silly:
having a cat is almost like having a young (human) kid in the house...
no one says : well dear, before we have a child, let's do a cost analysis
just go out an get the dang cat already... i'm sure you will love it !
and they certainly are less expensive than having children :)
pablo - 10 Feb 2005 23:45 GMT You just don't get it. If you (1) have to ask and (2) have to subject this process to a cost analysis, please do us all a favor and forget the whole thing! Go buy some rice cakes and drink a Tab.
> I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a > half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Catcher Amy Gray - 11 Feb 2005 20:25 GMT >> Though my heart says yes, my mind does a cost benefit analysis and says >> no. Do you, as a cat owner, have any input on this? How does a cat >> affect your life besides companionship, entertainment and effort on >> caring for your pet? There are several factors you're not including in the cost/benefit analayis then. Having a cat has several huge benefits.
1. Having a cat has huge health benefits. After a really tough day at work one of the best ways to relaxe is to with a cat. Having a cat get you to relaxe today may avoid that deadly heart attack tomorow. 2. Another large benefit that you need to account for is if someone doesn't adopt that cat today it may be put to sleep tomorrow. Some shelters are no kill shelters, not all shelters though are no kill. 3. Then there is the companisionship. My mother died last year, one of my cats also had to be put to sleep last year (health problems were mounting, his pain was getting more obvious as the days past). The death of the cat hit me harder especially where I was the one who had to finally decide when to end the suffering. The Vet advised what she thought was the best course but ulitimately it was my decision.
I spend about $7,000 over the life time of a cat on average, for me the cost/benefit analysis ****FAR*** outweighs the $7,000+ cost.
You have to really have the companionship of a cat for a few years to really understand.
jesse - 11 Feb 2005 20:28 GMT Oh yeah, great f.cking advice from a woman who grieved the death of a f.cking cat more than her f.cking Mother. Yeah, I'd listen to her advice.
> >> Though my heart says yes, my mind does a cost benefit analysis and says > >> no. Do you, as a cat owner, have any input on this? How does a cat [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Karin Gillette - 11 Feb 2005 21:03 GMT Jesse, What is your problem? No one is forcing you to read these messages. If you don't agree and can't say it politely then just keep your thoughts to yourself.
> Oh yeah, great f.cking advice from a woman who grieved the death of a > f.cking cat more than her f.cking Mother. Yeah, I'd listen to her advice. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- jesse - 11 Feb 2005 21:15 GMT Amy's a psycho, no big deal...
"Hey Amy, mom's dead." "Okay. Thanks." "Hey Amy. The cat died." "OH MY GOD!!! NOOOoooo!!! Not the cat??!!? What will I do??? That cat meant so MUCH to me!! Of all the things it did for me..oh, I'm never going to be able to repay that cat.."
STFU.
> Jesse, What is your problem? No one is forcing you to read these messages. > If you don't agree and can't say it politely then just keep your thoughts to [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > > =---- Noon Cat Nick - 11 Feb 2005 23:44 GMT > Oh yeah, great f.cking advice from a woman who grieved the death of a > f.cking cat more than her f.cking Mother. Yeah, I'd listen to her advice. Poor you.
Amy Gray - 12 Feb 2005 00:44 GMT >Oh yeah, great f.cking advice from a woman who grieved the death of a >f.cking cat more than her f.cking Mother. Yeah, I'd listen to her advice. I would point out I raised that cat 19 long years from when it was about 8 weeks old.
jesse - 12 Feb 2005 02:07 GMT And your Mother did what??? Carry you for 9 months?? Give birth to you in agonizing pain? Clean up your poop and vomit when you were young? Maybe when you were older and sick - or drunk?? Sew your clothes? Make your dinner? Worry every waking moment of her life about your health and welfare??
And all you can f.cking say is that you felt worse about losing your Goddamned cat than losing your Mother???
Give me a f.cking break....and let me step aside as you plunge into hell!!!
> >Oh yeah, great f.cking advice from a woman who grieved the death of a > >f.cking cat more than her f.cking Mother. Yeah, I'd listen to her advice. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Noon Cat Nick - 12 Feb 2005 04:23 GMT > And your Mother did what??? Carry you for 9 months?? Give birth to you in > agonizing pain? Clean up your poop and vomit when you were young? Maybe [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Give me a f.cking break....and let me step aside as you plunge into hell!!! You sad orphan.
Amy Gray - 12 Feb 2005 05:05 GMT >And your Mother did what??? Carry you for 9 months?? Give birth to you in >agonizing pain? Clean up your poop and vomit when you were young? Maybe [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Give me a f.cking break....and let me step aside as you plunge into hell!!! You've never had a cat have you?
Noon Cat Nick - 12 Feb 2005 10:52 GMT > >And your Mother did what??? Carry you for 9 months?? Give birth to you in > >agonizing pain? Clean up your poop and vomit when you were young? Maybe [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Give me a f.cking break....and let me step aside as you plunge into hell!!! > You've never had a cat have you? Or any kind of friend, probably.
mlbriggs - 11 Feb 2005 01:29 GMT > I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a > half; doing the research (books + Web) on what I would be getting into, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Catcher I have only one suggestion -- Instead of analyzing so thoroughly, let a cat pick you. MLB
Amy Gray - 11 Feb 2005 20:29 GMT >I have only one suggestion -- Instead of analyzing so thoroughly, let a >cat pick you. MLB Here is a better suggestion. Get a kitten today. 19 years from now evalutate whether the investment was worth it.
A cat is something you need to experience when when weighing a cost/benefit analysis.
jesse - 12 Feb 2005 02:27 GMT That's how Amy evaluated her dead Mother.
> >I have only one suggestion -- Instead of analyzing so thoroughly, let a > >cat pick you. MLB [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Noon Cat Nick - 12 Feb 2005 04:23 GMT > That's how Amy evaluated her dead Mother. That's nice.
> > >I have only one suggestion -- Instead of analyzing so thoroughly, let a > > >cat pick you. MLB [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- Talkin Horse - 25 Feb 2005 03:37 GMT >I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a > half; doing the research (books + Web) ..... I wondered if this was a serious question. But I suppose when I was cat-less, I would have approached the question in the same, logical manner (at least in my own mind; I doubt I'd phrase it in public this way). So I suppose it's legitimate in the abstract, whether or not Mr. Catcher is serious. My answer is, rational people don't seek out cats, and I wasn't seeking out cats, but a cat showed up in my yard and claimed it and also claimed the house and its occupant (cats are allowed to do this), so I was stuck. And I realize now, as I could not have realized earlier, that this was a Good Thing; in fact a Most Excellent Thing, and even a Gift From God. So I cannot comment on the wisdom of seeking cats, because I don't know if it's possible to seek cats. But if you happen to find yourself on the other side of this threshold, you may come to understand some things that the books cannot convey.
Gary Stone - 25 Feb 2005 06:50 GMT "Talkin Horse" <davidrolfeN0SP&AM@earthlink.net>
Is that you Mr. Ed? :-)
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Noon Cat Nick - 25 Feb 2005 10:25 GMT > "Talkin Horse" <davidrolfeN0SP&AM@earthlink.net> > > Is that you Mr. Ed? :-) > > Stone I'm convinced that Mr. Ed and Johnny Cash were the same entity. Their voices sounded exactly alike. Also notice that they never appeared in photographs together. ;)
Diana - 25 Feb 2005 23:14 GMT Noon Cat Nick at chatdemidiSPAMBEGONE@catlover.com wrote on2/25/05 5:28 AM:
>> "Talkin Horse" <davidrolfeN0SP&AM@earthlink.net> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > voices sounded exactly alike. Also notice that they never appeared in > photographs together. ;) I love this! You're so right, and it never before occurred to me!
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DL Farnworth - 25 Feb 2005 17:42 GMT | "Catcher" <accounts@subburam.org> wrote in message news:1107947073.488986.305320@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| >I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a | > half; doing the research (books + Web) ..... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | side of this threshold, you may come to understand some things that the | books cannot convey. Just so.
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Diana - 25 Feb 2005 23:23 GMT DL Farnworth at felix_sum@yahoo.com wrote on2/25/05 12:42 PM:
> | "Catcher" <accounts@subburam.org> wrote in message > | [quoted text clipped - 168 lines] > > -- Christopher Smart, ca. 1756 Wonderful poem! Where did you find this amplified version? (And for some others, you might go here: <http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/r/drdrive/pangurban.html>)
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Mike Z. Helm - 26 Feb 2005 18:26 GMT On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:40:38 GMT, "Talkin Horse" <davidrolfeN0SP&AM@earthlink.net>
>>I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a >> half; doing the research (books + Web) ..... > >I wondered if this was a serious question. But I suppose when I was >cat-less, I would have approached the question in the same, logical manner >(at least in my own mind; I doubt I'd phrase it in public this way). Here was my "rationalization" to get my cat:
"Holy sh.t, this kitten is going to die if it's left out in the 110 degree heat a few more days and I don't want to see a dead kitten in my parking space when I come to work."
> So I >suppose it's legitimate in the abstract, whether or not Mr. Catcher is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >side of this threshold, you may come to understand some things that the >books cannot convey. Yeah - getting a cat was the furthest thing from my mind. In fact, earlier that day someone at work asked if I wanted a cat. I thought someone was giving away kittens that their own cat had, and I said "no". It was only after seeing her hiding under a car to escape the sun that it came to pass - I never made a conscious decision to take her in.
mlbriggs - 28 Feb 2005 19:31 GMT >>I have been seriously thinking of getting a cat for the past year and a >> half; doing the research (books + Web) ..... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > side of this threshold, you may come to understand some things that the > books cannot convey. You were definitely rewarded. MLB
chrisoakey@msn.com - 27 Feb 2005 08:30 GMT I think a cat would definitely make you wiser and smarter! Richer, definitely, but not in the monetary sense. When my 15 year old cat died, I would have given away my house to have him back. What I had received from him over the years was priceless.
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