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ken - 03 Jan 2005 13:55 GMT
Does anyone have esperience with a sensor-device called STAY AWAY? If a
cat jumps on a table or counter, the sensor sets off a noise and a
blast of air?
Does it work and if so, where can you buy it?

Thanks

Ken
Doug Kanter - 03 Jan 2005 17:42 GMT
I love cats, but on the counter is a Really Bad Thing. Just waving this
around should do the trick, without ever having to use it:
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=101SS&category=Pistol

Cats will understand.

> Does anyone have esperience with a sensor-device called STAY AWAY? If a
> cat jumps on a table or counter, the sensor sets off a noise and a
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>
> Ken
Karen - 03 Jan 2005 19:57 GMT
Actually, this is pretty funny.

> I love cats, but on the counter is a Really Bad Thing. Just waving this
> around should do the trick, without ever having to use it:

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=101SS&category=Pistol

> Cats will understand.
>
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> >
> > Ken
Doug Kanter - 03 Jan 2005 20:13 GMT
You're my kind of woman! :-) It's amazing how many people have absolutely NO
sense of humor.

> Actually, this is pretty funny.
>
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>> >
>> > Ken
Mary - 03 Jan 2005 21:15 GMT
> Actually, this is pretty funny.

Picturing it, I would have to agree.
Tanada - 03 Jan 2005 20:39 GMT
> I love cats, but on the counter is a Really Bad Thing. Just waving this
> around should do the trick, without ever having to use it:
> http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=101SS&category=Pistol
>
> Cats will understand.

Isn't this <gulps> a little extreme?  Even for you, Doug?  I'm afraid
Pine Cone would take it away and use it on me.

Pam S. gulping again
Doug Kanter - 03 Jan 2005 21:08 GMT
>> I love cats, but on the counter is a Really Bad Thing. Just waving this
>> around should do the trick, without ever having to use it:
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>
> Pam S. gulping again

Oh Pam....that's why you don't chamber a round until you're ready to use it.
You need thumbs to pull the slide back, silly! :-) If you're convinced Pine
Cone might use it, I think he/she should take a basic handgun safety course
first. That's just common sense. Your veterinarian probably has info on
these things.

<chuckle
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 03 Jan 2005 22:51 GMT
>>>I love cats, but on the counter is a Really Bad Thing. Just waving this
>>>around should do the trick, without ever having to use it:
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>
> <chuckle>

You remind me of a picture that was making the rounds, a few
months ago of a kitten "aiming" a pistol out the window at a
dog!  I no longer have the URL, but it's hysterical!
Doug Kanter - 04 Jan 2005 02:09 GMT
>>>>I love cats, but on the counter is a Really Bad Thing. Just waving this
>>>>around should do the trick, without ever having to use it:
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> a kitten "aiming" a pistol out the window at a dog!  I no longer have the
> URL, but it's hysterical!

Did you ever see the Far Side version of that? A dark sedan is filled with
cats in Prohibition-era gangster hats, with machine guns sticking out the
window. The car's speeding away from the scene: A dog house riddled with
bullet holes. Priceless! :-)
Mike Z. Helm - 08 Jan 2005 01:14 GMT
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:51:45 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<evgmsop@earthlink.net>

>> Oh Pam....that's why you don't chamber a round until you're ready to use it.
>> You need thumbs to pull the slide back, silly! :-) If you're convinced Pine
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>months ago of a kitten "aiming" a pistol out the window at a
>dog!  I no longer have the URL, but it's hysterical!

That reminds me of a picture I saw in the paper years ago.  I probably
still have it somewhere, but I'm not likely to find it anytime soon.

Anyway, it's a picture of a cat in a window and there is a reflection of
a fireman raising an axe.  It looks like he's about to axe the cat, but
in reality he was chopping his way in somewhere else.
Tanada - 04 Jan 2005 01:17 GMT
> Oh Pam....that's why you don't chamber a round until you're ready to use it.
> You need thumbs to pull the slide back, silly! :-) If you're convinced Pine
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>
> <chuckle>

I'll call him first thing tomorrow.  Knowing PC, I wouldn't put anything
past the little stinker.

Pam S. wondering how much feline pistol safety classes are going to cost
Doug Kanter - 04 Jan 2005 02:10 GMT
>> Oh Pam....that's why you don't chamber a round until you're ready to use
>> it. You need thumbs to pull the slide back, silly! :-) If you're
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>
> Pam S. wondering how much feline pistol safety classes are going to cost

The NFRA (National Feline Rifle Association) usually charges nothing for
youth classes. How old is PC? Even the adult courses are cheap.
Tanada - 05 Jan 2005 20:07 GMT
> The NFRA (National Feline Rifle Association) usually charges nothing for
> youth classes. How old is PC? Even the adult courses are cheap.

PC is 4 1/2 years old.  I suspect that he'd really enjoy using a pistol,
so I'd better get in contact with them right away before he takes
matters into his own paws.

Pam S.
Doug Kanter - 05 Jan 2005 21:19 GMT
>> The NFRA (National Feline Rifle Association) usually charges nothing for
>> youth classes. How old is PC? Even the adult courses are cheap.
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>
> Pam S.

If he promises to assassinate a dog whenever possible, I'll chip in for a
case of ammunition.
Tanada - 05 Jan 2005 21:31 GMT
>>>The NFRA (National Feline Rifle Association) usually charges nothing for
>>>youth classes. How old is PC? Even the adult courses are cheap.
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> If he promises to assassinate a dog whenever possible, I'll chip in for a
> case of ammunition.

He already has a candidate in my daughter's d-thing, Speedy.  Speedy
likes to sneak up behind PC and either woof, or touch him with his cold
husky/shephard nose.  PC is not amused.

Pam S. hoping PC doesn't take up target shooting
Doug Kanter - 06 Jan 2005 03:29 GMT
>>>>The NFRA (National Feline Rifle Association) usually charges nothing for
>>>>youth classes. How old is PC? Even the adult courses are cheap.
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>
> Pam S. hoping PC doesn't take up target shooting

Dogs *ARE* targets, with fur. There's this category of animals which were
created for us to vent our aggressions against. It includes mosquitoes,
rats, cockroaches and dogs. :-)
Tanada - 06 Jan 2005 03:39 GMT
> Dogs *ARE* targets, with fur. There's this category of animals which were
> created for us to vent our aggressions against. It includes mosquitoes,
> rats, cockroaches and dogs. :-)

I suspect that PC would agree with you.

Pam S.
Mike Z. Helm - 08 Jan 2005 01:24 GMT
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:31:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<ancientangler@hotmail.com>

>>>>>The NFRA (National Feline Rifle Association) usually charges nothing for
>>>>>youth classes. How old is PC? Even the adult courses are cheap.
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>created for us to vent our aggressions against. It includes mosquitoes,
>rats, cockroaches and dogs. :-)

Specist!

Anyway, my kitten was shot when I found her.  Fortunately it was only
with a pellet gun.

I can tell you one thing about dogs though.  If anyone ever attacked me,
my dog would defend me.  My cat would probably just watch - until she
realized I couldn't stop her from getting on the kitchen counter.  Then
she'd jump up there and kill all my plants.
Doug Kanter - 08 Jan 2005 03:04 GMT
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:31:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> <ancientangler@hotmail.com>
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> realized I couldn't stop her from getting on the kitchen counter.  Then
> she'd jump up there and kill all my plants.

Yeah....but still....it's a dog. Come on...you know they're vermin. If they
ever had a molecule of nobility, we've bred it out of them. If you want a
real dog, have some real balls. Get a wolf.
Mike Z. Helm - 08 Jan 2005 20:07 GMT
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 03:04:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<ancientangler@hotmail.com>

>> Specist!
>>
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>ever had a molecule of nobility, we've bred it out of them. If you want a
>real dog, have some real balls. Get a wolf.

What makes you think it's not a wolf?

Interestingly enough, they make better pets than something like a tiger,
leaopard, liion, cheetah, etc....
Doug Kanter - 08 Jan 2005 22:04 GMT
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 03:04:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> <ancientangler@hotmail.com>
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> Interestingly enough, they make better pets than something like a tiger,
> leaopard, liion, cheetah, etc....

Of course they do. Tigers, etc....they're kittens with an attitude and a lot
more weight. :-)
Monique Y. Mudama - 10 Jan 2005 21:37 GMT
["Followup-To:" header set to rec.pets.cats.health+behav.] On 2005-01-08, Doug
Kanter penned:

> Yeah....but still....it's a dog. Come on...you know they're vermin. If they
> ever had a molecule of nobility, we've bred it out of them. If you want a
> real dog, have some real balls. Get a wolf.

Yeah, it's much better to keep a wild animal in captivity than to keep a pet
who actually enjoys being with humans, like a dog does.

*boggle*

I think it's pretty poor form to come to a pet newsgroup and talk about dogs
as "vermin."  A lot of cat lovers also love dogs, and a lot of cats get along
well with dogs, too.

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Tanada - 08 Jan 2005 23:16 GMT
> Specist!

Yeah, I guess I am, even though I do like the d-thing.  I still prefer
the cats who own me.

Pam S.
Jo Firey - 03 Jan 2005 23:47 GMT
We just leave a fly swatter out where they can see it.  Also works to keep
the dogs from barking.  (No you don't hit them.  You hit near them to get
their attention)

Jo

>I love cats, but on the counter is a Really Bad Thing. Just waving this
>around should do the trick, without ever having to use it:
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>>
>> Ken
Jean Hobbs - 03 Jan 2005 23:57 GMT
Do you have to shout "FREEZE" AS WELL.  Jean.P.
> We just leave a fly swatter out where they can see it.  Also works to keep
> the dogs from barking.  (No you don't hit them.  You hit near them to get
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> >I love cats, but on the counter is a Really Bad Thing. Just waving this
> >around should do the trick, without ever having to use it:

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=101SS&category=P
istol

> > Cats will understand.
> >
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> >>
> >> Ken
Doug Kanter - 04 Jan 2005 02:11 GMT
Paws behind your head NOW!!!

> Do you have to shout "FREEZE" AS WELL.  Jean.P.
>> We just leave a fly swatter out where they can see it.  Also works to
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>> >>
>> >> Ken
Jean Hobbs - 04 Jan 2005 10:43 GMT
that's like someone I knew who used to keep a slipper handy when the kids
played up she never used it but said it served very well asa deterent,
         Jean.P.
> Paws behind your head NOW!!!
>
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> >> >I love cats, but on the counter is a Really Bad Thing. Just waving this
> >> >around should do the trick, without ever having to use it:

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=101SS&category=P
> > istol
> >> >
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> >> >>
> >> >> Ken
Jean Hobbs - 04 Jan 2005 10:45 GMT
Paws behind your head ? only when sleeping lol Jean.P.
> Paws behind your head NOW!!!
>
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> >> >I love cats, but on the counter is a Really Bad Thing. Just waving this
> >> >around should do the trick, without ever having to use it:

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=101SS&category=P
> > istol
> >> >
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> >> >>
> >> >> Ken
Doug Kanter - 04 Jan 2005 02:11 GMT
We used to use an empty soda can with a few coins in it. Toss it onto the
counter at the appropriate times. After a few go-arounds, all we had to do
was shake the can.

> We just leave a fly swatter out where they can see it.  Also works to keep
> the dogs from barking.  (No you don't hit them.  You hit near them to get
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>>>
>>> Ken
Barb - 03 Jan 2005 23:01 GMT
I don't know if it's the same as what I just ordered, 'pet trainer".  It
will sound an alarm whenever my kitten gets up on the glass table.  That's
the one place I don't want the cats and the rest of them know that.  I'm
keeping my fingers crossed!

--
Barb
Of course I don't look busy,
I did it right the first time.
Gary Stone - 04 Jan 2005 01:58 GMT
I'd just like to know how to avoid a paw in my eye socket every morning.
Uhmmm! maybe train her to use a spray bottle instead. Then I could wake up
showered and refreshed.

Stone

Stone
>I don't know if it's the same as what I just ordered, 'pet trainer".  It
> will sound an alarm whenever my kitten gets up on the glass table.  That's
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> Of course I don't look busy,
> I did it right the first time.
Mike Z. Helm - 08 Jan 2005 01:19 GMT
On 3 Jan 2005 05:55:49 -0800, "ken" <kphifer1934@yahoo.com>

>Does anyone have esperience with a sensor-device called STAY AWAY? If a
>cat jumps on a table or counter, the sensor sets off a noise and a
>blast of air?
>Does it work and if so, where can you buy it?

Someone sent me a link for a "scat mat" (not that kind of scat).  It's a
pad that gives a slight shock (it used a 9-volt battery and had 3
settings).

I didn't really think it was practical.

My kitten finally reached the kitchen counter a couple of weeks ago.  I
hit her with a blast from a spray bottle, but so far she's only learning
to jump down as soon as I see her up there.

In fact, I just had to interrupt this post because I heard her in there.
She doesn't seem to realize that until she behaves herself, she's not
going to have free run of the house while I'm gone.  

I'm being a real hard-a.s about it because my few surviving house plants
are huddled in one corner of the kitchen counter nursing themselves back
to health.

I've fortified their position with a ring of empty beer bottles.

Maybe if I just covered the counters with dish soap before I left that
would deter her.

>Thanks
>
>Ken
Doug Kanter - 08 Jan 2005 03:05 GMT
> On 3 Jan 2005 05:55:49 -0800, "ken" <kphifer1934@yahoo.com>
>
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>>
>>Ken

1) Try putting orange or grapefruit peels all over the counter. Two cats
I've lived with hated the smell.
2) Plant a couple of pots of greens for her. Petco sells a packaged thing.
It's hard red winter wheat. It was about four dollars. If you have a farm
supply place nearby, you can probably buy a large bag for about the same
price. I planted it a week ago and it's about 3" high already.
Unfortunately, my cat ran away this past Sunday, but I'm keeping all the cat
stuff in place for the moment.
Mike Z. Helm - 08 Jan 2005 20:09 GMT
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 03:06:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<ancientangler@hotmail.com>

>> On 3 Jan 2005 05:55:49 -0800, "ken" <kphifer1934@yahoo.com>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>Unfortunately, my cat ran away this past Sunday, but I'm keeping all the cat
>stuff in place for the moment.

All those orange peels and wheat grass must have scared her off.

I suggest getting a dog.  Chihuahuas have some cat-like traits.
Doug Kanter - 08 Jan 2005 22:07 GMT
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 03:06:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> <ancientangler@hotmail.com>
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> I suggest getting a dog.  Chihuahuas have some cat-like traits.

Actually, my cat never reached the point of familiarity with the house that
he got up on the counters. Too skittish, too much time spent hiding. I only
had him for two or three weeks. At times, I'd sit on the living room floor
for a half hour, perfectly still, holding the brush he loved (at his
previous home). He'd stalk me from 20 feet away, meow a bit, but never come
close. I suspect he's trying to make his way back to his previous home.
Mike Z. Helm - 10 Jan 2005 03:31 GMT
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:07:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<ancientangler@hotmail.com>

>> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 03:06:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
>> <ancientangler@hotmail.com>
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>previous home). He'd stalk me from 20 feet away, meow a bit, but never come
>close. I suspect he's trying to make his way back to his previous home.

Have you ever considered seeking professional help?
Doug Kanter - 10 Jan 2005 04:49 GMT
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:07:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
> <ancientangler@hotmail.com>
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
>
> Have you ever considered seeking professional help?

Perhaps you'd care to explain that after you've sobered up.
 
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