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Jim Vandenberger - 30 Dec 2004 19:19 GMT
Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat

2 Wal-Mart Employees in Indiana Charged With Felony Animal Cruelty for
Shooting Stray Cat

The Associated Press

Dec. 30, 2004 - Two Wal-Mart employees have been charged with felony
animal cruelty after police said they followed a manager's orders to
shoot and kill a stray cat.

The men, both assistant managers at the Supercenter, were arrested and
released after a court appearance Wednesday. Christopher Anderson, 29,
and Jeffrey Hardin, 21, told police the store's manager ordered them
to get rid of the animal that was living in a storage trailer behind
their store.

Anderson and Hardin repeatedly shot the cat with a pellet gun from the
store until it died the following day, a Vanderburgh County Sheriff's
Department report said.

All managers potentially involved in the incident have been suspended
without pay pending an internal investigation and could be fired, said
Wal-Mart spokeswoman Sharon Weber.

"We were outraged when we learned of this incident. This kind of
action is completely inconsistent with the way we do business," she
said.

A truck driver who reported the incident said he saw store employees
placing what he believed to be a dead animal in shrink wrap a day
after he heard workers joking about shooting the cat.

Store manager Darrel Weitzel told police he had told some of his
employees to get a gun and get rid of the cat after attempts to coax
it from the trailer failed, according to a police report.

Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
Erik - 30 Dec 2004 20:29 GMT
If the courts don't deal with them correctly, someone out there will.

> Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat
>
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>
> Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
Mathew Kagis - 30 Dec 2004 20:40 GMT
> > Store manager Darrel Weitzel told police he had told some of his
> > employees to get a gun and get rid of the cat after attempts to coax
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> >
> > > If the courts don't deal with them correctly, someone out there will.

.... I'll voulunteer.... Might have trouble getting my Katana over the US
border.  Anyone on the American side able to lend me a sword????
Signature

Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas

jacquie0 - 30 Dec 2004 21:12 GMT
>>>Store manager Darrel Weitzel told police he had told some of his
>>>employees to get a gun and get rid of the cat after attempts to coax
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> .... I'll voulunteer.... Might have trouble getting my Katana over the US
> border.  Anyone on the American side able to lend me a sword????

Need some company? At the very least, they should get exactly what they
did to that poor cat done to them! Then again, so should the store
manager who told them to do it in the first place.
Magic Mood Jeep? - 30 Dec 2004 23:39 GMT
>>> Store manager Darrel Weitzel told police he had told some of his
>>> employees to get a gun and get rid of the cat after attempts to coax
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
> En Vino Veritas

We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the
garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed)
handguns in the house - - and we live in IN.... it's VERY tempting, not only
the 2 brainless 'assistant managers' that did the deed, but for the 'store
manager' that ordered it done.

I did a bit of searching, and found an online "store feedback form" for
Wal-Mart... I suggest as many people as possible fill one out & click
submit, to they will learn that "we are not amused" by this happening

http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore/wmstores/Container.jsp?template=OnlineForm.jsp

--?
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lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy
former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at
nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com
http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep
Darmok - 31 Dec 2004 12:36 GMT
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:39:31 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©"
<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:

>I did a bit of searching, and found an online "store feedback form" for
>Wal-Mart... I suggest as many people as possible fill one out & click
>submit, to they will learn that "we are not amused" by this happening
>
>http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore/wmstores/Container.jsp?template=OnlineForm.jsp

Just fired off a complaint ... if their britches aren't smoldering
when they finish reading it, I'd be surprised.  

I am totally outraged at this.  Wal-Mart was to begin construction of
a store in my home town this upcoming year (2005).  I may lead a
protest against it.
Magic Mood Jeep? - 31 Dec 2004 13:07 GMT
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/4035116/detail.html?treets=ind&tid=2654501061
813&tml=ind_7am&tmi=ind_7am_1_06050212312004&ts=H


Wal-Mart Fires 3 Workers After Cat Killed
Police: Two Followed Manager's Orders To Shoot Animal
POSTED: 6:52 am EST December 30, 2004
EVANSVILLE, Ind. -- Two Wal-Mart employees have been charged with felony
animal cruelty after police said they followed a manager's orders to shoot
and kill a stray cat.

The men, both assistant managers at the store, were arrested and released
after a court appearance Wednesday. Christopher Anderson, 29, and Jeffrey
Hardin, 21, told police the store's manager ordered them to get rid of the
animal that was living in a storage trailer behind their store.
Anderson and Hardin repeatedly shot the cat with a pellet gun from the store
until it died the following day, a Vanderburgh County Sheriff's Department
report said.
"We were sickened by this cruelty," Kevin D. Miller, regional vice president
for the Arkansas-based retailer, said in a news release Thursday.
"After an internal investigation, we terminated the three associates we know
to be involved," the release said. The company did not name the employees
who were fired.
The company also plans to donate $10,000 to split between the Vanderburgh
County and Warrick County Humane Societies in Indiana, the release said.
A truck driver who reported the incident said he saw store employees placing
what he believed to be a dead animal in shrink wrap a day after he heard
workers joking about shooting the cat.
Store manager Darrel Weitzel told police he had told some of his employees
to get a gun and get rid of the cat after attempts to coax it from the
trailer failed, according to a police report.
Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

------------

Also, I wish I had cut-n-pasted what I wrote to them.  I asked if this "
'manager' had his head up his a.s" and wheter or not he had heard of Animal
Control, Humane Society, ASPCA, etc., and wished the same treatment to them
that they gave the cat.

>> I did a bit of searching, and found an online "store feedback form"
>> for Wal-Mart... I suggest as many people as possible fill one out &
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> a store in my home town this upcoming year (2005).  I may lead a
> protest against it.

--?
The ONE and ONLY
lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy
former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at
nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com
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equalizer - 31 Dec 2004 15:57 GMT
Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I
haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of them.
Purely for reference purposes, of course......

eq

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:07:24 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©"
<nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:

>http://www.theindychannel.com/news/4035116/detail.html?treets=ind&tid=2654501061
813&tml=ind_7am&tmi=ind_7am_1_06050212312004&ts=H

>
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
>nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com
>http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep
Amy Gray - 31 Dec 2004 18:49 GMT
>Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I
>haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of them.
>Purely for reference purposes, of course......
Around here if they are under 18 their names won't be released.

You do know what you're contemplating is illegal?  

Let the judicial system work, don't take the matter into your
hands.
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 15:09 GMT
>>Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I
>>haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of them.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Let the judicial system work, don't take the matter into your
>hands.

What have I proposed that is illegal? You truly do have reading
comprehension difficulties, don't you?

>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 16:25 GMT
>>>Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I
>>>haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of them.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>What have I proposed that is illegal? You truly do have reading
>comprehension difficulties, don't you?
The above quote where you ask where they live indicates you intend
to harrass/threaten them.   Why else would you need to know where they
live?  

My bet is you're not planning to send a fan letter.

The bottom line: even if the guy killed a dozen people doesn't give
you the right to take the law into your own hands (vigilnatism is
not legal).
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 18:48 GMT
>>>>Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I
>>>>haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of them.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>to harrass/threaten them.   Why else would you need to know where they
>live?  

Perhaps so I know what animal rights group to contact? To get in contact
with the jurisdiction prosecuting them?

>My bet is you're not planning to send a fan letter.

Once again -- where SPECIFICALLY does is say that I planned to do
ANYTHING?!? It's a very big implication you're making. I truly hope
you're really not a judge -- from the very few exchanges I've had with
you so far, the thought of you sitting on a bench with the authority to
effect people's lives is VERY, VERY scary.

eq

>The bottom line: even if the guy killed a  It's a very big indozen people doesn't give
>you the right to take the law into your own hands (vigilnatism is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
Erik - 01 Jan 2005 20:02 GMT
I totally agree with you about the 'judge' comment.

>>>>>Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I
>>>>>haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>>Newsgroups
>>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 21:33 GMT
>Once again -- where SPECIFICALLY does is say that I planned to do
>ANYTHING?!? It's a very big implication you're making. I truly hope
>you're really not a judge -- from the very few exchanges I've had with
>you so far, the thought of you sitting on a bench with the authority to
>effect people's lives is VERY, VERY scary.
There is no reason for you to need to know their address.   After all
if you need to disclose relevant information for the case all you
have to do is contact the police.    Since you're not calling your
local police or the police where this story took place you're probably
not contributing any relevant information but instead harrasing the
person charged/interfering with the investigation/or maybe trying
to information for the press.  

I'm still waitiing for ONE good reason for needing to know their
address.  
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 21:43 GMT
>>Once again -- where SPECIFICALLY does is say that I planned to do
>>ANYTHING?!? It's a very big implication you're making. I truly hope
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---

I gave you several, which you conveniently swept under the rug. What I'm
waiting for is why you haven't had anything to say in the thread in this
forum entitled "Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat", in which the
following post took place:

>Look up the zip code too :)  Youll find THE anderson.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>> "buick" <ninsega@gmail.com> wrote in message
Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 23:03 GMT
>I gave you several, which you conveniently swept under the rug.
Where was it? I never saw it.  (Maybe it came through when the
newsgroup server crashed?)

http://www.whitepages.com/search/Find_Person?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=C
hristopher&name=Anderson&city_zip=&state_id=IN

So what is the point in posting addresses for this person when there
are probably 50+ people in the midwest with the same name?

The Christopher Scott Anderson in this case is probably not even
listed (his address and phone are probably under his parents name
or a girl friends name or maybe he has a cell phone that isn't
listed).

You do realize if you try contacting him/harrassing him you
could be arrested?  

Let the judicial system work.   Stop trying to interfere.

I'm still waiting for one legit reason for you to know
his address (You do realize there are privacy laws?)
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 23:09 GMT
>>I gave you several, which you conveniently swept under the rug.
>Where was it? I never saw it.  (Maybe it came through when the
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---

I'm still waiting for one legitimate reason from you that you can use to
establish that I was going to use the personal info to harass this
person? I'd say that you're starting to open YOURSELF up to libel with
YOUR sweeping accusations!

eq
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 21:51 GMT
>>Once again -- where SPECIFICALLY does is say that I planned to do
>>ANYTHING?!? It's a very big implication you're making. I truly hope
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>I'm still waitiing for ONE good reason for needing to know their
>address.  

Bottom line:Until folks such as you FINALLY get their way, this is a
free society. I have a right to find such information:WHICH IS IN THE
PUBLIC DOMAIN. You've shown that you pre-judge people and find them
guilty without the benefit of a trial. As I said, if you are a judge, I
find that tid bit to be VERY VERY scary.

eq

>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 22:54 GMT
>Bottom line:Until folks such as you FINALLY get their way, this is a
>free society. I have a right to find such information:WHICH IS IN THE
>PUBLIC DOMAIN. You've shown that you pre-judge people and find them
>guilty without the benefit of a trial. As I said, if you are a judge, I
>find that tid bit to be VERY VERY scary.
How do you know his name/address/phone are in the public domain?
How do you know his phone is not unlisted?  
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 23:01 GMT
>>Bottom line:Until folks such as you FINALLY get their way, this is a
>>free society. I have a right to find such information:WHICH IS IN THE
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com -

My original post was to ask if anyone had their info. If so, it's in the
public domain. If not, it would've died out. Unfortunately, you need to
impose yourself on the matter, so it has failed to do so. The only thing
I checked was infobel.com.

I noticed from Google that you hang out in MANY TV-related newsgroups.
If you're not truly a judge in real-life, then is it possible that
you're outlook has been formulated by all that TV you watch?

Life isn't "Law and Order" Amy, you might need to get out. Just a
friendly suggestion.....

eq

> Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----

>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 21:55 GMT
>>Once again -- where SPECIFICALLY does is say that I planned to do
>>ANYTHING?!? It's a very big implication you're making. I truly hope
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>I'm still waitiing for ONE good reason for needing to know their
>address.  

Very nice job of snipping the relevant parts of my post without
indication that you did so!  Keep up the GREAT work of showing all
what's truly beneath the polite surface!!! We've seen many such as
yourself come (and go) on here throughout the years.....

eq
>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 22:10 GMT
<SNIP>

>I'm still waitiing for ONE good reason for needing to know their
>address.  

Please outline your authority on USENET and in society, and why I have
the obligation to spell out my motives to you?

eq

>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 23:03 GMT
>Please outline your authority on USENET and in society, and why I have
>the obligation to spell out my motives to you?
I don't have any authority over usenet.  But police do routinely watch
over the inernet looking for illegal activity.   And it sounds like
you're succeeding in trying ting their attention by indicating you
want this guys home address.

How do you know someone in this usenet newsgoup isn't with the
police in Indiana?    
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 23:11 GMT
>>Please outline your authority on USENET and in society, and why I have
>>the obligation to spell out my motives to you?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>How do you know someone in this usenet newsgoup isn't with the
>police in Indiana?    

I'm truly enjoying your self-immolation on here, LOL!!! What are you
going to use for your next screen name after you get spanked out of
using the one you have now?!?

eq

>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 23:15 GMT
>>Please outline your authority on USENET and in society, and why I have
>>the obligation to spell out my motives to you?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>How do you know someone in this usenet newsgoup isn't with the
>police in Indiana?    

Please outline what I've said that can be construed as breaking the
law?!? You got your law degree from TV, Amy!!!! You don't live in
reality!! USENET is your way out from the desolate existence you're
trapped in! If you had your way, you'd be a little NAZI bitch who could
pass judgment over people with the snap of your fingers. Thankfully,
this is America -- at least where I'm posting from, and your neurosis
has no bearing on reality. LOL!

eq

>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==----
>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
Erik - 02 Jan 2005 01:12 GMT
I wouldn't call her a bitch by any means, but she does seem to maybe go over
the edge in her observations of the postings left by you. I looked over all
of your posts and not only do I not see anything wrong, but far from
illegal. I do not see anything that leads up to any indication of potential
harassment.

***In the meantime, here is something we can all chew on*** Contact info for
the top-guns of Wal-Mart. After all, we must remember and appreciate the
chain of command:

Mr. David Glass President & CEO Wal-Mart
Mr. Thomas M. Schoewe EP & CFO Wal-Mart
Phone(501)273-4786
Fax:(501)273-6850
E-mail: bbreith@wal-mart.com

>>>Please outline your authority on USENET and in society, and why I have
>>>the obligation to spell out my motives to you?
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>>Newsgroups
>>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
idseer - 02 Jan 2005 15:51 GMT
my opinion, tho unasked for, is equalizer was suggesting the very thing amy
was thinking he was suggesting! don't bother denyong it ... it's evident to
anyone. the only thing is, i would have assumed it was tongue-in-cheek and
amy should have left it alone.

>I wouldn't call her a bitch by any means, but she does seem to maybe go
>over the edge in her observations of the postings left by you. I looked
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>>>Newsgroups
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Erik - 02 Jan 2005 16:50 GMT
I would agree with you on a level of assumption which is what many go by.
However, looking at it from a technical standpoint, he did not indicate any
motive other than exercising his right to free speech. As for the undertone
suggestion, I do agree with you, but this again is an assumption and can not
be totally determined by how we translate it. Never-the-less, I butted in
where I most likely do not belong and will leave it at that.

> my opinion, tho unasked for, is equalizer was suggesting the very thing
> amy was thinking he was suggesting! don't bother denyong it ... it's
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>>>>Newsgroups
>>>>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
Frank Pittel - 31 Dec 2004 13:24 GMT
In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Darmok <cooncat.spam@hotpop.com> wrote:

: >I did a bit of searching, and found an online "store feedback form" for
: >Wal-Mart... I suggest as many people as possible fill one out & click
: >submit, to they will learn that "we are not amused" by this happening
: >
: >http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore/wmstores/Container.jsp?template=OnlineForm.jsp

: Just fired off a complaint ... if their britches aren't smoldering
: when they finish reading it, I'd be surprised.  

: I am totally outraged at this.  Wal-Mart was to begin construction of
: a store in my home town this upcoming year (2005).  I may lead a
: protest against it.

I think we should wait until Wal-Mart is finished investigating the incident.
In this days of lawsuites over anything and everything they need to be sure
that what is claimed to have happened actually did. Remember Wal-Mart has
a lot of stores and a lot of managers and can't be held responsible when a
single manager does something stupid.

If the story turns out to be true and those involved don't get fired then I
will no longer shop at any of their stores again.
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Cat Protector - 01 Jan 2005 02:55 GMT
Playing devil's advocate in this one. These guys were just workers and the
original story did say Walmart was outraged by the actions of these
employees. I recommend people write to Walmart to find out what actions they
are taking. If they side with the employees then I'd launch a nationwide
protest.

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"Darmok" <cooncat.spam@hotpop.com> wrote in message

> I am totally outraged at this.  Wal-Mart was to begin construction of
> a store in my home town this upcoming year (2005).  I may lead a
> protest against it.
Frank Pittel - 02 Jan 2005 04:50 GMT
In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote:
: Playing devil's advocate in this one. These guys were just workers and the
: original story did say Walmart was outraged by the actions of these
: employees. I recommend people write to Walmart to find out what actions they
: are taking. If they side with the employees then I'd launch a nationwide
: protest.

The results of Walmart's investigation in the matter has resulted in the
termination of the three people involved. They also pledged to donate $10,000
to animal shelters local to the store involved. They also promised to
cooperate with local authorities in regards to this matter. While I feel that
Walmart did a lot of what they did to try and blunt any damage to their
public image over the matter. I do believe that the upper management of
Walmart disapprove of killing of cats outside their stores by employees. I
also don't think that blaming a large corporation like Walmart for the
actions of the ignorant and cruel actions of three employees.

To make a long story short Walmart didn't side with the employees and did
what was the right thing to do in the situation.

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Gary - 01 Jan 2005 10:26 GMT
> We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the
> garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed)
> handguns in the house

That says it all.  No guns, the cat probably would not have been shot.

Gary.
PS - In the UK, and without wanting to start an off topic rant / flame war,
I believe the USA attitude to gun ownership is completely disgusting and
dangerous.
Gary - 01 Jan 2005 10:30 GMT
>> We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the
>> garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed)
>> handguns in the house

Also, just curious, why do you feel the need to own such an arsenal of
weaponry?  There must be dozens of situations in youe household which could
result in accidental or non accidental death from that lot.  I could not
sleep at night if I was ware of such items in my house.

Gary.
Gary Stone - 01 Jan 2005 11:49 GMT
>>> We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the
>>> garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed)
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>
> Gary.
Now, Gary, you know our government, would you really like our citizens to be
defenseless against it? ;-) "The evangelicals are coming, the evangelicals
are coming!!!"

A hand held howitzer would be nice.

Stone
Ivor Jones - 01 Jan 2005 11:55 GMT
[snip]

> Now, Gary, you know our government, would you really like our
> citizens to be defenseless against it? ;-) "The evangelicals are
> coming, the evangelicals are coming!!!"
>
> A hand held howitzer would be nice.

Could have done with one of those in my time as a bus driver, particularly
at school chucking out time ;-)

Ivor
Nomen Nescio - 02 Jan 2005 10:00 GMT
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From: "Gary" <gary@garywhittle.co.uk>

>>> We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the
>>> garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed)
>>> handguns in the house
>
>Also, just curious, why do you feel the need to own such an arsenal of
>weaponry?  

You consider that an "arsenal"? That's a fairly typical American household.
You'd probably soil your underwear in my house.
(3) .22 cal rifles
(2) 12 ga shotguns
(1) 30-30 lever action rifle
(1) Colt AR-15 5.56mm "assault rifle"
(1) .308 bolt action "sniper rifle"
(1) .357 magnum revolver (always loaded)
(2) .40 cal semi auto pistols (always loaded)
(2) .22 cal pistols
(1) .25 cal pistol
with hundreds or thousands of rounds for each one
and (1) attack cat.

>There must be dozens of situations in youe household which could
>result in accidental or non accidental death from that lot.

Could. Sure.
Likely, No.
I had a garage door spring suddenly break, last weekend, and come
within a foot of decapitating me. I dare say that I've come closer to being
killed by my garage door than any gun that I've owned.

Americans are fond of their guns.
For centuries they've put food on our tables, kicked the Brittish out
of our country (no offense intended), protected us during the
Westward Migration, kept Japan from invading the mainland during
WW II (Gen. Tojo once said that if Japan invaded the US mainland that
"There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass"....he wasn't
talking about the military), and protected our homes.

>I could not
>sleep at night if I was ware of such items in my house.

Half the population of the US sleeps BETTER because we have guns
in our home.

And BTW, all my guns are either being carried by me (or my wife),
of are securely locked in a safe. Even the loaded .357 next to the
bed is locked in a steel box that can be opened in seconds (if you
know the combination).
No child will ever gain unauthorized access to any gun that I own...and
that is my biggest concern with gun ownership.
In over 40 years, I've never had a gun fire by accident, nor known
someone who has. I have, however, used a gun to keep me from being
robbed...twice (no shots fired), to stop a guy from beating up his
girlfriend (no shots fired), and, last year, to shoot a rabid raccoon that
was <150 feet from a bunch of school kids at a bus stop (1 shot fired
with the permission of the local police). My wife has pulled her gun
once when a guy came up to her car at a traffic light and tried to
pull her door open, and , finding the door locked, reached under his
jacket to grab something but stopped and ran off when he saw a .40
cal muzzle pointed at his head (no shots fired). We are both licensed
for concealed carry and bring a gun everywhere. No problem.

I'm glad you feel "safe" while being virtually defenseless, but a lot
of people don't share that opinion. Nor do many cats!

END OF RANT

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil
interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."  
- -George Washington

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity"
- -Sigmund Freud

"If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective."
- - Ted Nugent
Gary - 02 Jan 2005 10:10 GMT
> You consider that an "arsenal"? That's a fairly typical American
> household.
> You'd probably soil your underwear in my house.

> (3) .22 cal rifles
> (2) 12 ga shotguns
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> with hundreds or thousands of rounds for each one
> and (1) attack cat.

Judging by your list, you are probably right, I would almost certainly soil
my underwear.  It is absolute madness.

G.
Frank Pittel - 02 Jan 2005 04:42 GMT
In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Gary <gary@garywhittle.co.uk> wrote:
: > We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the
: > garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed)
: > handguns in the house

: That says it all.  No guns, the cat probably would not have been shot.

: Gary.
: PS - In the UK, and without wanting to start an off topic rant / flame war,
: I believe the USA attitude to gun ownership is completely disgusting and
: dangerous.

They shot the cat with a pellet gun. I don't know about the UK a pellet
gun is considered a toy for children.

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Gary - 02 Jan 2005 10:08 GMT
> They shot the cat with a pellet gun. I don't know about the UK a pellet
> gun is considered a toy for children.

Not something a responsible parent would give to a kid.  Point taken though.

Gary.
blkcatgal - 30 Dec 2004 22:31 GMT
Just one more reason why I will not shop at Wal-Mart.

S.

> Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat
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> Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
Amy Gray - 31 Dec 2004 00:48 GMT
>Just one more reason why I will not shop at Wal-Mart.
Why? Wal-mart has done what they legally can now.  

Anymore then that and they would be sued faster
than you can say lawyer.  
Frank Pittel - 31 Dec 2004 13:15 GMT
Why's that?? Of course you've already made up your mind about not going to
Wal-Mart and are using this incident to justify it to yourself. What happened
at the store will most likely end up with everyone involved getting fired
from Wal-Mart and the legal prosecution of those that broke any laws.

I think Wal-Mart is doing a good job in dealing with this and is to commended
for their response. I don't think that the chain should be held responsibile
for the actions of an ignorant manager and a couple of employees.

In rec.pets.cats.health+behav blkcatgal <blkcatgal@comcast.net> wrote:
: Just one more reason why I will not shop at Wal-Mart.

: S.

: > Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat
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: > Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.

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.oO rach Oo. - 31 Dec 2004 13:32 GMT
I agree. Walmart is the devil in my opinion. This just cements my belief.

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> Just one more reason why I will not shop at Wal-Mart.
>
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>> Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
buick - 30 Dec 2004 23:35 GMT
If you'd like to speak your mind, look up Christopher Andersons phone number
at whitepages.com.

> Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat
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>
> Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
Erik - 31 Dec 2004 03:37 GMT
You mean one of these Andersons???

http://www.whitepages.com/search/Find_Person?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=C
hristopher&name=Anderson&city_zip=&state_id=IN


> If you'd like to speak your mind, look up Christopher Andersons phone
> number at whitepages.com.
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>> Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
buick - 01 Jan 2005 21:09 GMT
Look up the zip code too :)  Youll find THE anderson.

> You mean one of these Andersons???
>
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>>> Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
Cat Protector - 01 Jan 2005 02:52 GMT
These managers should be shot to death themselves with a pellet gun. I hope
these people get what's coming to them. I feel so bad for that poor kitty
which did nothing to them.

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> Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat
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> Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
Greg R - 01 Jan 2005 04:17 GMT
I am glad the Wal-Mart fired the workers and will fire anyone evolved
with it.  That was horrible.  They also ought to charge them with
illegal position of a weapon to my understating and contributing to a
delinquency of a minor.  

Now,  those who mentioned the Humane Society.  I got a beef with that.
Most animal shelters put animals to sleep once a week.   I consider
those shelters people who put animals to sleep just as bad as those
people that shot the cat.  I believe in a non-kill shelter.    

Greg R
Max Mustermann - 01 Jan 2005 22:23 GMT
Let's hope there is more happening to these morons that just a firing.
This is the usual WalMart, or any other corp for that matter, saying that
they are "appalled" etc. Let's hope the courts deal out some heavy duty
punishment rather than a slap on the wrist for these dopes. Heavy fines,
some jail time is the only resolution that should be accepted.
I think until WalMart makes more of a definitive statement on this, they
need to know that lots of people are watching and waiting........with
dollars in hand for them or another store.
I have written several letters to them. They can be contacted on their
website at:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
121283
Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 22:36 GMT
>Let's hope there is more happening to these morons that just a firing.
What more would you have them do beyond firing?  Beyond firing them
and turning the matter over to the police there really isn't much
wal-mart can do to them.   Further action must, as it should be
up to the police and the DA.   Wal-mart is limited by law in what else
it can do.  

Also there is precedent in these cases where the firing is
overturned by courts.
Erik - 02 Jan 2005 01:12 GMT
We must not forget this info:

Mr. David Glass President & CEO Wal-Mart
Mr. Thomas M. Schoewe EP & CFO Wal-Mart
Phone(501)273-4786
Fax:(501)273-6850
E-mail: bbreith@wal-mart.com

> >Let's hope there is more happening to these morons that just a firing.
> What more would you have them do beyond firing?  Beyond firing them
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idseer - 02 Jan 2005 16:03 GMT
so much news ... so many idiots.

> Let's hope there is more happening to these morons that just a firing.
> This is the usual WalMart, or any other corp for that matter, saying that
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> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
> 121283
Mary - 02 Jan 2005 16:32 GMT
> so much news ... so many idiots.

lol!
Erik - 02 Jan 2005 17:00 GMT
You don't need to say things like that. Last time I checked, anyone and
everyone on here has a right to express how they feel, not call names. But I
must admit, I did get carried away with this based on emotions and the
thought of that poor kitty. I am far from a lawmaker, but I wish there was
such a thing as an eye for an eye rule sometimes.

> so much news ... so many idiots.
>
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>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
>> 121283
Mary - 02 Jan 2005 17:15 GMT
> You don't need to say things like that. Last time I checked, anyone and
> everyone on here has a right to express how they feel, not call names.

You're half right. "Calling names" is part of expressing how we feel.
We are allowed to do that too.

But I
> must admit, I did get carried away with this based on emotions and the
> thought of that poor kitty. I am far from a lawmaker, but I wish there was
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> >> I have written several letters to them. They can be contacted on their
> >> website at:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
> >> 121283
Erik - 02 Jan 2005 22:40 GMT
You are indeed correct on the name calling. I just thought there may have
been a level in which we would not go to. I guess it's different strokes for
different folks. You are what you are I guess. No hard feelings. Just
observing and commenting.

>> You don't need to say things like that. Last time I checked, anyone and
>> everyone on here has a right to express how they feel, not call names.
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> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
>> >> 121283
Mary - 02 Jan 2005 23:34 GMT
> You are indeed correct on the name calling. I just thought there may have
> been a level in which we would not go to. I guess it's different strokes for
> different folks. You are what you are I guess. No hard feelings. Just
> observing and commenting.

Okay, good. Now, about this top posting .... ;)

> >> You don't need to say things like that. Last time I checked, anyone and
> >> everyone on here has a right to express how they feel, not call names.
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> >> >> I have written several letters to them. They can be contacted on their
> >> >> website at:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
> >> >> 121283
idseer - 03 Jan 2005 00:29 GMT
i don't know about others, but outlook express puts the curser at the top in
my reply setup so i would assume that is the preferred way.  i do understand
the idea of a reply coming AFTER the post in question tho.
it surprises me how upset some people (not saying you do) get over this.

>> You are indeed correct on the name calling. I just thought there may have
>> been a level in which we would not go to. I guess it's different strokes
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> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
>> >> >> 121283
Dave - 03 Jan 2005 01:49 GMT
>i don't know about others, but outlook express puts the curser at the top in
>my reply setup so i would assume that is the preferred way.  i do understand
>the idea of a reply coming AFTER the post in question tho.
>it surprises me how upset some people (not saying you do) get over this.

The top of the window is the correct place for the cursor, otherwise
you'd need to move the cursor to the top of the window manually to start
trimming the unneeded text.

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Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
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Mary - 03 Jan 2005 01:57 GMT
> i don't know about others, but outlook express puts the curser at the top in
> my reply setup so i would assume that is the preferred way.  i do understand
> the idea of a reply coming AFTER the post in question tho.
> it surprises me how upset some people (not saying you do) get over this.

It just makes it damned near impossible to figure out who said what
in a long thread. Not that big a deal.
idseer - 03 Jan 2005 00:27 GMT
not a problem  :)

> You are indeed correct on the name calling. I just thought there may have
> been a level in which we would not go to. I guess it's different strokes
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>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
>>> >> 121283
idseer - 02 Jan 2005 21:28 GMT
to answer this in YOUR own words from the 'updat' thread .... "looking at it
from a technical standpoint, he did not indicate any motive other than
exercising his right to free speech. As for the undertone
suggestion, I do agree with you, but this again is an assumption and can not
be totally determined by how we translate it."

i think you assumed i was talking about a specific individual.    i
certainly wasn't calling any specific person a name ... just making a
general observation.  :)

hey! no one loves cats more than i (unless they're sick in some way). the
perps got what they had coming to them and it's settled.  wal-mart did the
right thing.  in fact i believe there are a lot of establishments that
wouldn't have even done that. they should be commended .... not trashed.

> You don't need to say things like that. Last time I checked, anyone and
> everyone on here has a right to express how they feel, not call names. But
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>>> 121283
Erik - 02 Jan 2005 22:47 GMT
Wal-Mart did do the right thing for sure. I was misguided in your recent
post in regards to the name calling. Sorry about that. I could not help but
think that way since it followed a slew of posts by two people in
particular. Never-the-less, I stand corrected.

I love kitties too and it just took me back when I read that article. I was
brought up in a place where the highest in command is ultimatly responsible
regardless if it from the action of others. Being the owner of a company, I
can tell you that if even the janitor or secretary did something like this,
I would (without any issue) take responsibility for my company. I know Sam
Walton did not come back from the dead and hire these three morons, but
Wal-Mart (in my opinion) should pay dearly in the courts along with the
three morons. When an emplyee is clocked in, they become part of the company
whether they are fired later or not. Back when I ws in the Air Force up
until now, I strongly beleive in the proper chain of command with ultimate
responsibility. As an example(although it is extreme) take Abu Grhaib prison
in Iraq. Who paid the price? Yes, the jerkoffs who abused the prisoners, but
so did the Army and ultimatly we, the United States did as we should have.
'nuff said from me. Time to go get cat food ;)

> to answer this in YOUR own words from the 'updat' thread .... "looking at
> it from a technical standpoint, he did not indicate any motive other than
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>>>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
>>>> 121283
 
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