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Jim Vandenberger - 30 Dec 2004 19:19 GMT Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat
2 Wal-Mart Employees in Indiana Charged With Felony Animal Cruelty for Shooting Stray Cat
The Associated Press
Dec. 30, 2004 - Two Wal-Mart employees have been charged with felony animal cruelty after police said they followed a manager's orders to shoot and kill a stray cat.
The men, both assistant managers at the Supercenter, were arrested and released after a court appearance Wednesday. Christopher Anderson, 29, and Jeffrey Hardin, 21, told police the store's manager ordered them to get rid of the animal that was living in a storage trailer behind their store.
Anderson and Hardin repeatedly shot the cat with a pellet gun from the store until it died the following day, a Vanderburgh County Sheriff's Department report said.
All managers potentially involved in the incident have been suspended without pay pending an internal investigation and could be fired, said Wal-Mart spokeswoman Sharon Weber.
"We were outraged when we learned of this incident. This kind of action is completely inconsistent with the way we do business," she said.
A truck driver who reported the incident said he saw store employees placing what he believed to be a dead animal in shrink wrap a day after he heard workers joking about shooting the cat.
Store manager Darrel Weitzel told police he had told some of his employees to get a gun and get rid of the cat after attempts to coax it from the trailer failed, according to a police report.
Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
Erik - 30 Dec 2004 20:29 GMT If the courts don't deal with them correctly, someone out there will.
> Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday. Mathew Kagis - 30 Dec 2004 20:40 GMT > > Store manager Darrel Weitzel told police he had told some of his > > employees to get a gun and get rid of the cat after attempts to coax [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > > If the courts don't deal with them correctly, someone out there will. .... I'll voulunteer.... Might have trouble getting my Katana over the US border. Anyone on the American side able to lend me a sword????
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jacquie0 - 30 Dec 2004 21:12 GMT >>>Store manager Darrel Weitzel told police he had told some of his >>>employees to get a gun and get rid of the cat after attempts to coax [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > .... I'll voulunteer.... Might have trouble getting my Katana over the US > border. Anyone on the American side able to lend me a sword???? Need some company? At the very least, they should get exactly what they did to that poor cat done to them! Then again, so should the store manager who told them to do it in the first place.
Magic Mood Jeep? - 30 Dec 2004 23:39 GMT >>> Store manager Darrel Weitzel told police he had told some of his >>> employees to get a gun and get rid of the cat after attempts to coax [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat > En Vino Veritas We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed) handguns in the house - - and we live in IN.... it's VERY tempting, not only the 2 brainless 'assistant managers' that did the deed, but for the 'store manager' that ordered it done.
I did a bit of searching, and found an online "store feedback form" for Wal-Mart... I suggest as many people as possible fill one out & click submit, to they will learn that "we are not amused" by this happening
http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore/wmstores/Container.jsp?template=OnlineForm.jsp
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Darmok - 31 Dec 2004 12:36 GMT On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:39:31 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
>I did a bit of searching, and found an online "store feedback form" for >Wal-Mart... I suggest as many people as possible fill one out & click >submit, to they will learn that "we are not amused" by this happening > >http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore/wmstores/Container.jsp?template=OnlineForm.jsp Just fired off a complaint ... if their britches aren't smoldering when they finish reading it, I'd be surprised.
I am totally outraged at this. Wal-Mart was to begin construction of a store in my home town this upcoming year (2005). I may lead a protest against it.
Magic Mood Jeep? - 31 Dec 2004 13:07 GMT http://www.theindychannel.com/news/4035116/detail.html?treets=ind&tid=2654501061 813&tml=ind_7am&tmi=ind_7am_1_06050212312004&ts=H
Wal-Mart Fires 3 Workers After Cat Killed Police: Two Followed Manager's Orders To Shoot Animal POSTED: 6:52 am EST December 30, 2004 EVANSVILLE, Ind. -- Two Wal-Mart employees have been charged with felony animal cruelty after police said they followed a manager's orders to shoot and kill a stray cat.
The men, both assistant managers at the store, were arrested and released after a court appearance Wednesday. Christopher Anderson, 29, and Jeffrey Hardin, 21, told police the store's manager ordered them to get rid of the animal that was living in a storage trailer behind their store. Anderson and Hardin repeatedly shot the cat with a pellet gun from the store until it died the following day, a Vanderburgh County Sheriff's Department report said. "We were sickened by this cruelty," Kevin D. Miller, regional vice president for the Arkansas-based retailer, said in a news release Thursday. "After an internal investigation, we terminated the three associates we know to be involved," the release said. The company did not name the employees who were fired. The company also plans to donate $10,000 to split between the Vanderburgh County and Warrick County Humane Societies in Indiana, the release said. A truck driver who reported the incident said he saw store employees placing what he believed to be a dead animal in shrink wrap a day after he heard workers joking about shooting the cat. Store manager Darrel Weitzel told police he had told some of his employees to get a gun and get rid of the cat after attempts to coax it from the trailer failed, according to a police report. Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday. Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Also, I wish I had cut-n-pasted what I wrote to them. I asked if this " 'manager' had his head up his a.s" and wheter or not he had heard of Animal Control, Humane Society, ASPCA, etc., and wished the same treatment to them that they gave the cat.
>> I did a bit of searching, and found an online "store feedback form" >> for Wal-Mart... I suggest as many people as possible fill one out & [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > a store in my home town this upcoming year (2005). I may lead a > protest against it. --? The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep
equalizer - 31 Dec 2004 15:57 GMT Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of them. Purely for reference purposes, of course......
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:07:24 GMT, "Magic Mood Jeep©" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:
>http://www.theindychannel.com/news/4035116/detail.html?treets=ind&tid=2654501061 813&tml=ind_7am&tmi=ind_7am_1_06050212312004&ts=H > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com >http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep Amy Gray - 31 Dec 2004 18:49 GMT >Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I >haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of them. >Purely for reference purposes, of course...... Around here if they are under 18 their names won't be released.
You do know what you're contemplating is illegal?
Let the judicial system work, don't take the matter into your hands.
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 15:09 GMT >>Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I >>haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of them. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Let the judicial system work, don't take the matter into your >hands. What have I proposed that is illegal? You truly do have reading comprehension difficulties, don't you?
>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 16:25 GMT >>>Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I >>>haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of them. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >What have I proposed that is illegal? You truly do have reading >comprehension difficulties, don't you? The above quote where you ask where they live indicates you intend to harrass/threaten them. Why else would you need to know where they live?
My bet is you're not planning to send a fan letter.
The bottom line: even if the guy killed a dozen people doesn't give you the right to take the law into your own hands (vigilnatism is not legal).
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 18:48 GMT >>>>Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I >>>>haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of them. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >to harrass/threaten them. Why else would you need to know where they >live? Perhaps so I know what animal rights group to contact? To get in contact with the jurisdiction prosecuting them?
>My bet is you're not planning to send a fan letter. Once again -- where SPECIFICALLY does is say that I planned to do ANYTHING?!? It's a very big implication you're making. I truly hope you're really not a judge -- from the very few exchanges I've had with you so far, the thought of you sitting on a bench with the authority to effect people's lives is VERY, VERY scary.
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>The bottom line: even if the guy killed a It's a very big indozen people doesn't give >you the right to take the law into your own hands (vigilnatism is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Erik - 01 Jan 2005 20:02 GMT I totally agree with you about the 'judge' comment.
>>>>>Has anyone been able to locate the actual places the perps live? I >>>>>haven't been able to find any address/phone information for any of [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >>Newsgroups >>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 21:33 GMT >Once again -- where SPECIFICALLY does is say that I planned to do >ANYTHING?!? It's a very big implication you're making. I truly hope >you're really not a judge -- from the very few exchanges I've had with >you so far, the thought of you sitting on a bench with the authority to >effect people's lives is VERY, VERY scary. There is no reason for you to need to know their address. After all if you need to disclose relevant information for the case all you have to do is contact the police. Since you're not calling your local police or the police where this story took place you're probably not contributing any relevant information but instead harrasing the person charged/interfering with the investigation/or maybe trying to information for the press.
I'm still waitiing for ONE good reason for needing to know their address.
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 21:43 GMT >>Once again -- where SPECIFICALLY does is say that I planned to do >>ANYTHING?!? It's a very big implication you're making. I truly hope [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- I gave you several, which you conveniently swept under the rug. What I'm waiting for is why you haven't had anything to say in the thread in this forum entitled "Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat", in which the following post took place:
>Look up the zip code too :) Youll find THE anderson. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> "buick" <ninsega@gmail.com> wrote in message Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 23:03 GMT >I gave you several, which you conveniently swept under the rug. Where was it? I never saw it. (Maybe it came through when the newsgroup server crashed?)
http://www.whitepages.com/search/Find_Person?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=C hristopher&name=Anderson&city_zip=&state_id=IN So what is the point in posting addresses for this person when there are probably 50+ people in the midwest with the same name?
The Christopher Scott Anderson in this case is probably not even listed (his address and phone are probably under his parents name or a girl friends name or maybe he has a cell phone that isn't listed).
You do realize if you try contacting him/harrassing him you could be arrested?
Let the judicial system work. Stop trying to interfere.
I'm still waiting for one legit reason for you to know his address (You do realize there are privacy laws?)
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 23:09 GMT >>I gave you several, which you conveniently swept under the rug. >Where was it? I never saw it. (Maybe it came through when the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- I'm still waiting for one legitimate reason from you that you can use to establish that I was going to use the personal info to harass this person? I'd say that you're starting to open YOURSELF up to libel with YOUR sweeping accusations!
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equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 21:51 GMT >>Once again -- where SPECIFICALLY does is say that I planned to do >>ANYTHING?!? It's a very big implication you're making. I truly hope [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I'm still waitiing for ONE good reason for needing to know their >address. Bottom line:Until folks such as you FINALLY get their way, this is a free society. I have a right to find such information:WHICH IS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. You've shown that you pre-judge people and find them guilty without the benefit of a trial. As I said, if you are a judge, I find that tid bit to be VERY VERY scary.
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>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 22:54 GMT >Bottom line:Until folks such as you FINALLY get their way, this is a >free society. I have a right to find such information:WHICH IS IN THE >PUBLIC DOMAIN. You've shown that you pre-judge people and find them >guilty without the benefit of a trial. As I said, if you are a judge, I >find that tid bit to be VERY VERY scary. How do you know his name/address/phone are in the public domain? How do you know his phone is not unlisted?
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 23:01 GMT >>Bottom line:Until folks such as you FINALLY get their way, this is a >>free society. I have a right to find such information:WHICH IS IN THE [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - My original post was to ask if anyone had their info. If so, it's in the public domain. If not, it would've died out. Unfortunately, you need to impose yourself on the matter, so it has failed to do so. The only thing I checked was infobel.com.
I noticed from Google that you hang out in MANY TV-related newsgroups. If you're not truly a judge in real-life, then is it possible that you're outlook has been formulated by all that TV you watch?
Life isn't "Law and Order" Amy, you might need to get out. Just a friendly suggestion.....
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>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 21:55 GMT >>Once again -- where SPECIFICALLY does is say that I planned to do >>ANYTHING?!? It's a very big implication you're making. I truly hope [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I'm still waitiing for ONE good reason for needing to know their >address. Very nice job of snipping the relevant parts of my post without indication that you did so! Keep up the GREAT work of showing all what's truly beneath the polite surface!!! We've seen many such as yourself come (and go) on here throughout the years.....
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>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 22:10 GMT <SNIP>
>I'm still waitiing for ONE good reason for needing to know their >address. Please outline your authority on USENET and in society, and why I have the obligation to spell out my motives to you?
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>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 23:03 GMT >Please outline your authority on USENET and in society, and why I have >the obligation to spell out my motives to you? I don't have any authority over usenet. But police do routinely watch over the inernet looking for illegal activity. And it sounds like you're succeeding in trying ting their attention by indicating you want this guys home address.
How do you know someone in this usenet newsgoup isn't with the police in Indiana?
equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 23:11 GMT >>Please outline your authority on USENET and in society, and why I have >>the obligation to spell out my motives to you? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >How do you know someone in this usenet newsgoup isn't with the >police in Indiana? I'm truly enjoying your self-immolation on here, LOL!!! What are you going to use for your next screen name after you get spanked out of using the one you have now?!?
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>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- equalizer - 01 Jan 2005 23:15 GMT >>Please outline your authority on USENET and in society, and why I have >>the obligation to spell out my motives to you? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >How do you know someone in this usenet newsgoup isn't with the >police in Indiana? Please outline what I've said that can be construed as breaking the law?!? You got your law degree from TV, Amy!!!! You don't live in reality!! USENET is your way out from the desolate existence you're trapped in! If you had your way, you'd be a little NAZI bitch who could pass judgment over people with the snap of your fingers. Thankfully, this is America -- at least where I'm posting from, and your neurosis has no bearing on reality. LOL!
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>----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups >---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Erik - 02 Jan 2005 01:12 GMT I wouldn't call her a bitch by any means, but she does seem to maybe go over the edge in her observations of the postings left by you. I looked over all of your posts and not only do I not see anything wrong, but far from illegal. I do not see anything that leads up to any indication of potential harassment.
***In the meantime, here is something we can all chew on*** Contact info for the top-guns of Wal-Mart. After all, we must remember and appreciate the chain of command:
Mr. David Glass President & CEO Wal-Mart Mr. Thomas M. Schoewe EP & CFO Wal-Mart Phone(501)273-4786 Fax:(501)273-6850 E-mail: bbreith@wal-mart.com
>>>Please outline your authority on USENET and in society, and why I have >>>the obligation to spell out my motives to you? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>Newsgroups >>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- idseer - 02 Jan 2005 15:51 GMT my opinion, tho unasked for, is equalizer was suggesting the very thing amy was thinking he was suggesting! don't bother denyong it ... it's evident to anyone. the only thing is, i would have assumed it was tongue-in-cheek and amy should have left it alone.
>I wouldn't call her a bitch by any means, but she does seem to maybe go >over the edge in her observations of the postings left by you. I looked [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>>Newsgroups >>>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Erik - 02 Jan 2005 16:50 GMT I would agree with you on a level of assumption which is what many go by. However, looking at it from a technical standpoint, he did not indicate any motive other than exercising his right to free speech. As for the undertone suggestion, I do agree with you, but this again is an assumption and can not be totally determined by how we translate it. Never-the-less, I butted in where I most likely do not belong and will leave it at that.
> my opinion, tho unasked for, is equalizer was suggesting the very thing > amy was thinking he was suggesting! don't bother denyong it ... it's [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>>>Newsgroups >>>>---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Frank Pittel - 31 Dec 2004 13:24 GMT In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Darmok <cooncat.spam@hotpop.com> wrote:
: >I did a bit of searching, and found an online "store feedback form" for : >Wal-Mart... I suggest as many people as possible fill one out & click : >submit, to they will learn that "we are not amused" by this happening : > : >http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore/wmstores/Container.jsp?template=OnlineForm.jsp
: Just fired off a complaint ... if their britches aren't smoldering : when they finish reading it, I'd be surprised.
: I am totally outraged at this. Wal-Mart was to begin construction of : a store in my home town this upcoming year (2005). I may lead a : protest against it. I think we should wait until Wal-Mart is finished investigating the incident. In this days of lawsuites over anything and everything they need to be sure that what is claimed to have happened actually did. Remember Wal-Mart has a lot of stores and a lot of managers and can't be held responsible when a single manager does something stupid.
If the story turns out to be true and those involved don't get fired then I will no longer shop at any of their stores again.
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Cat Protector - 01 Jan 2005 02:55 GMT Playing devil's advocate in this one. These guys were just workers and the original story did say Walmart was outraged by the actions of these employees. I recommend people write to Walmart to find out what actions they are taking. If they side with the employees then I'd launch a nationwide protest.
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> I am totally outraged at this. Wal-Mart was to begin construction of > a store in my home town this upcoming year (2005). I may lead a > protest against it. Frank Pittel - 02 Jan 2005 04:50 GMT In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote:
: Playing devil's advocate in this one. These guys were just workers and the : original story did say Walmart was outraged by the actions of these : employees. I recommend people write to Walmart to find out what actions they : are taking. If they side with the employees then I'd launch a nationwide : protest. The results of Walmart's investigation in the matter has resulted in the termination of the three people involved. They also pledged to donate $10,000 to animal shelters local to the store involved. They also promised to cooperate with local authorities in regards to this matter. While I feel that Walmart did a lot of what they did to try and blunt any damage to their public image over the matter. I do believe that the upper management of Walmart disapprove of killing of cats outside their stores by employees. I also don't think that blaming a large corporation like Walmart for the actions of the ignorant and cruel actions of three employees.
To make a long story short Walmart didn't side with the employees and did what was the right thing to do in the situation.
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Gary - 01 Jan 2005 10:26 GMT > We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the > garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed) > handguns in the house That says it all. No guns, the cat probably would not have been shot.
Gary. PS - In the UK, and without wanting to start an off topic rant / flame war, I believe the USA attitude to gun ownership is completely disgusting and dangerous.
Gary - 01 Jan 2005 10:30 GMT >> We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the >> garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed) >> handguns in the house Also, just curious, why do you feel the need to own such an arsenal of weaponry? There must be dozens of situations in youe household which could result in accidental or non accidental death from that lot. I could not sleep at night if I was ware of such items in my house.
Gary.
Gary Stone - 01 Jan 2005 11:49 GMT >>> We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the >>> garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Gary. Now, Gary, you know our government, would you really like our citizens to be defenseless against it? ;-) "The evangelicals are coming, the evangelicals are coming!!!"
A hand held howitzer would be nice.
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Ivor Jones - 01 Jan 2005 11:55 GMT [snip]
> Now, Gary, you know our government, would you really like our > citizens to be defenseless against it? ;-) "The evangelicals are > coming, the evangelicals are coming!!!" > > A hand held howitzer would be nice. Could have done with one of those in my time as a bus driver, particularly at school chucking out time ;-)
Ivor
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From: "Gary" <gary@garywhittle.co.uk>
>>> We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the >>> garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed) >>> handguns in the house > >Also, just curious, why do you feel the need to own such an arsenal of >weaponry? You consider that an "arsenal"? That's a fairly typical American household. You'd probably soil your underwear in my house. (3) .22 cal rifles (2) 12 ga shotguns (1) 30-30 lever action rifle (1) Colt AR-15 5.56mm "assault rifle" (1) .308 bolt action "sniper rifle" (1) .357 magnum revolver (always loaded) (2) .40 cal semi auto pistols (always loaded) (2) .22 cal pistols (1) .25 cal pistol with hundreds or thousands of rounds for each one and (1) attack cat.
>There must be dozens of situations in youe household which could >result in accidental or non accidental death from that lot. Could. Sure. Likely, No. I had a garage door spring suddenly break, last weekend, and come within a foot of decapitating me. I dare say that I've come closer to being killed by my garage door than any gun that I've owned.
Americans are fond of their guns. For centuries they've put food on our tables, kicked the Brittish out of our country (no offense intended), protected us during the Westward Migration, kept Japan from invading the mainland during WW II (Gen. Tojo once said that if Japan invaded the US mainland that "There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass"....he wasn't talking about the military), and protected our homes.
>I could not >sleep at night if I was ware of such items in my house. Half the population of the US sleeps BETTER because we have guns in our home.
And BTW, all my guns are either being carried by me (or my wife), of are securely locked in a safe. Even the loaded .357 next to the bed is locked in a steel box that can be opened in seconds (if you know the combination). No child will ever gain unauthorized access to any gun that I own...and that is my biggest concern with gun ownership. In over 40 years, I've never had a gun fire by accident, nor known someone who has. I have, however, used a gun to keep me from being robbed...twice (no shots fired), to stop a guy from beating up his girlfriend (no shots fired), and, last year, to shoot a rabid raccoon that was <150 feet from a bunch of school kids at a bus stop (1 shot fired with the permission of the local police). My wife has pulled her gun once when a guy came up to her car at a traffic light and tried to pull her door open, and , finding the door locked, reached under his jacket to grab something but stopped and ran off when he saw a .40 cal muzzle pointed at his head (no shots fired). We are both licensed for concealed carry and bring a gun everywhere. No problem.
I'm glad you feel "safe" while being virtually defenseless, but a lot of people don't share that opinion. Nor do many cats!
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Gary - 02 Jan 2005 10:10 GMT > You consider that an "arsenal"? That's a fairly typical American > household. > You'd probably soil your underwear in my house.
> (3) .22 cal rifles > (2) 12 ga shotguns [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > with hundreds or thousands of rounds for each one > and (1) attack cat. Judging by your list, you are probably right, I would almost certainly soil my underwear. It is absolute madness.
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Frank Pittel - 02 Jan 2005 04:42 GMT In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Gary <gary@garywhittle.co.uk> wrote:
: > We have 2 machettis, a couple of axes/hatchets & a chainsaw out in the : > garage.... plus a shotgun and 4 (legal - both hubby & I are licensed) : > handguns in the house
: That says it all. No guns, the cat probably would not have been shot.
: Gary. : PS - In the UK, and without wanting to start an off topic rant / flame war, : I believe the USA attitude to gun ownership is completely disgusting and : dangerous. They shot the cat with a pellet gun. I don't know about the UK a pellet gun is considered a toy for children.
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Gary - 02 Jan 2005 10:08 GMT > They shot the cat with a pellet gun. I don't know about the UK a pellet > gun is considered a toy for children. Not something a responsible parent would give to a kid. Point taken though.
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blkcatgal - 30 Dec 2004 22:31 GMT Just one more reason why I will not shop at Wal-Mart.
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> Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday. Amy Gray - 31 Dec 2004 00:48 GMT >Just one more reason why I will not shop at Wal-Mart. Why? Wal-mart has done what they legally can now.
Anymore then that and they would be sued faster than you can say lawyer.
Frank Pittel - 31 Dec 2004 13:15 GMT Why's that?? Of course you've already made up your mind about not going to Wal-Mart and are using this incident to justify it to yourself. What happened at the store will most likely end up with everyone involved getting fired from Wal-Mart and the legal prosecution of those that broke any laws.
I think Wal-Mart is doing a good job in dealing with this and is to commended for their response. I don't think that the chain should be held responsibile for the actions of an ignorant manager and a couple of employees.
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: > Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat : > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] : > : > Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday.
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.oO rach Oo. - 31 Dec 2004 13:32 GMT I agree. Walmart is the devil in my opinion. This just cements my belief.
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> Just one more reason why I will not shop at Wal-Mart. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >> Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday. buick - 30 Dec 2004 23:35 GMT If you'd like to speak your mind, look up Christopher Andersons phone number at whitepages.com.
> Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday. Erik - 31 Dec 2004 03:37 GMT You mean one of these Andersons???
http://www.whitepages.com/search/Find_Person?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=C hristopher&name=Anderson&city_zip=&state_id=IN
> If you'd like to speak your mind, look up Christopher Andersons phone > number at whitepages.com. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> >> Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday. buick - 01 Jan 2005 21:09 GMT Look up the zip code too :) Youll find THE anderson.
> You mean one of these Andersons??? > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>> >>> Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday. Cat Protector - 01 Jan 2005 02:52 GMT These managers should be shot to death themselves with a pellet gun. I hope these people get what's coming to them. I feel so bad for that poor kitty which did nothing to them.
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> Wal-Mart Workers Accused of Shooting Cat > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Anderson and Hardin were scheduled for a hearing next Tuesday. Greg R - 01 Jan 2005 04:17 GMT I am glad the Wal-Mart fired the workers and will fire anyone evolved with it. That was horrible. They also ought to charge them with illegal position of a weapon to my understating and contributing to a delinquency of a minor.
Now, those who mentioned the Humane Society. I got a beef with that. Most animal shelters put animals to sleep once a week. I consider those shelters people who put animals to sleep just as bad as those people that shot the cat. I believe in a non-kill shelter.
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Max Mustermann - 01 Jan 2005 22:23 GMT Let's hope there is more happening to these morons that just a firing. This is the usual WalMart, or any other corp for that matter, saying that they are "appalled" etc. Let's hope the courts deal out some heavy duty punishment rather than a slap on the wrist for these dopes. Heavy fines, some jail time is the only resolution that should be accepted. I think until WalMart makes more of a definitive statement on this, they need to know that lots of people are watching and waiting........with dollars in hand for them or another store. I have written several letters to them. They can be contacted on their website at: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264: 121283
Amy Gray - 01 Jan 2005 22:36 GMT >Let's hope there is more happening to these morons that just a firing. What more would you have them do beyond firing? Beyond firing them and turning the matter over to the police there really isn't much wal-mart can do to them. Further action must, as it should be up to the police and the DA. Wal-mart is limited by law in what else it can do.
Also there is precedent in these cases where the firing is overturned by courts.
Erik - 02 Jan 2005 01:12 GMT We must not forget this info:
Mr. David Glass President & CEO Wal-Mart Mr. Thomas M. Schoewe EP & CFO Wal-Mart Phone(501)273-4786 Fax:(501)273-6850 E-mail: bbreith@wal-mart.com
> >Let's hope there is more happening to these morons that just a firing. > What more would you have them do beyond firing? Beyond firing them [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Newsgroups > ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- idseer - 02 Jan 2005 16:03 GMT so much news ... so many idiots.
> Let's hope there is more happening to these morons that just a firing. > This is the usual WalMart, or any other corp for that matter, saying that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264: > 121283 Mary - 02 Jan 2005 16:32 GMT > so much news ... so many idiots. lol!
Erik - 02 Jan 2005 17:00 GMT You don't need to say things like that. Last time I checked, anyone and everyone on here has a right to express how they feel, not call names. But I must admit, I did get carried away with this based on emotions and the thought of that poor kitty. I am far from a lawmaker, but I wish there was such a thing as an eye for an eye rule sometimes.
> so much news ... so many idiots. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264: >> 121283 Mary - 02 Jan 2005 17:15 GMT > You don't need to say things like that. Last time I checked, anyone and > everyone on here has a right to express how they feel, not call names. You're half right. "Calling names" is part of expressing how we feel. We are allowed to do that too.
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> must admit, I did get carried away with this based on emotions and the > thought of that poor kitty. I am far from a lawmaker, but I wish there was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >> I have written several letters to them. They can be contacted on their > >> website at: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
> >> 121283 Erik - 02 Jan 2005 22:40 GMT You are indeed correct on the name calling. I just thought there may have been a level in which we would not go to. I guess it's different strokes for different folks. You are what you are I guess. No hard feelings. Just observing and commenting.
>> You don't need to say things like that. Last time I checked, anyone and >> everyone on here has a right to express how they feel, not call names. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264: >> >> 121283 Mary - 02 Jan 2005 23:34 GMT > You are indeed correct on the name calling. I just thought there may have > been a level in which we would not go to. I guess it's different strokes for > different folks. You are what you are I guess. No hard feelings. Just > observing and commenting. Okay, good. Now, about this top posting .... ;)
> >> You don't need to say things like that. Last time I checked, anyone and > >> everyone on here has a right to express how they feel, not call names. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >> >> I have written several letters to them. They can be contacted on their > >> >> website at: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264:
> >> >> 121283 idseer - 03 Jan 2005 00:29 GMT i don't know about others, but outlook express puts the curser at the top in my reply setup so i would assume that is the preferred way. i do understand the idea of a reply coming AFTER the post in question tho. it surprises me how upset some people (not saying you do) get over this.
>> You are indeed correct on the name calling. I just thought there may have >> been a level in which we would not go to. I guess it's different strokes [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264: >> >> >> 121283 Dave - 03 Jan 2005 01:49 GMT >i don't know about others, but outlook express puts the curser at the top in >my reply setup so i would assume that is the preferred way. i do understand >the idea of a reply coming AFTER the post in question tho. >it surprises me how upset some people (not saying you do) get over this. The top of the window is the correct place for the cursor, otherwise you'd need to move the cursor to the top of the window manually to start trimming the unneeded text.
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Mary - 03 Jan 2005 01:57 GMT > i don't know about others, but outlook express puts the curser at the top in > my reply setup so i would assume that is the preferred way. i do understand > the idea of a reply coming AFTER the post in question tho. > it surprises me how upset some people (not saying you do) get over this. It just makes it damned near impossible to figure out who said what in a long thread. Not that big a deal.
idseer - 03 Jan 2005 00:27 GMT not a problem :)
> You are indeed correct on the name calling. I just thought there may have > been a level in which we would not go to. I guess it's different strokes [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264: >>> >> 121283 idseer - 02 Jan 2005 21:28 GMT to answer this in YOUR own words from the 'updat' thread .... "looking at it from a technical standpoint, he did not indicate any motive other than exercising his right to free speech. As for the undertone suggestion, I do agree with you, but this again is an assumption and can not be totally determined by how we translate it."
i think you assumed i was talking about a specific individual. i certainly wasn't calling any specific person a name ... just making a general observation. :)
hey! no one loves cats more than i (unless they're sick in some way). the perps got what they had coming to them and it's settled. wal-mart did the right thing. in fact i believe there are a lot of establishments that wouldn't have even done that. they should be commended .... not trashed.
> You don't need to say things like that. Last time I checked, anyone and > everyone on here has a right to express how they feel, not call names. But [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264: >>> 121283 Erik - 02 Jan 2005 22:47 GMT Wal-Mart did do the right thing for sure. I was misguided in your recent post in regards to the name calling. Sorry about that. I could not help but think that way since it followed a slew of posts by two people in particular. Never-the-less, I stand corrected.
I love kitties too and it just took me back when I read that article. I was brought up in a place where the highest in command is ultimatly responsible regardless if it from the action of others. Being the owner of a company, I can tell you that if even the janitor or secretary did something like this, I would (without any issue) take responsibility for my company. I know Sam Walton did not come back from the dead and hire these three morons, but Wal-Mart (in my opinion) should pay dearly in the courts along with the three morons. When an emplyee is clocked in, they become part of the company whether they are fired later or not. Back when I ws in the Air Force up until now, I strongly beleive in the proper chain of command with ultimate responsibility. As an example(although it is extreme) take Abu Grhaib prison in Iraq. Who paid the price? Yes, the jerkoffs who abused the prisoners, but so did the Army and ultimatly we, the United States did as we should have. 'nuff said from me. Time to go get cat food ;)
> to answer this in YOUR own words from the 'updat' thread .... "looking at > it from a technical standpoint, he did not indicate any motive other than [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121283&path=0:5436:121264: >>>> 121283
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