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Marley1964 - 29 Dec 2004 19:04 GMT Hi everyone! First off a little background- I have two male cats that are neutered and declawed. And two male dogs-a Rottie and a Pug.We lost 2 cats and 1 dog because of illness and old age last year. We just adopted a female cat-5y/o spay and recently declawed. When we adopted her she had ear mites and the agency we got her from gave us all her records and medication.We took her the vets asap.And was told to have her separated from our other pets because of the ear mites. She is a total lover.Then we got her declawed and had to be separated again because I have a very eager Pug.We had her separated in the basement. Now all she does is hide in the basement and won't come up to be with us.She used to be a cuddlier when we got her now she is a skiddish cat that hides in the basement all the time. What can we do to make her more social and included in the family? TIA Lori
agent smith - 29 Dec 2004 19:28 GMT you are a very bad person. why, oh why, would you have a cat declawed? if its shredding sh.t, TRIM THE NAILS! how would you like it if i ripped off your finger to the first joint? you people make me sick *spits*
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BC - 29 Dec 2004 19:34 GMT > Hi everyone! First off a little background- I have two male cats that > are neutered and declawed. And two male dogs-a Rottie and a Pug.We lost [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You are just going to have to be EXTREMELY kind to her from now on. From her point of view she came into your home an extremely friendly cat and you repaid her by locking her away and taking away the claws she had happily lived with for 5 years. Give her lots of cuddles, spend lots of time with her without all your other pets there and give her plenty of time. If she doesn't change she is not the cat for you. I am surprised that she has not run away with all the trauma that has happened to her recently, a new home should be a friendly one, yours does not appear to have been. You have a lot of work to do to gain her trust again, good luck, you are gonna need it.
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Erik - 29 Dec 2004 20:13 GMT First off, never declaw another cat again. Not my place to say, but I hope you come back as a person who loses their fingers in a most painful way so you can get an idea of what an idiot you have been. To make your cat happy, maybe you can start with inventing a way to put their fingers back on, moron.
>> Hi everyone! First off a little background- I have two male cats that >> are neutered and declawed. And two male dogs-a Rottie and a Pug.We lost [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > not appear to have been. You have a lot of work to do to gain her trust > again, good luck, you are gonna need it. Marley1964 - 30 Dec 2004 01:07 GMT Sorry,if I crossed you guys.But,I am a huge animal lover and all my pets are indoors and loved and cared for.To declaw or not to.I simply was looking for an answer to a problem.You didn't have to be so rude! Have a safe and happy holiday.
Victor Martinez - 30 Dec 2004 01:27 GMT The problem is that most reasonable people will consider declawing a horrible practice. Did you know it is banned in every industrialized country except the US?
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jacquie0 - 30 Dec 2004 06:41 GMT > The problem is that most reasonable people will consider declawing a > horrible practice. Did you know it is banned in every industrialized > country except the US? Sorry to tell you Victor.....unfortunately it is legal in Canada also. I personally think that it is cruel, and would never subject my cats to such mutilation, but I know for a fact that in Canada it is quite a common practice.
BC - 30 Dec 2004 11:47 GMT >> The problem is that most reasonable people will consider declawing a >> horrible practice. Did you know it is banned in every industrialized [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > such mutilation, but I know for a fact that in Canada it is quite a > common practice. Anything that is done to an animal for it to fit in with our lives, or make it fashionable is cruel. We should work with the animals lifestyle or not own them at all. Declawing in cats, docking tails in dogs, nicking horses tails, all unnecessary and therefore cruel. All forms of mutilation should be for medical and welfare reasons only. Unfortunately these forms of mutilation, including docking, although illegal in England are still done by breeders. Making it illegal is not enough, it needs judges to actually refuse to judge animals that have had illegal procedures.
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Victor Martinez - 30 Dec 2004 14:19 GMT > Sorry to tell you Victor.....unfortunately it is legal in Canada also. I My friend in Canada says it's not done there at all. Perhaps it's a local thing? She lives near Calgary.
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jacquie0 - 30 Dec 2004 21:07 GMT >> Sorry to tell you Victor.....unfortunately it is legal in Canada also. I > > My friend in Canada says it's not done there at all. Perhaps it's a > local thing? She lives near Calgary. Maybe it is illegal in Alberta, but I know for a fact that in Ontario, it is done all the time.
Dave - 30 Dec 2004 23:43 GMT >>> Sorry to tell you Victor.....unfortunately it is legal in Canada also. I >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Maybe it is illegal in Alberta, but I know for a fact that in Ontario, >it is done all the time. It's quite legal in Calgary, but my vet said it's uncommon, although not unheard of.
Victor Martinez - 30 Dec 2004 14:19 GMT > Sorry to tell you Victor.....unfortunately it is legal in Canada also. I My friend in Canada says it's not done there at all. Perhaps it's a local thing? She lives near Calgary.
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Victor Martinez - 30 Dec 2004 14:19 GMT > Sorry to tell you Victor.....unfortunately it is legal in Canada also. I My friend in Canada says it's not done there at all. Perhaps it's a local thing? She lives near Calgary.
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Amur_ - 30 Dec 2004 15:05 GMT >> Sorry to tell you Victor.....unfortunately it is legal in Canada also. I > > My friend in Canada says it's not done there at all. Perhaps it's a > local thing? She lives near Calgary. Perhaps what she said was only in reference to her locale. I'm in Ontario and the procedure is neither taboo nor uncommon...
Alison - 30 Dec 2004 10:49 GMT > Sorry,if I crossed you guys.But,I am a huge animal lover and all my pets > are indoors and loved and cared for.To declaw or not to.I simply was > looking for an answer to a problem.You didn't have to be so rude! Have a > safe and happy holiday. Unfortunately, it's a very controversial subject and peopele feel passionately about it . I think if you had been fully informed by your vet, you wouldn't have had it done. Back to your question, your cat has had a traumatic time. She lost every thing familiar to her when she was placed in a rescue, been through a painful operation and is in a strange place which dogs and other cats who could be a threat to her. Cats avoid what they fear and feel safe in their own territory.
It would be best of your could move her out of the basement and in a room of her own or with humans and no other animals where she can feel safe and secure and regain her confidence. Spending quality time with her including playing with interactive toys will help her. Don't introduce her to any other animals until she has regained her confidence and feels happier . Introducing her to the other animals must be done very carefully and slowly so she doesn't feel over whelmed and threatened by them.
These lnks from Pam Johnsons forum will give you advice on how to introduce cats.
Introducing new cat http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ptthinkcat/?msg=13954.1
Interactive play time http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ptthinkcat/?msg=11667.1
and info about cat declaw
http://community-2.webtv.net/zuzu22/STOPDECLAWCOM/
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Gee - 01 Jan 2005 12:23 GMT "Alison" <alison@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> Unfortunately, it's a very controversial subject and peopele feel > passionately about it . I think if you had been fully informed by your [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > must be done very carefully and slowly so she doesn't feel over > whelmed and threatened by them. Marley, as upset as you are with us here for telling you off, I do hope you read and take aboard the help people here HAVE provided , besides the angryness. I know you don;t wanna be yelled at, nobody does, but you HAVE TO now start putting yourself in your pet's position and understand things from HER point of view. I completely agree with what Alyson said, your cat has been through so much trauma since she came into your house, that she is simply SCARED of you and what will you do to her next. So she has found a refuge in the basement and is hiding there. She is not happy. She might be in pain as well from declawing. I jus hope she didnt suffer any permanent damage which declawed cats mostly do. But what's done is done. Lets make the future better.
So pls if you do love her, really really love her, do something for HER, cos declawing was for YOU. Give her love, LOTS of love. Bribe her with best foods. Best toys. Lots of scratches. Big playhouse/cat tree, stringy toys, ping pong balls, cat bed on top of the cupboard. Prove to her nothing bad will happen to her ever again. Make this a home SHE will enjoy, by giving her pleasurable time. Make sure those paws of hers are not hurting.
And make sure you change a vet. A vet who thinks more of getting money of you, then giving you a decent advice about, and worse, performing declawing, is NOT a good vet, and I wouldn;t trust him with my used tampons, let alone my beloved pet. Think about this next time you take your pet to him, can you really trust him with any diagnosis/medication, now that you know he only wants your money and doesn;t give a hoot nanny of the wellbeing of your pet! Please reconsider!
Its a shame you didn't visit the boards here before you decide on the op, the disaster could;ve been prevented. People here might be (rightly) angry about animal abuse in any form(and yes declawing IS animal abuse, which is why is banned in most countries,just like tail docking, ) but people on cat boards are very knowledgeable about the cats cos its what we love the most in the world, and are spending our time learning more about them every day.
So what happened happened, you didn't know how bad declawing was, but I do hope you will educate yourself now more about declawing, and if you really love your pets, that you will do best for THEM and not you in the future. You have a hard work in front of you, but you said you love your vats and I believe you so I'm sure that with a lot of your reassurance and displays of love and affection, your new girl will come out of basement and that you can have a happy rest of life together.
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PS: And this is the advice for any new reader in general-(NOT aimed at Marley): Anyone who prefers furniture to a living creature, should not have pets, or kids, end of the story. Scratching post is a must for any cat owner, and if you are really bothered with nails, get cat scissors and do some work. Don't punish a cat for being a cat. Learn about them and adopt to them, cos God knows they have to adopt to us. If you are of opinion that cats are "JUST A CAT" then you are not the best person to have a cat. You will not be happy with them and they will certainly not be happy with you. If you are number 1 in your life, you are not a good parent. Kids and Pets HAVE to go first. I respect people who understand this much more then people who have pets and kids and make their lives miserable. Finally, you will NEVER experience bigger love then the unconditional love you get from your pets. Unless you pay attention to your pets and learn about them more, believe me , you WILL be missing out on so much joy and happiness. They are the best TV I could;ve ever asked for :)
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mlbriggs - 30 Dec 2004 18:02 GMT > Hi everyone! First off a little background- I have two male cats that > are neutered and declawed. And two male dogs-a Rottie and a Pug.We lost [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > <img > src="http://members.tripod.com/~jenlynn/subdirectory2/lgpug.gif"></center></html> How would you feel about someone who chopped your fingers and toes off?
Toni&Nate - 01 Jan 2005 14:14 GMT HOW COULD YOU HAVE A FIVE YEAR OLD CAT DECLAWED! Did you ask your vet for any pain medication to put into the poor animal's food while it was recovering from this trauma'. Also, you need to make your pug leaves this cat alone, as she is totally stressed out. She came into your household a warm loving animal with a common health problem, and now needs time and understanding. She could be hiding for several weeks.
Marley1964 - 04 Jan 2005 18:24 GMT Thank you all for your replies....I have had numerous cats and they all have been declawed-it may not be your choice but it was mine.Cashmere is coming upstairs on a regular basis-sleeping on my bed next to me.She and my other cats are getting along.She was on a pain patch when her surgery was done.She had laser declaw if you researched it out it is a lot less painful than the old method.
Gee - 05 Jan 2005 00:34 GMT > Thank you all for your replies....I have had numerous cats and they all > have been declawed-it may not be your choice but it was mine.Cashmere is > coming upstairs on a regular basis-sleeping on my bed next to me.She and > my other cats are getting along.She was on a pain patch when her surgery > was done.She had laser declaw if you researched it out it is a lot less > painful than the old method. I am glad poor girl is slowly recovering and has started trusting you and other cats again.My heart goes out to her for all the hard times she has been through. I hope the rest of your times together is happier.
As for reseraching the laser method, really, regardless on a method, declawing is still a form of animal abuse and is as such banned in many countries. Nobody on this (or any other) cat board will bother researching another method of animal abuse.What would be the point? We here view cats with respect they deserve, and give them UNCONDITIONAL love. We don;t put our furniture first. We see them as our furrbabies. So a sofa gets scratched? Who cares! its only a sofa. Replacable item. My cats are NOT replaceble.
If you really love your cats like you say, pls reconsider next time. Would you really cut your childrens fingers just because they are touching everything not to your liking? Pls don;t do it to your furry children either.
Best wishes Gee
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