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chris - 18 Aug 2003 18:12 GMT
Our kitten is about 12 weeks old. We have recently let him outside the
house where there are fields, but he is stalked by an older and *very*
much bigger cat. He has a little bell on his collar which I am sure
does not help since the adult cat can probably hear him a mile off...

Is he too young to be outside? My partner found him today pinned to
the floor by this older cat, and I worry what would have happened if
she had not arrived earlier. I have noticed the adult cat lurking in
the bushes whenever our kitten is outside.

On the other hand, is this just the harsh reality of life for a cat,
and we should let him get used to the "mean streets" ?

I have no intention of keeping him permanently in the house, its
basically his decision, he seems a plucky little fella and is eager to
get back out there.

Cheers

Chris.
Victor M. Martinez - 18 Aug 2003 18:26 GMT
Why won't you consider keeping him indoors? Indoor-only cats live longer,
healthier lives and can be as happy and well-adjusted as indoor-outdoor cats.

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chris - 18 Aug 2003 22:17 GMT
> Why won't you consider keeping him indoors? Indoor-only cats live longer,
> healthier lives and can be as happy and well-adjusted as indoor-outdoor cats.

I dont mind keeping him inside at all - but it seems a shame since we
are adjacent to open countryside, and he does want to leave the house.
As I said, I wouldnt want to keep him in if he wants out, and vice
versa.
BTW. This adult cat is I believe from next door. Do you think
therefore that this is a territory thing?
Victor M. Martinez - 18 Aug 2003 22:57 GMT
>BTW. This adult cat is I believe from next door. Do you think
>therefore that this is a territory thing?

Absolutely. I would keep the kitten indoors at least until he has had all the
booster shots for his vaccines. Ask your veterinary for this.

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precious - 18 Aug 2003 18:27 GMT
Chris,
I would suggest a cat harness and a maybe 20 foot or so lead that way he is
still close to the house and you can keep an eye on him. also I would
refrain from letting him out when you are not home or not able to watch him.
Sincerely Precious
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> Our kitten is about 12 weeks old. We have recently let him outside the
> house where there are fields, but he is stalked by an older and *very*
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> Chris.
m. L. Briggs - 18 Aug 2003 20:17 GMT
>Chris,
>I would suggest a cat harness and a maybe 20 foot or so lead that way he is
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>> Chris.

If the "stalker" bites him or scratches him, he could (in all
probability) develop an abcess.  This is quite common in outdoor cats
and they can be deadly.

An indoor cat can live a much longer life and you will probably become
much "closer" to him.

The "harsh reality " of an outdoor cat is they can get injured, catch
diseases, get lost or killed.  At 12 weeks he is still a kitten.
Please take care of him.   MLB
bewtifulfreak - 18 Aug 2003 20:29 GMT
> If the "stalker" bites him or scratches him, he could (in all
> probability) develop an abcess.  This is quite common in outdoor cats
> and they can be deadly.

Not to mention he could catch feline leukemia or something like that.  Even
when they've been vaccinated, they're not 100% immune, and they're much more
likely to catch something if they're scrapping and getting scratched or
bitten a lot.

> An indoor cat can live a much longer life and you will probably become
> much "closer" to him.
>
> The "harsh reality " of an outdoor cat is they can get injured, catch
> diseases, get lost or killed.  At 12 weeks he is still a kitten.
> Please take care of him.

Well, that's it; whether you decide to keep your cat in or feel that your
area is safe enough to let them out, the fact is, he's still very young, and
may not be ready to be out on his own yet.  Even if he does show an interest
in being outdoors, at least at this age, it would be better to see that he's
supervised.  When he's older, you can decide if you feel he's able enough
and your area is safe enough for him to go out on his own, or whether to
continue to only let him out with a harness and/or under your watchful eye.

All the Best,
Ann

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DumbGuy - 19 Aug 2003 06:22 GMT
You really should reconsider the indoor/outdoor question. It's not just "his
decision." Cats are safer indoors, away from cars and aggressive cats.

> Our kitten is about 12 weeks old. We have recently let him outside the
> house where there are fields, but he is stalked by an older and *very*
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>
> Chris.
bewtifulfreak - 19 Aug 2003 18:16 GMT
> You really should reconsider the indoor/outdoor question. It's not
> just "his decision." Cats are safer indoors, away from cars and
> aggressive cats.

I agree to a point.  But if you have an indoor cat that constantly wants to
go out, and isn't accomodated at least on a harness, you will have one safe
but *very* unhappy cat.  I don't think there's anything wrong with having a
completely indoor cat - obviously, there are a lot of benefits - but I also
think cats should be given some access to the outdoors whenever possible,
whether in an enclosure, on a harness, being taken to a wide open field or
park, etc, particularly if they show a strong desire to go outside.

Ann

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Nadine - 20 Aug 2003 02:13 GMT
Chris wrote:
>Our kitten is about 12 weeks old. We have
>recently let him outside the house where there
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>Is he too young to be outside? My partner
>found him today pinned to the floor by this older
cat, and I worry what would have happened if
>she had not arrived earlier. I have noticed the
>adult cat lurking in the bushes whenever our
<kitten is outside.

I would keep him in until he is older and done with his series of
vaccinations.

Nadine
chris - 20 Aug 2003 06:43 GMT
The kitten has had his full set of vaccinations, we kept him in the
house for a further week after his booster jab, under the advisement
of his vet, then we let him out.

We live in North Wales, and there are no wild animals to worry about
as such - maybe just the cows that occasionally reside in the fields
behind! The road we live on is a very quiet one and I don't see cars
as being a major issue.

I dont agree that we should keep him indoors full stop - I am not an
expert on cats by any means, but surely he wants to be outside chasing
leaves and stalking butterflies? His current behaviour, and his thrill
at being outside does seem to bear this out. I am thinking at the
moment that I may approach my neighbour and see if we can get the cats
together in a controled way to see if they cannot reach some amicable
agreement :o)

Thank you all for your support on this issue. Regardless, I will keep
him indoors for a while longer, prehaps until he is looking big enough
to either be able to defend himself or run faster :o).
Shazza - 20 Aug 2003 07:40 GMT
> The kitten has had his full set of vaccinations, we kept him in the
> house for a further week after his booster jab, under the advisement
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> him indoors for a while longer, prehaps until he is looking big enough
> to either be able to defend himself or run faster :o).

At 12 weeks, I would definitely keep him indoors for now.  I recently
adopted two kittens that I keep indoors exclusively because of coyotes
sighted in our area, fleas, and possible negative interactions with other
cats/animals.  I had a year old male cat that just disappeared one day in
April.  Tonight I received a call from someone who had called the local
animal shelter to report a stray cat they've been caring for..  I stopped
by to look at the cat, but it wasn't my lost cat.  My cat's still missing
since April.  One of my neighbor's cats, an outside male cat wearing a
collar and ID tag, disappeared several weeks ago.  Recently I've been
seeing a large beige ragdoll-like cat that's been wandering through the
back yard and just the other night, managed to take the lid off a plastic
garbage can in our garage and open a plastic bag, feasting on four chicken
bones.  As soon as we opened the garage door, the cat took off like a
flash.  Feeling sorry for the cat, I left some dry food in the garage and
some canned food on the backporch.  The next day, the food was gone.  The
point I'm making is how precarious life must be for an outside cat.  I can
tell you that my Aunt, living in a rural area, has a female indoor/outdoor
cat that will leave for the night and return the following morning.
Troy - 20 Aug 2003 14:05 GMT
Chris, if you live in rural North Wales your cat is quite safe living
an outdoor life.

While he is in his earlier stage of his life it is best to supervise
his outdoor exploits until he is a little older and more confident
outside - of course there really is no specific age but I'm sure
you'll know when he reaches a stage where you feel comfortable letting
him out.

By the way, what do you exactly mean by "pinned to the floor"? If one
cat wants to attack and hurt another cat there is no room for
uncertainty about their intent - once they actually make contact all
hell breaks loose!

Troy.
bewtifulfreak - 20 Aug 2003 15:20 GMT
> Chris, if you live in rural North Wales your cat is quite safe living
> an outdoor life.
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> you'll know when he reaches a stage where you feel comfortable letting
> him out.

I agree wholeheartedly....it sounds like you're in a wonderful area for
having an outdoor cat, but, as Troy suggests, he just may need a bit more
supervision until he's gained a bit more confidence, and maybe size.... :)

And I agree that talking to the other cats owner might be helpful as well!

All the best with your little one,
Ann

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