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Cat Forum / General Topics / December 2004Problem with getting cat out of quarantine
My wife recently went to Hawaii to help her daughter. She took our cat with her on the plane. Delta led my wife to believe that this would be an easy process. We got all of the necassary shots, microchip etc. When she got there the 5 day quarantine turned into over a month. No matter what they just wouldnt release the cat. The people came up with ridiculous reasons and tried to put some scientific mumbo jumbo on my wife. She's a retired infection control nurse and so those lies didnt fly. My wife decided to come home and then they spring up some $600 fees. They tried to stop my wife leaving Hawaii unless she paid the $600. The cat is still there and I am hoping it hasn't been destroyed. We have had this cat 8 years. It is just unfair to charge an outrageous fee without warning. No other states do this and Hawaii law even states that the cat could only be quarantined if infection was suspected. What should we do to keep them from destroying the cat and to get the cat back? Any suggestions would be appreciated as i can't sleep at night for feeling like someone who has deserted his best frind in a cage. Thanks > My wife recently went to Hawaii to help her daughter. She took our > cat [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > feeling like someone who has deserted his best frind in a cage. > Thanks I guess I don't understand why you didn't contact an attorney after 5 days and 3 minutes. At this point, there is a beaurocrat who needs a beating, and you are responsible for arranging it. We didnt call an attorney because of the cost...but i am a paralegal who is very capable of filing suit.Finding the time to research Hawaii law could end up in our cat being destroyed in the meantime. I did some google searches and there are tons of complaints. The federal gov't has even created a grant to pay these ridiculuous fees. Quarantine used to be 120 days and over $1100. I'm real worried about my cat. Does anyone know of an SPCA that can help? Hell... Ill pay the fee in installments. > We didnt call an attorney because of the cost...but i am a paralegal > who is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > an > SPCA that can help? Hell... Ill pay the fee in installments. This is nuts. I'd write to the newspapers there, and call as many TV news departments as possible. Sometimes, embarrassment works nicely. >>We didnt call an attorney because of the cost...but i am a paralegal >>who is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > This is nuts. I'd write to the newspapers there, and call as many TV news > departments as possible. Sometimes, embarrassment works nicely. You took the words right out of my mouth Doug. That is exactly what I would do. Nobody likes to be put in the spotlight when it could lead to potential embarassement. > >>We didnt call an attorney because of the cost...but i am a paralegal > >>who is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > would do. Nobody likes to be put in the spotlight when it could lead to > potential embarassement. Well....there aren't many options. He could try walking into the place where these morons work and saying "You and I are going to be best friends until I get my cat back in good condition". Then, he takes a large nylon wire tie and handcuffs himself to the government moron. Hopefully, they are of opposite genders, which makes the whole situation really uncomfortable a few times a day. He waits till it's time for the moron to go home and explains that they'll be going home together....etc....etc. If my son were reading this, he'd suggest that the cat owner eat 3 large cans of baked beans before the handcuffing is done. Not a bad idea. Would this be kidnapping if the cat owner simply said "I'm going wherever YOU go"? > > We didnt call an attorney because of the cost...but i am a paralegal > > who is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > This is nuts. I'd write to the newspapers there, and call as many TV news > departments as possible. Sometimes, embarrassment works nicely. And sometimes it deosnt;!Why risk??? It just may anger them enough to put the cat to sleep with some pathetic excuse such as infection! Do not risk! If it was my pet I'd get it out first. Get it out before they put it to sleep! Find the money and PAY! (The longer you leave it, the higher the bill is going to be). THEN FIGHT! Call the papers, TV etc anyone who'd listen. Why didnt the airline inform you about Hawaian quarantine laws? I'd kick up the fuss with them as well! But NO amount of money is worth loosing your pet for. Once you get your pet safely in YOUR hands, then fight the system. Becuase you may not win, and you may loose both your friend and your money. Do you really think you can live with this guilt on your head of putting money before your pet? Don;t wait. Get your cat out NOW while you still can. Please! Gee > > > We didnt call an attorney because of the cost...but i am a paralegal > > > who is [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Gee Apparently, it has not occurred to you that the gov't office which handles these illegal quarantines is staffed by people who are waiting for a bribe. The pet owner should walk in the a police officer and demand that the animal be released NOW. If the thing they speak to cannot point to something in writing which allows such a long quarantine, the cop should be able to arrange for the pet's release. "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > This is nuts. I'd write to the newspapers there, and call as many TV > news [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > But NO amount of money is worth loosing your pet for. Once you get your > pet safely in YOUR hands, then fight the system. Becuase you may not win, and > > you may loose both your friend and your money. Do you really think you can > > live with this guilt on your head of putting money before your pet? Don;t [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Apparently, it has not occurred to you that the gov't office which handles > these illegal quarantines is staffed by people who are waiting for a bribe. Apparently, you haven;t read my reply, which did NOT mantion bribe, but paying the official cost that they've asked for which was I believe$600. > The pet owner should walk in the a police officer and demand that the animal > be released NOW. The police will not do jack. Not even in UK, traditionally animal loving country, police would be dealing with this kind of issue. If the thing they speak to cannot point to something in > writing which allows such a long quarantine, the cop should be able to > arrange for the pet's release. I wish it could be that easy! Even if a policeman did decide to go and investigate, which he wouldn;t cos human crimes are more important to them, I;m sure quarantine people can easily produce some good enough reasons why they are keeping your cat, whether the reasons were legal or false. I don;t know the system over there, and nor does the OP, and nor do you, so why risk the lif of his cat? Would you? Hawai might not have ANY laws on protecting animals, just like many countries don't.So police would prbably just laugh at the OP if he followed your suggestion.I know police in lodsa Europian contries would! I stand by what I said.If you wanna risk angering them and them putting your pet down, do what this guy and previous guys suggested. They can VERY easily put your cat down and forge a document stating pet has had some serious desease,therefore they would;ve been within their rights to put him down, IF they really wanted to do it! There is no chance you could prove otherwise. If only fighting a system was easy! If it was, I certainly would've gotten rid of Blair and Ken Livingstone LONG time ago, and make them pay for things they've done! But life is a bi##h, so don;t anger it.It can bite you hard! Don;t risk. Get cat to safety, then fight the system.Not the other way round. Do it right. > > Apparently, it has not occurred to you that the gov't office which handles > > these illegal quarantines is staffed by people who are waiting for a > bribe. > > Apparently, you haven;t read my reply, which did NOT mantion bribe, but > paying the official cost that they've asked for which was I believe$600. The official cost IS a bribe, since it has no basis in reality. You can feed a cat for 6 months *and* have a long list of medical tests done for far less than that. > > The pet owner should walk in the a police officer and demand that the > animal > > be released NOW. > > The police will not do jack. Not even in UK, traditionally animal loving > country, police would be dealing with this kind of issue. The goal is not to have the cop investigate the quarantine laws. The point is to have the cop intervene, with the knowledge that if he doesn't, things are going to get ugly when you go back to the place without him. Most sane cops will absolutely try and keep the peace, rather than have a situation escalate after they've been informed of that likelihood. > I wish it could be that easy! Where do you live??? I mean, country and perhaps state or province or whatever. This information would go far in explaining your expressions of complete helplessness. "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >>but paying the official cost that they've asked for which was I believe$600. > The official cost IS a bribe, since it has no basis in reality. You can feed > a cat for 6 months *and* have a long list of medical tests done for far less than that. Of course. If the cat was at home. You are obviously unaware of the high costs of quarantining the animals that enter the country. $600 for a month is nothing.Here in UK, for a 6 months mandatory quarantine owners have to pay ridiculous amounts of money which goes into 5 digits! Not kiddin. So $600 is nothing. > > > The pet owner should walk in the a police officer and demand that the animal be released NOW. > > The police will not do jack. Not even in UK, traditionally animal loving > > country, police would be dealing with this kind of issue. > > The goal is not to have the cop investigate the quarantine laws. The point > is to have the cop intervene, with the knowledge that if he doesn't, things > are going to get ugly when you go back to the place without him. Most sane cops will absolutely try and keep the peace, rather than have a situation escalate after they've been informed of that likelihood. Unfortunately it doesn;t work like that. The cops don;t intervene until there is already a human problem in place.Just becuase you say you gonna go yell and scream at someone, they will not do anything until it actually happens and they are called for disturbance.The same way the woman who reports a stokeris completely unprotected until he actually causes some physical damage. > > I wish it could be that easy! > > Where do you live??? London, UK, animal loveing country with (pathetic but at least existant) animal abuse laws in place, 6 months (unnececery but) mandatory quarantine and around (ridiculous) ?100 a night general cat boarding if you go on holidays. So $600(~350) is really nothing comparing to what UK charges for its quarantine - 5 digits! I mean, country and perhaps state or province or > whatever. This information would go far in explaining your expressions of > complete helplessness. Complete helplesness??? Don;t make me laugh. I just got my priorities straigh,adn knowledge of some countries animal rights point of view. And its not roses. Banging your head against a brick wall is considered dangerous you know. Its sad that you still think you can change the system, but I know a bit about how unfair life can be, and I also know where my priorities are. Chosing between my pet and a "male ego" or pride, I know who'd I'd chose, and it wouldn;t be my ego nor pride. You have to have your priorities straight.Like I said, once the pet is in his safe hands, fight as much as you want, but for him to go and put his pet INTO a danger of killing it becuase of some crazy believes that he can change a system of a foreign country, would be ludacris! If it was your pet or your child, would you really risk it? You go fight the system, and a foreign country system at that! I know where my priorities lie! These are just some of the UK quarantine rules and regualtions, (with costs conviniently excluded from the site). http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quarantine/Quarantine/procedures/qprocs.htm > "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > >>but paying the official cost that they've asked for which was I > believe$600. > > > The official cost IS a bribe, since it has no basis in reality. You can > feed a cat for 6 months *and* have a long list of medical tests done for far > less than that. I just googled for Hawaiian quarantine laws http://www.hawaii.com/move/quarantine.html http://www.rrsc.k12.hi.us/moving/petinfo.htm http://www.hawaiidatabooks.com/bigisland/02_necessities.html http://www.hawaiiag.org/hdoa/ai_aqs_info.htm and there is a mandatory 30 day quarantine in place with a legal cost of $655. Its not a bribe. Its the law. Just like in UK. At least its not 6 months. Like in UK. OP has to pay.For whatever reason his cat did not meet the 5day quarantine requirements. He HAS to pay if he wants the cat back. AFTER getting his pet, while still on premises, he should get on paper reasons as to why his cat didn't meet 5 day requirement, THEN and only THEN, fight it if untrue by all the other means suggested by other posters. All they need to say is that the cat got ill while in quarantine and had to be kept for observation for rabies scare, and NO LAW in any country will be able to do anything about it. And yes, costs can double if cats tays there for another month. get the cat out OP please! > Its sad that you still think you can change the system, <snip> Ha! I do it several times a year. You can, too. >>Where do you live??? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > holidays. So $600(~350) is really nothing comparing to what UK charges for > its quarantine - 5 digits! Our quarantine may seem excessive but it has kept our country free from disease. £100 pound a night IS ridiculous. Do they provide tv's and human food for them? Where I live prices for general cat boarding start at £5 a day up to £10 max! You would be mad to put your cat somewhere that charges that much!  SignatureBadger Badger Badger >>>Where do you live??? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >at £5 a day up to £10 max! You would be mad to put your cat somewhere >that charges that much! Why is it in quarantine? My understanding is Canada used to quarantine cats, they no longer do it. So if Canada has stopped doing it why aren't others stopping it too? > Why is it in quarantine? My understanding is Canada used to > quarantine cats, they no longer do it. So if Canada has stopped > doing it why aren't others stopping it too? New Zealand quarantines because it is free of many nasties that affect the rest of the world (including rabies) and wants to keep it that way. > > Why is it in quarantine? My understanding is Canada used to > > quarantine cats, they no longer do it. So if Canada has stopped > > doing it why aren't others stopping it too? > > New Zealand quarantines because it is free of many nasties that affect the > rest of the world (including rabies) and wants to keep it that way. No rabies? Zero??? > > > Why is it in quarantine? My understanding is Canada used to > > > quarantine cats, they no longer do it. So if Canada has stopped [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > No rabies? Zero??? Nope.No rabies in UK either. > Nope.No rabies in UK either. The difference being you had it, but eliminated it. We never had it. > > Nope.No rabies in UK either. > > The difference being you had it, but eliminated it. We never had it. ??? Not sure of the point of your reply. >> > Nope.No rabies in UK either. >> >> The difference being you had it, but eliminated it. We never had it. > > ??? Not sure of the point of your reply. Just one of those interesting things. > No rabies? Zero??? Yup. As well as no foot and mouth. Zero. And no lots of other things. Zero. That comes along with no land borders with another country and strict quarantine. When the quarantine fails and we get something that's commonplace elsewhere hitching a ride on imports or containers, it can be something of a national disaster. For example, the veroa bee mite finally found its way to our shores a couple of years ago and decimated our beekeeping industry. Some idiot farmers introduced RCD in an attempt to control the runaway feral rabbit problem about 5 years ago - of course it controlled them for a couple of years, but now they're developing immunity. As well as being free of these things, the country relies on primary industries and exports. Many of our exports are successful precisely because we can guarantee they're nasty-free. So I have no problems with lengthy quarantines if that's what it takes to stay that way. > >>Where do you live??? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Our quarantine may seem excessive but it has kept our country free from > disease. I can see a point of quarantining for a month, even two. Even three! But 6 months! Peh-lease! rabies does NOT take that long to show up, so the only reason 6 months here is mandatory is becuase this way gvmnt can earn some serious money- NOTHING to do with rabies prevention! Even Hawaian quarantine (introduced for the same reason) is only 30 days long. I have worked for American family who had their cats and dog in quarantine for 6 months. The psychological damage it has caused to them is enourmous and unfixable, being locked up in "jail" for 6 month inexcusable. I only went to visit them once with them, and cryed from the second I walked in to the second I left: the place is full of sad unhappy pets who don;t undertand why they are left in this miserable place with no love no sratches and no owners.Their cries hunt me for days. Fritz was never the same after he came out, he was like a different cat, he was miserable and angry, he started getting ill a lot and died couple of yrs later not recovere from the ordeal. Owners are certain its due to emotional suffering he endured. Other cat and a dog were a bit better but still took another 6 months to recover. > ?100 pound a night IS ridiculous. Do they provide tv's and > human food for them? Where I live prices for general cat boarding start > at ?5 a day up to ?10 max! You would be mad to put your cat somewhere that charges that much! I persnally am lucky to have great neighbours so we all look after each other's pets when on hols. Some poeple are not so lucky tho. Gee at Gee@canttellya.com wrote on12/19/04 5:21 PM: [Sad quarantine story snipped -- horrid that they keep pets, and especially cats, who would by their nature be the most traumatized, so unconscionably long.] >> £100 pound a night IS ridiculous. Do they provide tv's and >> human food for them? Where I live prices for general cat boarding start [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I persnally am lucky to have great neighbours so we all look after each > other's pets when on hols. Some poeple are not so lucky tho. That's a good arrangement to have. Probably the best. We have a pet nanny who comes and feeds, waters, takes care of the litter, as well as brings in the mail and the newspaper and waters plants. She does it for a living, and is quite responsible. As a matter of fact, she brought in our potted plants and patio furniture last summer when we were away during a severe storm -- a considerable effort beyond the call of duty. She charges us $15 US per day, which isn't bad. I've never boarded my cats. Wouldn't feel comfortable with that. I know that some people have to from time to time, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. SignatureDiana Portal To My Pages http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/r/drdrive/ >>>>Where do you live??? >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > serious money- NOTHING to do with rabies prevention! Even Hawaian quarantine > (introduced for the same reason) is only 30 days long. It's not just to protect against rabies. There are millions of other diseases in the big wide world, many of which we are still discovering. Lots of which have variable incubation periods, some of which are carried by certain species of animals without them being affected. Personally I think our quarantine is adequate in it's time scale and good at putting people off bringing home any animal they see and feel sorry for. We are a very small country and any disease could potentially spread round the entire country extremely quickly. > I have worked for American family who had their cats and dog in quarantine > for 6 months. The psychological damage it has caused to them is enourmous [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > emotional suffering he endured. Other cat and a dog were a bit better but > still took another 6 months to recover. Our dog was very upset from being put in kennels tor a week once, I't doesn't matter how long they are away from you it will still upset them. Personally I wouldn't move to a country that had quarantine rules and take my pets with me.(But then I would also not move because I love it here) It would be much kinder to find them a new home first. You would have to have an extremely good reason to bring them somewhere that meant them being locked up for 6months. Most people who do this have more money than thought for their animals. If you really loved your pet you wouldent put it through this. Animals are for life, not to be dragged round and made to suffer just because it suits you. >>£100 pound a night IS ridiculous. Do they provide tv's and >>human food for them? Where I live prices for general cat boarding start [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I persnally am lucky to have great neighbours so we all look after each > other's pets when on hols. Some poeple are not so lucky tho. So do I now. But I would still never pay £100 pound a night when we didn't. SignatureBadger Badger Badger > What should we do to keep them from destroying the cat and to get > the > cat back? > Any suggestions would be appreciated as i can't sleep at night for > feeling like someone who has deserted his best frind in a cage. Regardless of the fact that it's wrong of them to charge you, under the same conditions I would find $600.00 a small price to pay to have my best friend back home and secure with me. Dee > > What should we do to keep them from destroying the cat and to get > > the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dee That's exactly why they charge that kind of money. "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > Regardless of the fact that it's wrong of them to charge you, under the > > same conditions I would find $600.00 a small price to pay to have my best [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That's exactly why they charge that kind of money. Doug its the law.Here: read: http://www.hawaii.com/move/quarantine.html http://www.rrsc.k12.hi.us/moving/petinfo.htm http://www.hawaiidatabooks.com/bigisland/02_necessities.html 30 day legal fee is actually $655. You HAVE to pay. > "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > 30 day legal fee is actually $655. You HAVE to pay. Law or not, they've got pet owners by the short hairs, and pet owners are apparently too spineless to scream at their congresspersons. If the state wants to quarantine animals in that fashion, the state should foot the bill. Hawaii is in more danger from sniffling, sneezing tourists, some of whom have AIDS and who knows what else. Alan I don't know if this will be of any help but I put in web search Animal quarentine law in Hawaii & this is what I got. http://www.hawaiiag.org/hdoa/ai_aqs_info.htm I don't know if this will be of any help or not. Seems to me that people not only have to worry about entering a State with their pet but leaving with it too. I wish you and your wife luck in getting your pet home soon http://galaxypet.cyanne.com/ |
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