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Cathy - 05 Dec 2004 01:10 GMT Has anyone purchased Pet Health insurance? I took a cat in off the street a year ago and 6 months after we had him he was throwing up after dinner. Took him to the vet and come to find out he had intestinal carcinoma. He lived 6 more months but had to put him down this past February. After the surgery and several other vet visits I shelled out approx. $3000.00. I have two other cats and I am considering the pet insurance. Thoughts?
Thanks Cathy
Gary Stone - 05 Dec 2004 01:46 GMT > Has anyone purchased Pet Health insurance? I took a cat in off the street > a year ago and 6 months after we had him he was throwing up after dinner. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks > Cathy My goodness, 3 grand on a cat. You do love that cat. Heck, if I had the money, I'd do the same. The only thing I've seen on insurance was at http://petfinder.com. You might want to look there. I got my cats from the Humane Society and I've probably got $500.00 into vet bills and I've only had them for four months. Of course that includes spaying the two of them, shots and an injury, not to mention flea dung infection. I guess you'd have to scrutinize the cost, deductibles and so forth against what you think future bills may be. I know, I'm no help. ;-)
Stone
RobsSanta - 05 Dec 2004 02:09 GMT After my first trip to the vet with Amber and $650 later, I got the pet insurance from VPI. Her second trip about 14 months later was approx $750 of which I got back approx 80%.
It was a relief to take the catto the vet and really not have to worry about the cost of xrays etc, ok you are out of pocket initially but VPI were quick to process the claim.. approx 2 to 3 weeks.
I have both my 9 year old and 5 year old insured with them and would recommend it to anyone
Rob
> > Has anyone purchased Pet Health insurance? I took a cat in off the street > > a year ago and 6 months after we had him he was throwing up after dinner. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Stone Mike Gallery - 05 Dec 2004 06:46 GMT Hi, Cathy.
I use www.petinsurance.com as does the other poster, I believe. I pay about $18.00 a month for my 5 year old Tabby's insurance. If you look at their web page you'll see they pay for quite a large number of medical conditions. I was reimbursed $350.00 for what I recall was about a $400.00 episode with my cat.
They're good guys in my book. I wouldn't have a pet without insurance for just the reason you described. As mentioned you pay first and then get reimbursed. You can call them and ask about the specifics of coverage. There are categories of coverage that are still confusing to me. One has to do with the diagnosis and another with the treatment. I'm going to call them again and take notes this time. Anyway, I *think* that www.petinsurance.com is the only game in town.
Your rates will not go up based on your claim history. Rate increases are a function of the total number of claims made in your category or some such. It's all spelled out in the policy you'll get. I think my rates have gone up a dollar a month or so in the two or three years I've been paying.
Mike in Illinois
> Has anyone purchased Pet Health insurance? I took a cat in off the street > a year ago and 6 months after we had him he was throwing up after dinner. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks > Cathy Dave - 05 Dec 2004 10:55 GMT >I use www.petinsurance.com as does the other poster, I believe. I pay about >$18.00 a month for my 5 year old Tabby's insurance. If you look at their web >page you'll see they pay for quite a large number of medical conditions. I >was reimbursed $350.00 for what I recall was about a $400.00 episode with my >cat. $18/month will cost $216/year, or between $3240-$4320 (15-20 years) over the course of the cat's life. Do most people end up spending that much?
My understanding is that insurance doesn't typically cover spaying/neutering, and may or may not cover shots, but shots are cheap (around here, anyway)
It's not a bad idea, but it's a gamble, especially if coming up with that kind of money on demand is a problem should you need it. I'd rather use the savings account idea myself, since in the event your cat(s) never needs the medical treatment, you end up with the money in your bank rather then in the insurance company's bank.
Cathy - 05 Dec 2004 15:14 GMT There is another pet group, rec.pets.cats.health+behav, and a couple folks there mention that they set aside money each money for an emergency that might arise. That may not be a bad idea since my cats are basically healthy and the pet insurance doesn't cover routine exams and shots. Thanks to all of you for your input.
Cathy
>>I use www.petinsurance.com as does the other poster, I believe. I pay >>about [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > cat(s) never needs the medical treatment, you end up with the money in > your bank rather then in the insurance company's bank. Dave - 06 Dec 2004 03:24 GMT >There is another pet group, rec.pets.cats.health+behav, and a couple folks >there mention that they set aside money each money for an emergency that >might arise. That may not be a bad idea since my cats are basically healthy >and the pet insurance doesn't cover routine exams and shots. Thanks to all >of you for your input. Yeah, I've seen it mentioned there too as I recall. I don't do it myself, but I will once I get out of debt.
In the mean time I have a line of credit that would put pet insurance to shame so it's not like I'm risking my pets' health -- It's just cheaper for me to "invest" the money in getting out of debt since if something does come up tomorrow I can handle it. Once I get out of debt, I'll definitely be working on a pet savings fund in addition to my rainy-day fund.
This technique will scale the more pets you have, as long as you're prepared to take the risk that you'll end up with a huge bill before your saves are built up.
With insurance, you could be $72 into your insurance (4monthsx$18=$72) and get $3000 in health care out of it should something happen. However, once you reach critical mass (say $3000/pet in the bank account), you can basically stop paying into it and still have the benefit of insurance.
Dee - 10 Dec 2004 22:49 GMT > In the mean time I have a line of credit that would put pet insurance to > shame so it's not like I'm risking my pets' health -- It's just cheaper > for me to "invest" the money in getting out of debt since if something > does come up tomorrow I can handle it. I have excellent credit myself even though I'm badly in debt as well - from paying vet bills specifically.
> With insurance, you could be $72 into your insurance (4monthsx$18=$72) > and get $3000 in health care out of it should something happen. > However, once you reach critical mass (say $3000/pet in the bank > account), you can basically stop paying into it and still have the > benefit of insurance. I've paid over $15,000 out of pocket in vet bills in the past three years. Maybe I've had extraordinarily bad luck - but maybe you could too. I'll never be without pet insurance again.
Dee
Mike - 08 Dec 2004 02:33 GMT Well, Dave, that's why they call it insurance. It's a gamble. If I'm faced with some extraordinary medical expenses due to something like feline leukemia, cancer, or other serious and expensive condition this insurance takes much of the financial strain out of the mix. Vet bills here in Illinois can get quite pricey very quickly. If my knuckle headed cat tumbles down the steps and breaks a leg then I'm covered. The last time I had an emergency Isis was screwing around on the steps and conked her head. She developed epileptic symptoms and required a blood test, drugs, and treatment. The condition went away on its own. The total bill I submitted to VPI was $361.62. I was reimbursed $247.11.
I think if more people had pet insurance they wouldn't have to face the difficult question of euthanasia when faced with severe bills. To me $18.00 is a relatively insignificant amount. For that amount I get peace of mind and an enhanced ability to provide Isis with high quality medical care. Will I spend $3,000 on insured expenses over her lifetime? I don't know. But I do know that this $18.00 frees me up from making hard choices should the situation arise.
Mike in Illinois
>>I use www.petinsurance.com as does the other poster, I believe. I pay >>about [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > cat(s) never needs the medical treatment, you end up with the money in > your bank rather then in the insurance company's bank. Dave - 08 Dec 2004 12:12 GMT >Well, Dave, that's why they call it insurance. It's a gamble. If I'm faced >with some extraordinary medical expenses due to something like feline [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >know that this $18.00 frees me up from making hard choices should the >situation arise. Sure, and I covered the risk of a large charge occurring earlier rather then later. This is the reason why pet insurance isn't always a bad thing -- If you can't afford to shell out for a medical condition early in the cat's life, before your bank account has built up a balance, then you should definitely get insurance.
I'd highly recommend starting the bank account immediately even if you get insurance, then by the time the cat is 10-12 years old if you haven't had any significant health issues you can look into canceling the insurance since you'd have money in the bank by then.
The big downside to most of the pet insurance plans I looked at was simple: It invariably costs equal or more (over the course of the cat's life) then you can possibly get out of the plan in terms of benefits.
Assuming your cat lives to 18-20 years you're paying $3888-$4320 (per cat) into the plan over the course of the cat's life. Between annual and/or lifetime maximum limits (which negate the benefit of insurance in the event of a chronic condition), and the fact that some insurance plans don't cover recurring incidents of the same problem, it's virtually impossible to get more out of the insurance plan then you put in.
Moreover, if your cat lives a long and healthy life and doesn't end up using the insurance then at the end the insurance company still has your money -- If you'd invested it in a bank account, you'd have that money. In other words, your next cat is self-insured for life for free if you leave the money in the bank.
Don't get me wrong, insurance as a whole isn't a bad thing. I'm currently renting my house, my insurance (for contents and liability) is only about $432/year, or $25920/lifetime assuming I insure for 60 years (80 year lifespan, I didn't start insuring until I was 20) -- However, should an event occur, I get a payout of $60,000. In this case, saving the money isn't productive since if you ever need the insurance you can't possibly have enough in the bank.
Mike - 09 Dec 2004 04:17 GMT Yes, what you say is true. With the VPI policy I have "The payments are limited to $4,500 per accident and maximum of $14,000 for each policy term". I believe a term is 12 months in length. So, the problem of a lifetime maximum doesn't apply with this policy.
If Isis were to swallow a paper clip or whatever I would get reimbursed about $200.00 for the diagnostic work and surgery and about $70.00 for the anesthesia. That payout would cover one year's premium and more. So, a single incident like that would result in the policy paying for itself. If she had tonsillitis or any of the myriad other conditions that are covered in the benefit schedule the results would be even more favorable.
This policy covers recurring events. If Isis were to develop epilepsy I can make a claim on a relapse.
It's all about risk and reward. If I dropped something on my cat, like a suitcase or whatever <-:, I get substantial reimbursement for the injuries caused. At an annual premium of $216.00 per year, which is not a significant amount of money to me, I get an elimination of substantial expense risk. Can I afford to pay out $3,000 for medical expenses? Yes. But I'd rather have an insurance company pay that amount.
I've talked to pet owners who have gotten clobbered with big vet bills. I'm hearing that a thousand or two is not that hard to go through. If the premium costs were high, say $80.00 a month, I would rethink this. But for less than a dollar a day I enjoy peace of mind and I'm more willing to get Isis medical care. I guess it boils down to how much risk people are willing to take and how sure they are that their pets won't incur serious medical expenses. Personally, I have no way of knowing when an accident will happen or whether or not my cat will get some serious disease.
Mike in Illinois
> Sure, and I covered the risk of a large charge occurring earlier rather > then later. This is the reason why pet insurance isn't always a bad [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > the money isn't productive since if you ever need the insurance you > can't possibly have enough in the bank.
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